I honestly don't know how the Hawks will ever replace Hartsy's 10 goals and 40 dumb penalty minutes.

Hawks got a futures deal here. They traded a bottom 6 winger with propensity for dumb penalties. The prospect is doing quite well in the Swedish elite league and the extra first gives the team another shot at another prospect or a potential to trade up in the draft.

To get a chance at Dahlin or Tkachuk (sp) I'd move Hartman in a NY minute.
- kwolf68

How about the 80 minutes of penalties drawn? I know, useless since Q doesn’t believe in successfully power plays.

Unless you’re ready to declare the Toews/Kane era over,then they don’t need futures, they need nows. If we are building for 3-5 years down the road, then it’s time to have the trade the bopsy twins talk.

Hayden, Murphy can still put a hurt on.
- JRoenick97

When not in Q's doghouse.

When not in Q's doghouse.
- 67hawks

I think he liked Hayden, but yeah, Muprh gets the short end of the stick.

Add to #4
especially when we keep giving those young pieces away
- 67hawks

You choose: Hartman or Queeneville.

Don't throw up this "giving young players away" crap.

Half story journalism sucks.

Yes I agree we lost TT, Danault, now Hartman. There were reasons why. Winning three Cups cannot be brushed aside. NEITHER CAN SOME POOR MOVES BY BOWMAN.

I do not try to be a Bowman apologist. Let's be brutally frank. You, myself, anyone on this board in Stan's shoes - ok, other GM's as well - would have made all the right moves? Would have been able to sign and have happy campers with each core player how much less could have got it done. Really. You sure about that amount?

And we would not have traded one core player, right?

Sure Stan swung and missed, gambled on some trades, and lost. Ok, then crucify him over it. Too many bad moves. I tend to agree. But with one move.....the Sharp trade....he moved him and his big contract just as Sharp was beginning to decline Declining brought about also due to some tough injuries.

Johns may never bee more than a descent third pair, sort of weak second pair. He has concussion history before he even made the NHL. I hated to loose him, but I can see Stan didn't have Johns pegged exactly as a Seabrook replacement. Right!

Now I believe that we will more likely than not see both Bowman and Q return. At least Bowman will. I just hope he realizes he needs more toughness throughout lineup than what he survived with in last two Cups. More like 2010 squad with Big Buff, Eager, Bourque, and I am leaving out a couple I need to go check all the named. Burrish too.

I just do not like your throwing a comment and leaving it to sound like we just handed them away for practicly free.

I will expound just to the extent that I think Q is stale and the head coach or GM has to answer for the atrocious PP over the years. Hartman is a problem child- or so it seems he border on that. He will probably flourish in Nashville because he will be given a role. He pouts, then he will be punished like kids with time out or banished to the bedroom (Hartman to press box and or farm team. Message is shape up or ship out).

If the trade is as terrific for the Hawks as many think then Poile who is no fool must have wanted Hartman pretty badly. Reasons?
- Savoy

1. Preds pick will be 27-31; essentially a 2nd round pick...no great loss for them; their roster is set at forward for the next 2-3 years

2. willing to look past this dumpster year for hartman; and figure he is 23 and his production will be somewhere between this year and last year if not higher..

3. they have fisher and hartnell as UFA and neither will be back; hartman is nice young replacement

4. preds are deep at center for the next 2-3 years; the big swede center was expendable..

5. hartman will find a nice niche in the preds structure with a 3rd line and maybe 2nd line role; Q screwing around with him at center and up and down the lines didn't help hartman

How about the 80 minutes of penalties drawn? I know, useless since Q doesn’t believe in successfully power plays.

Unless you’re ready to declare the Toews/Kane era over,then they don’t need futures, they need nows. If we are building for 3-5 years down the road, then it’s time to have the trade the bopsy twins talk.
- Ogilthorpe2

The Toews/Kane era of championships is over, but we have 6 more years with 19 whether we like it or not.

Jokiharju was a late 1st round pick and he is already the Hawks #1 prospect and may crack the NHL (at least on a tryout basis) next season. It's a good trade as far as return for what Hartman has done this year....my only gripe is that it's Nashville and makes the Hawks an even softer team.
- EnzoD

Enzo - Hartman is too dumb to be “gritty”. He didn’t just take penalties he took incredibly stupid, untimely penalties which is actually playing soft. He never learned from his mistakes either and played arrogantly. I started out as a fan but he lost me. Let him go mess up in Nashville.

Hayden, Murphy can still put a hurt on.
- JRoenick97

Haha....that's 2 guys.....and Q sits Murphy way too much.....probably because he hits.

Your argument is silly. Bowman is a pretty astute NHL GM too. To say a guy is good because a GM likes him is silly. Lots of GMs like lots of players. Some bad, some good. There's a lot more at play that just "oh, they think he's good." Of course they do, that's why they gave up their first and a prospect for him.
- JRoenick97

Who said the guy is good or not good? I said I would like to know Poile's viewpoint on this trade. Why such a 'large return' to the Hawks..... assuming it turns out to be such a large return. I have a different opinion of our GM.

1. Preds pick will be 27-31; essentially a 2nd round pick...no great loss for them; their roster is set at forward for the next 2-3 years

2. willing to look past this dumpster year for hartman; and figure he is 23 and his production will be somewhere between this year and last year if not higher..

3. they have fisher and hartnell as UFA and neither will be back; hartman is nice young replacement

4. preds are deep at center for the next 2-3 years; the big swede center was expendable..

5. hartman will find a nice niche in the preds structure with a 3rd line and maybe 2nd line role; Q screwing around with him at center and up and down the lines didn't help hartman
- bogiedoc

I agree with you especially Q screwing around with him didn't help.

The Toews/Kane era of championships is over, but we have 6 more years with 19 whether we like it or not.
- EnzoD

If you truly believe that, then there is no point to anything this does the next 6 years

Not your youngest players
- 67hawks

But your youngest and dumbest, all day long

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Hornqvist extension in PIT is expected to be for five years with an AAV of $5.3M:

Yikes. Discuss?

Wish there was a way we could find out how many of Hartman's bad penalties lead to goals against compared to goals scored because of bad penalties teams committed against Hartman . Hard to judge since the PP socked. Players like Hartman will always take dumb penalties especially when they are young. Marchand, Shaw, Clutter buck ect all have had problems with this. Not comparing Hartman to any of them.

I agree with you especially Q screwing around with him didn't help.
- Savoy

A frequent topic on this board is Q doesn't like this guy or that guy or it seems like several guys and doesn't necessarily play these guys to their strengths.

Yikes. Discuss?
- Slofire94

How does Pitt find ways to get all these guys under the cap

Yikes. Discuss?
- Slofire94

Boy that Anisimov contact looks better and better, 32 year old gets that kind of a deal?

Wish there was a way we could find out how many of Hartman's bad penalties lead to goals against compared to goals scored because of bad penalties teams committed against Hartman . Hard to judge since the PP socked. Players like Hartman will always take dumb penalties especially when they are young. Marchand, Shaw, Clutter buck ect all have had problems with this. Not comparing Hartman to any of them.
- HamiltonHawk

He was plus 5 in +/- which was second highest on the team but that doesn't really answer your question.

How does Pitt find ways to get all these guys under the cap
- HamiltonHawk

Ask Bowman.....oh wait, don't ask Bowman.

Um so some of the Hartman issues may be what he was asking for salary wise. Id suspect the hawks were coming into the 1.7 range over 2 years while he probably wanted more like 2.5 and then lost his mind about ice time and Q and all that jazz.

Meh. Should be interesting to see what he resigns for. The late first is solid since they don't have a 2nd round pick this year and turning a 5th into a 4th is also nice.

Really not a terrible deal.

Um so some of the Hartman issues may be what he was asking for salary wise. Id suspect the hawks were coming into the 1.7 range over 2 years while he probably wanted more like 2.5 and then lost his mind about ice time and Q and all that jazz.

Meh. Should be interesting to see what he resigns for. The late first is solid since they don't have a 2nd round pick this year and turning a 5th into a 4th is also nice.

Really not a terrible deal.
- fattybeef

And a big Swede who can massage players between periods

How does Pitt find ways to get all these guys under the cap
- HamiltonHawk

Because people here ignore the 6yrs it took them to rebuild.

The cap needed to climb for Malkin and Crosby's cap hit to level out. And they still play at a high level.

Kane may still play at a high level in 2-3 more year. Not sure about 19.

Because people here ignore the 6yrs it took them to rebuild.

The cap needed to climb for Malkin and Crosby's cap hit to level out. And they still play at a high level.

Kane may still play at a high level in 2-3 more year. Not sure about 19.
- PatShart

They also never missed the playoffs during that time.
Something we're about to do

Because people here ignore the 6yrs it took them to rebuild.

The cap needed to climb for Malkin and Crosby's cap hit to level out. And they still play at a high level.

Kane may still play at a high level in 2-3 more year. Not sure about 19.
- PatShart

Bowman reiterated that the only people who did what was expected of them were the young kids and said, specifically, that that veterans who used to play at a higher level have to figure out how to get back to that level.

Now, how some of them actually do that is a big question.

And a big Swede who can massage players between periods
- BetweenTheDots

We’ll be lucky if the big Swede Turns into a Kampf 2.0