You have to give to get.
For whatever reasons it was not working out for Hartman Chicago.
Does he have a attitude problem or entitlement issues? Who knows? Maybe.
Bottom line we got a good haul for a player who had not delivered as expected.
Yes he may have an upside but he has yet to prove that on any consistent level.
And if yes he has character issues or is hard to manage then yes it was a good trade. The result of the trade will be determined on how well we draft and what the team needs to be succesful again. I would say we need more grit especially with Hartman gone but Im sure that can be found .... lets remember it's not like we traded P. Kane. ....overall I think a good trade for the Hawks.
- Hawkster

Sounds like the Hawks got an Swedish version of Anisimov back in the trade and grabbing a 1st round pick for a guy who has been healthy scratched often would typically be a home run move. This is a good move for Bowman, it would be a great move if it didn't involve a division rival. I feel like I am the only one seeing the irony here of Bowman making huge reactionary moves to the Predators being more physical and aggressive than the Hawks in Round 1 last year and less than one year later Bowman gives the Preds the most physical/aggressive player they have in the Top 9.


Good return for what Hartman has done this year, but the Hawks players are not happy he's in the division, I'm willing to bet on that. They know what kind of player Hartman is to play against. Hawks just got a lot softer and this big Swede seems like a finesse scorer with slow feet based on the scouting report posted here. Time will tell, but Nashville and Winnipeg would be an awesome playoff series to watch. Stasny to the Jets.....wow!

There still has to be a market for depth d-men. Kempny was able to net the ‘Hawks a 3rd, so I’m hopeful that Rutta (assuming he isn’t in the fold next season) still gets moved for a 2nd (or a pair of thirds).

Got to move AA’s contract now. Whatever his value is today I don’t see it getting better after the season is over.
- Z3Hawk

It takes 2 to tango. Got to have a partner, can't just make trades to make trades. The CBJ offer for him was insulting. Are you suggesting we should have agreed to that pile of garbage?

Good point. It's par for the course, trade a guy, bash his character or he sucked anyway.

Hartman is a good player with some nice upside, plays hard and tough, it wasn't easy to see him moved. But the Hawks got some good value for him.
- kwolf68

I"ll say. One goal in the last 23 games gets a 1st rounder. At that rate of production, just think what Saad and Toews would get the Hawks in return.

It takes 2 to tango. Got to have a partner, can't just make trades to make trades. The CBJ offer for him was insulting. Are you suggesting we should have agreed to that pile of garbage?
- John McDonough

Yes...so then there can be more "Stan got fleeced by only getting a 3rd for him"

Toughness along the boards: I didn’t see Hartman as a particularly good strummer getting the puck.

Toughness at the net: I didn’t see Hartman as particularly adept at getting to the net or getting into good position there.

I didn’t see Hartman as much more than “just a guy” - you said previously “almost 20 goals last year” - well almost 10 this year.

Maybe he turns into a 25-50 skater that I’ll be sorry is gone.

But for now - I would have been fine if he stayed - I’m fine that he’s gone for the potential that is coming back.
- StLBravesFan

he disappeared for long stretches....not really great at the net or puck possession...as aI said earlier Q messed with him; he didn't know his role; played up and down the line-up even at center where he is not very good...my guess hartman is jumping for joy going to the preds; a deep team where his role get defined

I'm shocked to discover that everyone thought Hartman was this un-tradable physical presence who had potential of being a 20-30 goal scorer.

I think the trade was a great move. Hartman hasn't been the same dude for a couple years now.

He was a ghost most of last year and this year.

What am I missing here, fellas?

Bracing for our two trolls to make an appearance...

I hate to see Hartman go but Stan got a really solid return. Plus I don't think you can fully judge this trade in isolation.
- DarthKane

That it is true. I think what factors in...

1) Hartman RFA (and money is always tight), do they many want to use cap space on a C (they tried to fit Hartman into the C role)
2) Is Hartman replaceable with other guys up and coming? (Hayden maybe?)
3) Would Hartman advance past 3rd line ability (which seemed to be his ceiling so far)

Hartman wasn't a bad player but for me I was fairly disappointed in his season so far. I had higher expectations for him to make a bigger impact.

Justin can you elaborate since he's been traded. Was it attitude or was it chemistry within the locker room
- BGKarras

Just heard he was "difficult" at times and then the talk surfaced this past week about he and Q not getting along.

The writing appeared to be on the wall.

We all see it the NHL. Teams are direct reflections of the HC in terms of on ice play. Hitchcock teams are bastards and tough to play against. So at this stage we say that Q prolly has the mindset of we dont hit and scrap. As much as I hate the Preds, they are the perfect mix of skill and nasty/edge.

We need to get there. The Preds and the Blues the year prior imposed their will and it appeared the Hawks wilted. We did okay against the Blues, but against the Preds we just looked done. Does Q see that he needs that change? Im not saying run around like idiots trying to hit someone, but we see it all the time where a Hawks player has someone lined up and pulls up.

Q had bruising teams in St. Louis and later with the Avs. Not so much here. With the decline in overall skill with 19, 2 and 7 we need to change things up a bit to help out.
- z1990z

I'm not so sure we need to get there. We won 3 cups laying the same system we do now (just to a much higher level). I don't think we can get caught up with style of play. Every year there are teams like the Preds/Blues/Jets ("heavy"), that do well, as well as the Bolts/Hawks/Pens that play a speed/puck possession game.

On the Swede we got:

He led the Swedish Allvenskan in points (57) during the 2016-17 season in 50 games with Bofors IK, and was named the league's MVP. He also had four goals and three assists in 10 playoff games.

Ejdsell continued his development in the Swedish Hockey League, where he has 30 points (17 goals, 13 assists) in 44 games with HV71 this season.

I don't know about the rest of you but the trade tells me that Bowman and Q are more on the same page than many believe.

That it is true. I think what factors in...

1) Hartman RFA (and money is always tight), do they many want to use cap space on a C (they tried to fit Hartman into the C role)
2) Is Hartman replaceable with other guys up and coming? (Hayden maybe?)
3) Would Hartman advance past 3rd line ability (which seemed to be his ceiling so far)

Hartman wasn't a bad player but for me I was fairly disappointed in his season so far. I had higher expectations for him to make a bigger impact.
- breadbag

Hayden can take Hartman's role. Get Hayden back up and get him on one of the PP units. I would love a 2 man at the net set up with 40 and 15 parked in front of the crease.

Allows the Hawks to flip/add to a package a 1st round pick at draft time. Not too shabby.

I"ll say. One goal in the last 23 games gets a 1st rounder. At that rate of production, just think what Saad and Toews would get the Hawks in return.
- RickJ

Yea. Don't get me wrong I like Hartman, but Bowman added a young, big center, a first in a deep draft that will allow him to move up, or just keep the pick and take another shot. The 4 for a 5 in retrospect is a nothingburger, because the Preds will be picking low 4, Hawks high 5 so not much gained on that one.

Yes...so then there can be more "Stan got fleeced by only getting a 3rd for him"
- PatShart

That it is true. I think what factors in...

1) Hartman RFA (and money is always tight), do they many want to use cap space on a C (they tried to fit Hartman into the C role)
2) Is Hartman replaceable with other guys up and coming? (Hayden maybe?)
3) Would Hartman advance past 3rd line ability (which seemed to be his ceiling so far)

Hartman wasn't a bad player but for me I was fairly disappointed in his season so far. I had higher expectations for him to make a bigger impact.
- breadbag

I don't think money would have been an issue with Hartman, there must be something else. Hartman will be an effective 3rd liner who can temporarily fill in the top 6 when required. The return is fair but given the choice I would have rather kept Hartman.

We'll have to wait and see how the team looks after Stan is done. Hayden could replace Hartman, but that's not guaranteed. Will Stan use the extra 1st round pick to move up in the draft?

he disappeared for long stretches....not really great at the net or puck possession...as aI said earlier Q messed with him; he didn't know his role; played up and down the line-up even at center where he is not very good...my guess hartman is jumping for joy going to the preds; a deep team where his role get defined
- bogiedoc

Me thinks Q and Bowman believe he's got talent, but the acumen not so much

That it is true. I think what factors in...

1) Hartman RFA (and money is always tight), do they many want to use cap space on a C (they tried to fit Hartman into the C role)
2) Is Hartman replaceable with other guys up and coming? (Hayden maybe?)
3) Would Hartman advance past 3rd line ability (which seemed to be his ceiling so far)

Hartman wasn't a bad player but for me I was fairly disappointed in his season so far. I had higher expectations for him to make a bigger impact.
- breadbag

It'll be interesting to see what he does in Nashville. Was this year just a sophomore slump? Was it his relationship with Q? Or maybe he has reached his ceiling? I wish him well. He seems like a bottom six player though, and the team has other options there. Another first round pick, even a late one, sounds good for a deep draft.

Because the Hawks gained more cap space in this deal (just under $5M now) does this mean a cap dump deal is forthcoming our way for maybe yet another draft pick?
- 67hawks

With about 5.8 million available, you would have to think the Hawks could eat a pretty nasty UFA contract. Crawford's 6 million LTIR'ed would also be a nice bit of room. Moreover, they have 4 contracts available.

Get it done, Stan! The Leauge's garbage isn't going to eat itself!

How is it that a punk 2nd year pro thinks he knows more about the game than the HOF, 2nd winningest coach in NHL history.

If I was a draftee of the Blackhawks, I’d listen closely and do exactly what Coach Q told me to do. Like not high sticking guys behind the play while my team has a 2 on 1.
- scottak

There could be a lot of context there that we'll never know. Not meaning anything negative about Hartman, but we don't know what his willingness was in working with coaches or taking their feedback to improve. It is entirely possible that his attitude was a factor. Tough to know the full story, but the trade is done. Time to just look forward to see what is next.

Sounds like the Hawks got an Swedish version of Anisimov back in the trade and grabbing a 1st round pick for a guy who has been healthy scratched often would typically be a home run move. This is a good move for Bowman, it would be a great move if it didn't involve a division rival. I feel like I am the only one seeing the irony here of Bowman making huge reactionary moves to the Predators being more physical and aggressive than the Hawks in Round 1 last year and less than one year later Bowman gives the Preds the most physical/aggressive player they have in the Top 9.


Good return for what Hartman has done this year, but the Hawks players are not happy he's in the division, I'm willing to bet on that. They know what kind of player Hartman is to play against. Hawks just got a lot softer and this big Swede seems like a finesse scorer with slow feet based on the scouting report posted here. Time will tell, but Nashville and Winnipeg would be an awesome playoff series to watch. Stasny to the Jets.....wow!
- EnzoD

Ideally you’d like to ship everyone East but you have to take the best deal whether in your Division or not. Hartman is such a pain in the butt that it might strategic to send him somewhere in the Division. Sure he will drive his new Coach crazy and take loads of stupid penalties especially when playing the Hawks - ha!

Too bad The Hawks don't play the Preds again this year, I'd love to see Hartman drill A couple of guys like DeBrincat or Schmaltz or?? And then skate by the bench laughing at Q while his team does nothing.

Well, Stan, maybe it is time to do something with the coach. How many players get shipped out before that happens?
- 67hawks

So, you want to get rid of the guy who’s won 800ish NHL games? 2nd in league history? Good solution! I’d rather get more players who know WTF they are doing. Hartman has massively underperformed since he’s been here.