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kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Sep 6 @ 4:25 PM ET
Nope, I don't see it either. I think they will try to be competitive. However, if it's January and the team is playing as badly as I expect them to, then it makes no sense to keep the team together in order to finish 12th in the Conference instead of 13th or 14th. Then we'll just be losing assets for nothing, like we did with pajama boy. Of course, if we can re-sign talented guys (Lee, Eberle) at reasonable prices, that's another story.
- JohnScammo



Just curious what your thoughts are on the team being bad as you expect. What is your reasoning on why this team will be bad?
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 4:33 PM ET
Just curious what your thoughts are on the team being bad as you expect. What is your reasoning on why this team will be bad?
- kindlyrick

Weak offense outside of the first line. Weak defense, even if better than last year (a low bar). No DeHaan, Boychuk a year older. Leddy a question mark after the worst season of his career. Pelech, Hickey, etc. are mediocre on a good night. Pulock is the lone bright spot on D. Questionable goaltending. A good coach. Unproven rookies.

That's my summary in 140 characters.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Sep 6 @ 4:52 PM ET
Not sure where the lose for Hughes idea came from but i don’t see this isles management allowing a dump on a season. Maybe I’m wrong but i see them adding pieces as opposed to purposefully losing.
- kindlyrick

The thought here is if you're gonna suck you might as well really suck and get the best piece out of it And when you have a guy as good as Hughes available that's a pretty big win
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Sep 6 @ 5:07 PM ET
Weak offense outside of the first line. Weak defense, even if better than last year (a low bar). No DeHaan, Boychuk a year older. Leddy a question mark after the worst season of his career. Pelech, Hickey, etc. are mediocre on a good night. Pulock is the lone bright spot on D. Questionable goaltending. A good coach. Unproven rookies.

That's my summary in 140 characters.

- JohnScammo


All fair points, although i do think we see some young talent playing this year and playing well.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Sep 6 @ 5:08 PM ET
The thought here is if you're gonna suck you might as well really suck and get the best piece out of it And when you have a guy as good as Hughes available that's a pretty big win
- Upstate_isles


I just don’t see the isles ownership going out and spending that kinda money on a coach to tank the season.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Sep 6 @ 5:10 PM ET
I just don’t see the isles ownership going out and spending that kinda money on a coach to tank the season.
- kindlyrick

Nor do I but beind 9th and just missing gets you a mmmeh pick and is like being in limbo so if they are going to miss i prefer big time. No team tanks on purpose well ........
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Sep 6 @ 5:42 PM ET
Nor do I but beind 9th and just missing gets you a mmmeh pick and is like being in limbo so if they are going to miss i prefer big time. No team tanks on purpose well ........
- Upstate_isles


I guess the same argument coulda been made for back dooring into the playoffs to get ousted. I do have faith in this management. I think it’s gonna take 2-3 years but the isles in 3 years under this GM will be better after 12 years with Snow
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 6 @ 5:56 PM ET
Do you have some kind of mental block with this subject? It's 2 years left christ!!
- Vukota

Haha (frank).
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 6 @ 6:01 PM ET
Not sure where the lose for Hughes idea came from but i don’t see this isles management allowing a dump on a season. Maybe I’m wrong but i see them adding pieces as opposed to purposefully losing.
- kindlyrick

I know you are aware of my opinion on this and it’s bordering on beating a dead horse but this team on paper is a lottery team especially when comparing our team to the rest of the division barring the Rangers. If the owners think going into this season that we’re going to start acquiring players to make ourselves better after who we just signed and traded for they’re a couple god damn morons.
Now that could change with some huge trade(s) but I don’t think any one of us believes that’s going to happen before the season. During the season is an even wackier idea with our current team make up. How do you fix these contracts by acquiring more players?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 6 @ 6:04 PM ET
Nope, I don't see it either. I think they will try to be competitive. However, if it's January and the team is playing as badly as I expect them to, then it makes no sense to keep the team together in order to finish 12th in the Conference instead of 13th or 14th. Then we'll just be losing assets for nothing, like we did with pajama boy. Of course, if we can re-sign talented guys (Lee, Eberle) at reasonable prices, that's another story.
- JohnScammo

Ok. So are we saying that signing Khunackle, Komorov, Hickey, Kovar, trading for Martin, and extending Johnston FOUR YEARS is trying to be competitive? I want to make sure we’re on the same page here. Hahaha
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Sep 6 @ 7:00 PM ET
I know you are aware of my opinion on this and it’s bordering on beating a dead horse but this team on paper is a lottery team especially when comparing our team to the rest of the division barring the Rangers. If the owners think going into this season that we’re going to start acquiring players to make ourselves better after who we just signed and traded for they’re a couple god damn morons.
Now that could change with some huge trade(s) but I don’t think any one of us believes that’s going to happen before the season. During the season is an even wackier idea with our current team make up. How do you fix these contracts by acquiring more players?

- Cptmjl


I hear you but fortunately this game isn’t played on paper. Smart money says they’re a lottery team, but i like to hope/believe there will be some solid hockey coming our way.

As for the contracts you speak of, and maybe I’m in the minority but they’re not sandbag material. I’m not too worried about 2 years of Martin, nor am i gonna start cursing the TV over 4 years of Komorov.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 6 @ 7:13 PM ET
I hear you but fortunately this game isn’t played on paper. Smart money says they’re a lottery team, but i like to hope/believe there will be some solid hockey coming our way.

As for the contracts you speak of, and maybe I’m in the minority but they’re not sandbag material. I’m not too worried about 2 years of Martin, nor am i gonna start cursing the TV over 4 years of Komorov.

- kindlyrick

I’m with you I want nothing more than this team to surprise. I think we’ll see some improvements in some aspects but the personnel is what it is and even Trotz can only do so much. My issue is the term on these deals. Two years is even to long. Let’s see if by some surprise we are competitive next season and we do need to add? Those not so big deal overpayments and long term contracts become a huge negative. It’s completely unnecessary period and honestly bad management in every sense with a salary cap. Just saying it’s Lou so it’s ok or we have space and we don’t need it right now is to me naive and sticking your head in the sand. Not budgeting for whatever the future might hold is exactly what you don’t do as a manager of anything let alone a sports team operating under a cap.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Sep 6 @ 7:20 PM ET
I guess the same argument coulda been made for back dooring into the playoffs to get ousted. I do have faith in this management. I think it’s gonna take 2-3 years but the isles in 3 years under this GM will be better after 12 years with Snow
- kindlyrick

For sure they will but one terrible year to get hughes would make the next few way better. Honestly i dont want to see another crap year
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 7:21 PM ET
Ok. So are we saying that signing Khunackle, Komorov, Hickey, Kovar, trading for Martin, and extending Johnston FOUR YEARS is trying to be competitive? I want to make sure we’re on the same page here. Hahaha
- Cptmjl

Rick asked if they were going to tank the season. I was responding to Rick, saying, no, I think they will try to win games, but by mid-January, I suspect the handwriting will be on the wall as far as the season goes. Now do you understand?
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 7:23 PM ET
For sure they will but one terrible year to get hughes would make the next few way better. Honestly i dont want to see another crap year
- Upstate_isles

None of us do, except maybe Captain Cranky.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Sep 6 @ 7:33 PM ET
None of us do, except maybe Captain Cranky.
- JohnScammo



The team isnt going to be that good in my opinion but you dont know until the games are played
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 7:40 PM ET


The team isnt going to be that good in my opinion but you dont know until the games are played

- Upstate_isles

Right. We might be able to beat the other teams into submission a la the Broad Street Bullies.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Sep 6 @ 7:52 PM ET
Right. We might be able to beat the other teams into submission a la the Broad Street Bullies.
- JohnScammo

in todays game adding faster players that can skate would be better than 80's style players but what do I know
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 7:58 PM ET
in todays game adding faster players that can skate would be better than 80's style players but what do I know
- Upstate_isles

Yes, I agree. I was joking, based on the current team as assembled.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
Rick asked if they were going to tank the season. I was responding to Rick, saying, no, I think they will try to win games, but by mid-January, I suspect the handwriting will be on the wall as far as the season goes. Now do you understand?
- JohnScammo

Nope because you were responding and bolded this;

“ i don’t see this isles management allowing a dump on a season“

From ricks post.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 6 @ 8:01 PM ET
None of us do, except maybe Captain Cranky.
- JohnScammo

Haha. Last thing I want to see is more craptastic hockey. Unfortunately it’ll take an absolute miracle for that not to happen with this cast of characters.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 8:14 PM ET
Nope because you were responding and bolded this;

“ i don’t see this isles management allowing a dump on a season“

From ricks post.

- Cptmjl

So Lou signed questionable guys to 4-year contracts to tank this season??? Or are you saying they are trying to tank the next 4 seasons??? I'm just trying to understand your position.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Sep 6 @ 8:15 PM ET
Haha. Last thing I want to see is more craptastic hockey. Unfortunately it’ll take an absolute miracle for that to happen with this cast of characters.
- Cptmjl

Sadly, I am in agreement with you. [ ]
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Sep 6 @ 8:17 PM ET
in todays game adding faster players that can skate would be better than 80's style players but what do I know
- Upstate_isles


Let’s be clear tough. Other than Martin they didn’t really bring in “goons”. They brought in guys who play a specific brand of hockey. Block shots, finish checks, go hard to the net.....play the PK. They didn’t just go out and get guys who can’t skate. They brought in a certain brand......clearly trying to change the culture.

I always thought Tavares was super talented, but unfortunately he didn’t have jam. As a result, guys were too relaxed. For me, I’d rather a Messier type who would call guys out in the room. To me, that’s a Captain.....not just a guy who’s got elite talent. I truly believe that played a role in the isles failures.

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