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nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 11 @ 8:27 PM ET
With a net worth lower than me, the guy bought the New York Islanders. All he needed was some smooth talk and a very large set of brass ones.
- JohnScammo


Fixed
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 11 @ 8:30 PM ET
He had a Twitter account with a bio that said something about learning how to get up after you fall down...and then I think he went back to jail again for another scam.
- UIF



He was convicted 2 or 3 times for various crimes after He was released from jail over The Islanders fraud case. some people never learn
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Blackest Box on Hockeybuzz
Joined: 06.26.2006

Oct 11 @ 8:32 PM ET
I put a lot of effort into that I'll have you know.
- Cptmjl

JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 11 @ 8:37 PM ET
Fixed
- nyisles7

Meant to say, "With a net worth lower than an Uber driver....."
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 11 @ 9:41 PM ET
Meant to say, "With a net worth lower than an Uber driver....."
- JohnScammo



Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Oct 11 @ 10:13 PM ET
Leafs won but their d is terrible dontsee them winning till thats fixed and hopefully its not. Be nice if the isles ever played again
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Oct 11 @ 10:36 PM ET
Leafs won but their d is terrible dontsee them winning till thats fixed and hopefully its not. Be nice if the isles ever played again
- Upstate_isles


JT will only make the D worse. You still need D to win. JT was not a big need for the Leafs at all.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Oct 11 @ 11:08 PM ET
Come on, is 10 minutes really that long to make sure they got it right?
- mdw7413


I hate the goal reviews for offsides. Maybe if it's a goal right off the rush, but once they've been in the zone for a while, then I say just let them play rather than sucking the life out of the game...(frank) accuracy
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Oct 11 @ 11:10 PM ET
Leafs won but their d is terrible dontsee them winning till thats fixed and hopefully its not. Be nice if the isles ever played again
- Upstate_isles


I keep saying that, but they keep winning. It's gotta cool down at some point, but damn...if they give up four, they score five. If they give up six, they score seven. No one can stop that line.
21peter
Season Ticket Holder
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.18.2014

Oct 11 @ 11:15 PM ET
Oh I RT'ed Staple without realizing that Aivis was the one that said that. I'm pretty sure that dude is just Russian-speaking Eklund
- eichiefs9

I just wish that I would 'run into you' one day. Don't worry, I'll let you know. You're just not gonna learn how to behave until... whatever
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Oct 11 @ 11:17 PM ET
I keep saying that, but they keep winning. It's gotta cool down at some point, but damn...if they give up four, they score five. If they give up six, they score seven. No one can stop that line.
- UIF

Dont think it will work long term but who knows. Playoffs are always tighter and harder to score you need to play d
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Oct 11 @ 11:46 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]

Yep! It's one thing to do it during the regular season. Playoff competition is much better.
cdn_Isles_fan
New York Islanders
Location: ottawa, ON
Joined: 11.20.2015

Oct 12 @ 12:41 AM ET
WTF ??? You guys are killing me 😂😂😂 ! I wish I had the money to make this into a weekly live tv show
I'd...we'd make hundreds of dollars
Enough to pay MM 12 year contract
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Oct 12 @ 7:53 AM ET
Ledecky is saying they will break ground for the new arena in May,

https://www.newsday.com/s...-belmont-arena-1.21836027
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Oct 12 @ 7:56 AM ET
Ledecky is saying they will break ground in May,

https://www.newsday.com/s...-belmont-arena-1.21836027

- JimmyP



That's great news......the sooner the better. They'll basically be done in 2 years, although I thought it was originally said this would take 3 years?
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Oct 12 @ 8:14 AM ET
That's great news......the sooner the better. They'll basically be done in 2 years, although I thought it was originally said this would take 3 years?
- kindlyrick

2021 he said
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Oct 12 @ 9:28 AM ET
2021 he said
- Upstate_isles


ahhhh makes more sense
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Oct 12 @ 10:35 AM ET
Sharks lost to the Rangers.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Oct 12 @ 10:37 AM ET

Arthur Staple
‏Verified account @StapeAthletic
3m3 minutes ago

No Cizikas at #Isles practice today.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: In Lou we bust, NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Oct 12 @ 11:05 AM ET
Here's some light reading. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic made a list of his top-100 AHL prospects from last season based on his performance. First, the primer...then the Islanders and I copy and pasted the Islanders prospects, their ranking, and the write-up.

I’ve​ always been​ interested in​ the development process that turns​ teenage​ hockey players into NHLers, and​ for​ most​ of​​ them the road to major-league employment runs through the AHL.

According to the 2018-19 AHL Guide & Record Book, 229 first- or second-round draft picks played in the AHL last season, while 87 percent of NHL skaters were graduates of AHL development. That’s skewed a little bit by various NHL lockouts — the publication prominently mentions Hart winner Taylor Hall and Lady Byng winner William Karlsson as AHL alumni, but one of those cases is very much not like the other.

Nevertheless, a fan of the game interested in identifying NHL up-and-comers could do a lot worse than look at the AHL’s most productive prospects from a year ago.

That’s what this is: one man’s list of the top-100 NHL prospects who played in the minors last season. If you’d like to skip ahead to the players, this is a good chance to do that; if you’d like to read more about the process carry on.

Any such list should lean on both math and personal viewings, and if there’s a drawback to this one it’s that it’s mostly based on the numbers. That can be both weakness and strength, of course. It’s easy to get attached to prospects and we all have personal stylistic biases, so there’s value in having an impartial measuring stick, one based on what past prospects have done and our knowledge of how their subsequent careers turned out.

At the same time, there’s no replacement for actually watching these guys play. I’ve leaned heavily on the work of Corey Pronman, Scott Wheeler and others here to try and fill in the blanks, with the result that this is a better list than it would otherwise be, though any wild misjudgments below are mine alone.

To qualify for the list, a player had to a) appear in at least 20 AHL games last season and b) play more AHL hockey than NHL hockey. Lawson Crouse counts, despite spending 2016-17 in the NHL; Kasperi Kapanen does not.

To figure out the numbers here, I looked at every AHLer under the age of 25 who played at least 20 games in a season between 2005 and 2011. Mostly scoring was most predictive of future success for skaters (even for defencemen) and save percentage for goalies. I made a couple of tweaks to those numbers based on the data; for example, taking out even-strength secondary assists seems to be particularly helpful for defencemen, and including a games-played modifier appears to reduce the amount of witchcraft necessary to evaluate goalies.

The most important adjustment was including an aging curve.

There was an argument in the Toronto media a few years ago about the predictive value of AHL scoring, and one of the debaters pointed to 25-year-old Byron Froese, who at the time was a point-per-game player, as an example of why AHL numbers don’t really matter. What that specific argument missed was age: Froese was a high-level AHLer at 25, but when he was a 20-year-old AHL rookie he had just 10 points in 57 games.

This is all common sense stuff, but even someone who follows the AHL for a long time may not realize how quickly the aging curve changes outcomes.

Consider this: historically, a forward who scores at a point-per-game rate in the AHL at age 20 has about a 50/50 shot at a career as an NHL middle-six forward. A player who does it at 22 has about a 50/50 shot at a couple of years on an NHL fourth line. Do it at 23 and the odds are that you’ll never play a full season in the majors.

For the top 50 players below, I’ve included what the model sees as an average outcome for a player that age and with those scoring totals. This is somewhat subjective, and in a few cases the range of outcomes can vary widely (i.e. a “second-line forward” might mean a 30 per cent chance at being a star and an equal chance of being a total bust) but hopefully provides a useful line in the sand.

All of these are generalizations, of course, and the exceptions make great stories.

Bryan Bickell was a perfectly unremarkable AHLer at age 22 and 23, but at 24 he had 37 points in the NHL. At 26 he was the second-leading playoff scorer for the Stanley Cup champion Chicago Blackhawks.

Nikita Filatov was a wonderful AHLer at 18. By 22 he had played his way not only out of the NHL, but also out of the future plans of NHL teams generally, and for good reason.


7. LD Sebastian Aho, New York Islanders
(No, not that one, the other one. And I thought Eriks Gustafsson were annoying.)

The model: No. 3/4 defenceman. Aho scored a lot like Mark Giordano at the same age last season, but also Steven Kampfer and Cam Barker and Jonathon Blum, so the results here aren’t unambiguously good. Nevertheless, his AHL results are in the upper tier for 21-year-old defencemen.

Other considerations: Aho’s barely Calder-eligible, having snuck into 22 NHL games last season (and playing impressively tough minutes with Adam Pelech). He also had a great age-20 season in Sweden before coming to North America, so we’re looking at results in three leagues that say he’s probably a player.

Bottom line: Lots of good arrows here, though it’s probably a good idea not to weigh his NHL cameo too heavily just yet – lots of 21-year-old defencemen bound for unremarkable careers manage to sneak on to bad teams for 20-odd games.

22. LD Devon Toews, New York Islanders
The model: No. 6 defenceman. Defencemen can get away with a slower development curve than forwards, because more good defenders are still stuck in the AHL at age 23. Toews’ scoring from last season puts him between Alec Martinez and Brett Lebda at the same age, both of whom would go on to major-league careers.

Other considerations: Pronman gives Toews high marks for his skating and brains, and with a listed size of 6-foot-1 and 191 pounds he doesn’t have some of the size disadvantages we often associate with puck-moving AHLers. He’s produced at every level, from the BCHL to the college ranks to his rookie AHL season in 2016-17, and looked good in camp this fall.

Bottom line: He’s proved all he can at the minor-league level.


30. LD Mitchell Vande Sompel, New York Islanders
The model: No. 5/6 defenceman. I know, I know, it gets boring hearing me say how much the model likes young defenders who can score. Vande Sompel, as a 20-year-old, scored a point every other game for Bridgeport last year and that’s a splendid debut. Alex Edler and Keith Yandle had similar numbers at the same age, though so did Jonathon Blum and Joel Chouinard, so the plausible outcome range is wide.

Other considerations: A 5-foot-10 defenceman can help his chances considerably if he’s intelligent and mobile, and as it happens Vande Sompel meets those criteria.

“I think he’s the kind of guy who will find a way to make it,” writes Pronman. “He’s very smart and a very good skater.”

Vande Sompel was also an exceptional OHL scorer for his entire career, save for a single post-trade late season stint with the London Knights.

Bottom line: He’s a real prospect despite his size disadvantage.


56. LD Parker Wotherspoon, New York Islanders. On a numbers basis, Wotherspoon marches in lockstep with Jones—similar draft position, similar WHL production, similar rookie offence. Wotherspoon’s scouting report isn’t quite as rosy, but he had some pretty tough competition for minutes in Bridgeport last season.


77. RW Joshua Ho-Sang, New York Islanders. Forget about the noise here and look at his production. When Ho-Sang was drafted in 2014, he’d scored 1.27 points per game in the OHL; two years later when he graduated to pro his total was 1.24. His numbers actually declined in the AHL last year. He’s scored during NHL recalls, which is a fantastic sign and the one thing here that suggests we should look past his offensive stagnation at other levels.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: You're exactly the problem with trying to have a conversation on here. - Tanner
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 12 @ 11:16 AM ET
Sharks lost to the Rangers.
- ses111


Last night started our run for the cup!

nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 12 @ 11:26 AM ET
WTF ??? You guys are killing me 😂😂😂 ! I wish I had the money to make this into a weekly live tv show
I'd...we'd make hundreds of dollars
Enough to pay MM 12 year contract

- cdn_Isles_fan


15 years

Where have you been hiding cdn?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: You're exactly the problem with trying to have a conversation on here. - Tanner
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 12 @ 11:27 AM ET
I hate the goal reviews for offsides. Maybe if it's a goal right off the rush, but once they've been in the zone for a while, then I say just let them play rather than sucking the life out of the game...(frank) accuracy
- UIF


Yup, only goal I want reviewed is if the puck crossed the goal line. Everything else is just a waste of time.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 12 @ 11:28 AM ET
Arthur Staple
‏Verified account @StapeAthletic
3m3 minutes ago

No Cizikas at #Isles practice today.

- UIF


Shat, just talking about a center going down too.

Hope it’s a personal day and not an injury.

Joined: 12.31.1969

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