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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 27 @ 8:58 AM ET
Yeah, bc our Coach & OC have a track record of developing QBs?

Oh, wait...

Again, i hope I’m wrong

- jdfitz77


You quoted a post that has nothing to do with QBs.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 8:58 AM ET
Wish i had your optimism
I just don’t

And u obviously didn’t watch any of his games, did u?

- jdfitz77


You didn't watch all of his games at Wyoming, so in essence, you cherry picked what you watched, to the point that you said he lost against San Jose State, in a game he didn't even play in.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Apr 27 @ 8:59 AM ET
I expressed it last night and I’ll say it with more reasoning this morning

Allen-
Beane should get fired for picking Allen. Nice kid looks like, good family...makes one want to “pull hard” for him. Below average QB in terms of things that count, accuracy, anticipation, reading D, etc. we have JP/EJ/Trent all rolled into one with this selection...picking him at 7 was a real reach IMO. Maybe they found their backup QB for next 10 years though.
Grade = D-

Edmunds-
Fabulous pick, can say enough good things, all pro caliber player and only what 19/20. Fast, physical, can play multiple positions. Going to be a stud. Getting him at 16 is real value IMO.
Grade = A+

Beaner has 1 pick left for today out of 4. He spent lots of Capital to get those 2. LOVE the aggressiveness, I do.
However, yielding an Average Grade of B-/C+ For all that capital expended is not a favorable outcome, especially when he had the ability to come out with an A grade by picking Rosen.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 8:59 AM ET
My point, which you missed, is that he is not a bum now, and it's not certain that he will be a bum as an NFL QB, as he has massive talent.
- kingcong39


I wish u actually watched his games
Then you’d understand why I’m so negative
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 27 @ 9:00 AM ET
Wish i had your optimism
I just don’t

And u obviously didn’t watch any of his games, did u?

- jdfitz77


I watched his tape. All throws/plays for 4 games.
feetontheair22
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Tampa doesn't suck, FL
Joined: 02.01.2011

Apr 27 @ 9:00 AM ET
You quoted a post that has nothing to do with QBs.
- TheSabresTaco


I think you were referring to my comment on your Edmunds pick...which is a great pick. Hell of a player.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:02 AM ET
You didn't watch all of his games at Wyoming, so in essence, you cherry picked what you watched, to the point that you said he lost against San Jose State, in a game he didn't even play in.
- kingcong39


Didn’t know he didn’t play in that game
By then,
I had seen him play enough that i gave up on him

You didn’t watch him play at all
So at least my opinion has a basis
Which is backed up by that article

Go watch his games
Actually don’t...
you’ll lose your optimism & be bummed out like me
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 27 @ 9:02 AM ET
You said, and I quote "If the Bills pick Josh Allen, I'm done"

Define "done"

- TheSabresTaco


Pretty sure half the bills fan were "done" but it's your team and you have to live with it
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:03 AM ET
I wish u actually watched his games
Then you’d understand why I’m so negative

- jdfitz77


I trust the person who watched every single one of his games at Wyoming over you, as you did not watch all of his game the past 2 years.
Khmylev
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'll take some olives on my pizza!, NY
Joined: 03.13.2015

Apr 27 @ 9:04 AM ET
Are we good yet? (apply this to any team you wish)
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Apr 27 @ 9:04 AM ET
I watched his tape. All throws/plays for 4 games.
- TheSabresTaco

Nobody and I mean nobody watches as many games as Fitz. Even if they weren't on TV he watched them. He should be in a Dos Equis commercial.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 27 @ 9:06 AM ET
I think you were referring to my comment on your Edmunds pick...which is a great pick. Hell of a player.
- feetontheair22


Yes. Very excited to see him out there. Needs to be coached, but his ceiling is pro bowl.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:06 AM ET
Pretty sure half the bills fan were "done" but it's your team and you have to live with it
- gerbe75pts


For you sir, as I saw this last night.

Top Wonderlic scores from the NFL draft combine:

Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29

If Rosen is a genius, what does that make Allen?
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Apr 27 @ 9:06 AM ET
Didn’t know he didn’t play in that game
By then,
I had seen him play enough that i gave up on him

You didn’t watch him play at all
So at least my opinion has a basis
Which is backed up by that article

Go watch his games
Actually don’t...
you’ll lose your optimism & be bummed out like me

- jdfitz77

Uh oh, story's changin
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 27 @ 9:07 AM ET
I trust the person who watched every single one of his games at Wyoming over you, as you did not watch all of his game the past 2 years.
- kingcong39


Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo
And that CJ Spiller pick etc etc

I'm not as mad as I was yesterday but every time the easiest decision comes for the front office even the fans know the right move

Hopefully this guy becomes next Brett Favre
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:07 AM ET
Uh oh, story's changin
- Hatboro_Swords


I don't begrudge anybody their opinion, but I don't understand that opinion being set in stone. I think it's part of a need to be right when forming a thought without being open to the possibility that thought may be wrong.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:08 AM ET
Bills drafted Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo
And that CJ Spiller pick etc etc

I'm not as mad as I was yesterday but every time the easiest decision comes for the front office even the fans know the right move

Hopefully this guy becomes next Brett Favre

- gerbe75pts


I wasn't talking about the Bills staff with that comment.

I was referencing my friend who did the video I posted on a prior page here as he watched the game film of every single Wyoming game the past 2 years, including the San Jose State game where Allen was out with an injury.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Apr 27 @ 9:09 AM ET
Side note on the draft last night - it was really interesting to see people on twitter having trades/picks several minutes before they were made. I'd give my left arm to see what actually goes on behind the scenes.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 27 @ 9:09 AM ET
For you sir, as I saw this last night.

Top Wonderlic scores from the NFL draft combine:

Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29

If Rosen is a genius, what does that make Allen?

- kingcong39


The Wonderlic Test is pretty stupid some of those questions you have literally need to know in 30 seconds or you're screwed you can't use a piece of paper because that's a waste of time so some of those answers are probably guesses

We all should do it and I would like to know everyone scores
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 27 @ 9:11 AM ET
I wasn't talking about the Bills staff with that comment.

I was referencing my friend who did the video I posted on a prior page here as he watched the game film of every single Wyoming game the past 2 years, including the San Jose State game where Allen was out with an injury.

- kingcong39


My apologies..

It feels like I have a hangover right now and I don't drink lol

It just feels like we made the wrong decision passing on Rosen

But I'm willing to move on it's going to take some time though
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 27 @ 9:12 AM ET
What do u mean?
We totally fixed Tyrod & EJs accuracy issues

Oh, wait...

- jdfitz77

1. wyoming did not run an offense with dump offs

2. jim kelly had a similar completion % in college

3. the wr's had many drops and issues running the wrong routes at wyoming, documented

4. the kid can make all the pro throws

I think it's time everyone takes a step back


they did so much research on these qb's and at the end, they did not want to pay the price to get darnold or mayfield and wanted allen over rosen


it's that simple
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 27 @ 9:14 AM ET
Doubt it
Read the article i posted

Also...
did u actually watch him play?
Every decent team he played against,
he lost to
And scored no more than 14pts

Led Wyoming to a 4th place finish in the Mountain West
Not like he was going against Alabama or Auburn

- jdfitz77

he had walk on cuts at wr vs the other team having pro prospects at wr

I know it's a hard pill to swallow but it's kind of like comparing the wr's at barker high school to the wr's at UB


big gap
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:14 AM ET
The Wonderlic Test is pretty stupid some of those questions you have literally need to know in 30 seconds or you're screwed you can't use a piece of paper because that's a waste of time so some of those answers are probably guesses

We all should do it and I would like to know everyone scores

- gerbe75pts


It may be dumb, as you put it, but he still outscored the genius by quite a bit.

Perhaps Allen will actually be good.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:15 AM ET
My apologies..

It feels like I have a hangover right now and I don't drink lol

It just feels like we made the wrong decision passing on Rosen

But I'm willing to move on it's going to take some time though

- gerbe75pts


Just trying to share that there is hope to all those doom and gloom types, as in the end, we all want the Bills to be good.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 27 @ 9:16 AM ET
1. wyoming did not run an offense with dump offs

2. jim kelly had a similar completion % in college

3. the wr's had many drops and issues running the wrong routes at wyoming, documented

4. the kid can make all the pro throws

I think it's time everyone takes a step back

they did so much research on these qb's and at the end, they did not want to pay the price to get darnold or mayfield and wanted allen over rosen

it's that simple

- homiedclown


This, as they say.

Homie, it's like you watched that video I posted as the video creator pointed out all the things you did, and much more.

The Wyoming WR's were hardly ever open, and definitely never like the WR's and how often they were open for Baker in that offense.
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