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JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Aug 20 @ 6:47 PM ET
My point wasnt about being able to skate or stick handle, it was about players respecting the coach. Also, you can't print things that aren't true, as they are defamation, and liable for suit.
- kindlyrick

It happens all the time. The plaintiff in a defamation suit has to prove damages as part of his/her cause of action. Sometimes someone gets pissed off enough at a printed lie that they spend thousands of dollars on legal bills, and they win their defamation suit. But the jury awards them $1.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 20 @ 7:35 PM ET
It happens all the time. The plaintiff in a defamation suit has to prove damages as part of his/her cause of action. Sometimes someone gets pissed off enough at a printed lie that they spend thousands of dollars on legal bills, and they win their defamation suit. But the jury awards them $1.
- JohnScammo


The fact remains i believe the story as fact. If the league knew this to be innacurrate im sure they'd have lawyered up.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Aug 20 @ 7:57 PM ET
The fact remains i believe the story as fact. If the league knew this to be innacurrate im sure they'd have lawyered up.
- kindlyrick

Not necessarily. A lawsuit tends to shine a spotlight on a subject, and the NHL might not want that. Avery doesn't have the best reputation, so the NHL might conclude that they're better off staying quiet on the subject.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 20 @ 8:26 PM ET
I’m sure he is. Lot of successful coaches were probably not well liked by their players.
- ses111

Come on everyone liked Keenan right?🤪
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 20 @ 8:30 PM ET
Come on everyone liked Keenan right?🤪
- Cptmjl





Of course.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Aug 20 @ 8:49 PM ET
Not even if someone gave it to me for free.
- JimmyP


kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 20 @ 9:20 PM ET
Not necessarily. A lawsuit tends to shine a spotlight on a subject, and the NHL might not want that. Avery doesn't have the best reputation, so the NHL might conclude that they're better off staying quiet on the subject.
- JohnScammo



Maybe so but if what he said was false rest assured they’d have responded.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 20 @ 9:33 PM ET
You can - it happens all the time. It's very hard to win a libel suit. It has to be egregious, like repeatedly calling someone a child molester. Someone's opinion about his coach doesn't even come close.
- JimmyP


Wait so you mean Cpt can sue us?
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Aug 20 @ 10:00 PM ET
Wait so you mean Cpt can sue us?
- nyisles7


What do you mean "us"? I've never written those things.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 20 @ 10:08 PM ET
Wait so you mean Cpt can sue us?
- nyisles7

As soon as I’m done with this pitch fork revolt you’ll be served.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 20 @ 10:09 PM ET
What do you mean "us"? I've never written those things.
- JimmyP

Well you thought it and what I learned today on this thread is if you believe it I can sue you also.
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Aug 20 @ 10:23 PM ET
Well you thought it and what I learned today on this thread is if you believe it I can sue you also.
- Cptmjl


Really? The only thing I learned is Sean Avery's word is unquestionable.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 20 @ 11:53 PM ET
As soon as I’m done with this pitch fork revolt you’ll be served.
- Cptmjl

kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 21 @ 9:46 AM ET
Well you thought it and what I learned today on this thread is if you believe it I can sue you also.
- Cptmjl



I've learned that Lou is terrible and we should all chase him with the rest of the towns people, like the Ghoul he is with pitchforks and torches....
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 21 @ 9:53 AM ET
Really? The only thing I learned is Sean Avery's word is unquestionable.
- JimmyP



On respect for John Tortorella:
“Tortorella has a reputation as a hard-ass, but not if you know him as a player. We used to laugh at him all the time. There was always someone in the dressing room who wanted to take their skate and decapitate him or take their stick and whack him over the head with it. Marion Gaborik despised him with every bone in his body. Even Hank Lundqvist, an even-keeled Swede who was usually in his own world, thought Tortorella was a terrible manager of pro athletes. And he can’t skate and stickhandle a puck at the same time, and he doesn’t realize we don’t take him seriously because of that.”

As far as Tortorella’s volatile relationship with the media goes, Avery writes: “The funny thing is that Tortorella can skate just about as well as some of our beat writers.”

Avery writes on a conflict he had with Tortorella about investing in a second New York bar (“Tiny’s”). The coach claimed that a slumping Henrik Lundqvist was distracted by being an investor in the venture, a claim that Avery … well, didn’t agree with, especially when Tortorella suggested that Lundqvist pull out of the investment:

“I’ve never walked out of a meeting with my head coach, but if I didn’t leave the room I was going to end up in Rikers for choking this little poophead within an inch of his miserable life. If he really believed that Henrik was playing poorly because of Tiny’s, then he knew nothing about his star player. Lundqvist was not working at Tiny’s, he was investing in it. Players have slumps. Anyone who knows how to coach professional athletes would know how to deal with that.”

“I told [Rangers GM] Glen Sather about it, but he had nothing to say, really. He kept a poker face and wasn’t going to play his hand, but all he had to do was watch a game – he didn’t have to live through playing for a coach who responded to something he didn’t like on the ice by kicking water bottles or throwing poop on the bench or tugging on a player’s jersey and screaming at him and ripping him a new bumhole.”

Avery doesn’t spare Tortorella’s right-hand man during those years: Current Pittsburgh Penguins coach Mike Sullivan, who has won two straight Stanley Cups. From Avery, after the 2009-10 season:

“None of us can stand listening to the mental midget and his big goofy sidekick, Mike Sullivan. Tortorella is a power-hungry control freak but he’s not smart enough to hire a good cop, even one he could play like a violin. If Mike Sullivan had played the good cop, he could still have turned around after meeting with a disgruntled player and told his puppet-master JT the details while giving the players some form of relief. Instead, they’re only able to female dog and vent to each other. This creates an unhealthy locker room.”



I know this all sounds terribly unreasonable, but if you're a hockey fan, theres some great stories that are above average entertaining.......or you can just sit here day after day dissecting the 3 months of Lou Lam, and which bottom 6 signing are terrible and a few what ifs scenarios.
Isleshockeyman
Location: IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW!
Joined: 11.05.2014

Aug 21 @ 9:54 AM ET
Maybe so but if what he said was false rest assured they’d have responded.
- kindlyrick


Not really. The NHL lawyers may have told them it's just conjecture. It could be that it wasn't worth spending the money because it was too insignificant to chase. There's a litany of reasons they didn't pursue it. I'm also not saying that whatever he said was false. I don't know, didn't read it. However, anyone can write anything they want. True or not. Look at the stuff that Gallof writes. Not all of it is true, but the Isles aren't suing him.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 21 @ 9:56 AM ET
Not really. The NHL lawyers may have told them it's just conjecture. It could be that it wasn't worth spending the money because it was too insignificant to chase. There's a litany of reasons they didn't pursue it. I'm also not saying that whatever he said was false. I don't know, didn't read it. However, anyone can write anything they want. True or not. Look at the stuff that Gallof writes. Not all of it is true, but the Isles aren't suing him.
- Isleshockeyman



Im done with this convo.......its ridic at this point. Im merely trying to share a hockey book with hockey fans, and i guess cause theres nothign else going on, it turns into what ifs about lawsuits. Its entertaining and if you're a hockey fan, theres some good stories on players you all know...

When and if you do read it, you'll see what im talking about as far as the allegations made. They're nothing like BD Gallof tryna stay relevant as a hockeybuzz beat writer. I get your point, but its apples and steak



According to a report from Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press, while Avery shares a number of stunning behind the scenes stories regarding his time in the NHL, three men in particular are the subject of Avery's vitriol. Those three men are former New Jersey Devils forward Ilya Kovalchuk, former New Jersey Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur and his former head coach with the New York Rangers John Tortorella.

In the case of Kovalchuk Avery implies that the Russian superstar is too soft and furthermore indicates that he will never be a winner in hockey because "it's too hard."

Avery's issues with Brodeur are well documented and it's no shock to learn that the former NHL player took some pot shots at the legendary goaltender in his book. Avery calls Brodeur a "dirtbag" in his book, one who left his then wife for his sister-in-law, a story that was fairly well publicized at the time of the incident.

The man who gets it the worst according to Davidson however is head coach John Tortorella and while obviously he can't share all the details of Avery's books, especially not the more explicit ones, he does state that Avery described Tortorella as "A clown who was scared of the power I held with the Rangers."

There are a number of other stories in the book, including a shocking tale of how some Rangers players were high on ecstasy on their way to the funeral of former NHL enforcer Derek Boogaard, but you'll have to pick up his book to get the inside scoop on all of those.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 21 @ 10:08 AM ET
On respect for John Tortorella:
“Tortorella has a reputation as a hard-ass, but not if you know him as a player. We used to laugh at him all the time. There was always someone in the dressing room who wanted to take their skate and decapitate him or take their stick and whack him over the head with it. Marion Gaborik despised him with every bone in his body. Even Hank Lundqvist, an even-keeled Swede who was usually in his own world, thought Tortorella was a terrible manager of pro athletes. And he can’t skate and stickhandle a puck at the same time, and he doesn’t realize we don’t take him seriously because of that.”

As far as Tortorella’s volatile relationship with the media goes, Avery writes: “The funny thing is that Tortorella can skate just about as well as some of our beat writers.”

Avery writes on a conflict he had with Tortorella about investing in a second New York bar (“Tiny’s”). The coach claimed that a slumping Henrik Lundqvist was distracted by being an investor in the venture, a claim that Avery … well, didn’t agree with, especially when Tortorella suggested that Lundqvist pull out of the investment:

“I’ve never walked out of a meeting with my head coach, but if I didn’t leave the room I was going to end up in Rikers for choking this little poophead within an inch of his miserable life. If he really believed that Henrik was playing poorly because of Tiny’s, then he knew nothing about his star player. Lundqvist was not working at Tiny’s, he was investing in it. Players have slumps. Anyone who knows how to coach professional athletes would know how to deal with that.”

“I told

- kindlyrick[Rangers GM] Glen Sather about it, but he had nothing to say, really. He kept a poker face and wasn’t going to play his hand, but all he had to do was watch a game – he didn’t have to live through playing for a coach who responded to something he didn’t like on the ice by kicking water bottles or throwing poop on the bench or tugging on a player’s jersey and screaming at him and ripping him a new bumhole.”

Avery doesn’t spare Tortorella’s right-hand man during those years: Current Pittsburgh Penguins coach Mike Sullivan, who has won two straight Stanley Cups. From Avery, after the 2009-10 season:

“None of us can stand listening to the mental midget and his big goofy sidekick, Mike Sullivan. Tortorella is a power-hungry control freak but he’s not smart enough to hire a good cop, even one he could play like a violin. If Mike Sullivan had played the good cop, he could still have turned around after meeting with a disgruntled player and told his puppet-master JT the details while giving the players some form of relief. Instead, they’re only able to female dog and vent to each other. This creates an unhealthy locker room.”



I know this all sounds terribly unreasonable, but if you're a hockey fan, theres some great stories that are above average entertaining.......or you can just sit here day after day dissecting the 3 months of Lou Lam, and which bottom 6 signing are terrible and a few what ifs scenarios.

No need to dissect they’re all terrible. Hahahaha
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
No need to dissect they’re all terrible. Hahahaha
- Cptmjl



1-1 after the first......haha Glad you have a good sense of humor man.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
Not really. The NHL lawyers may have told them it's just conjecture. It could be that it wasn't worth spending the money because it was too insignificant to chase. There's a litany of reasons they didn't pursue it. I'm also not saying that whatever he said was false. I don't know, didn't read it. However, anyone can write anything they want. True or not. Look at the stuff that Gallof writes. Not all of it is true, but the Isles aren't suing him.
- Isleshockeyman

correction;
None of it’s true
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 21 @ 10:10 AM ET
I've learned that Lou is terrible and we should all chase him with the rest of the towns people, like the Ghoul he is with pitchforks and torches....
- kindlyrick

Spot on
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 21 @ 10:13 AM ET
1-1 after the first......haha Glad you have a good sense of humor man.
- kindlyrick

😉
Isleshockeyman
Location: IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW!
Joined: 11.05.2014

Aug 21 @ 10:14 AM ET
Im done with this convo.......its ridic at this point. Im merely trying to share a hockey book with hockey fans, and i guess cause theres nothign else going on, it turns into what ifs about lawsuits. Its entertaining and if you're a hockey fan, theres some good stories on players you all know...

When and if you do read it, you'll see what im talking about as far as the allegations made. They're nothing like BD Gallof tryna stay relevant as a hockeybuzz beat writer. I get your point, but its apples and steak



According to a report from Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press, while Avery shares a number of stunning behind the scenes stories regarding his time in the NHL, three men in particular are the subject of Avery's vitriol. Those three men are former New Jersey Devils forward Ilya Kovalchuk, former New Jersey Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur and his former head coach with the New York Rangers John Tortorella.

In the case of Kovalchuk Avery implies that the Russian superstar is too soft and furthermore indicates that he will never be a winner in hockey because "it's too hard."

Avery's issues with Brodeur are well documented and it's no shock to learn that the former NHL player took some pot shots at the legendary goaltender in his book. Avery calls Brodeur a "dirtbag" in his book, one who left his then wife for his sister-in-law, a story that was fairly well publicized at the time of the incident.

The man who gets it the worst according to Davidson however is head coach John Tortorella and while obviously he can't share all the details of Avery's books, especially not the more explicit ones, he does state that Avery described Tortorella as "A clown who was scared of the power I held with the Rangers."

There are a number of other stories in the book, including a shocking tale of how some Rangers players were high on ecstasy on their way to the funeral of former NHL enforcer Derek Boogaard, but you'll have to pick up his book to get the inside scoop on all of those.

- kindlyrick


I'm not arguing for or against anyone. Like everyone else, I'm just throwing my two cents in the ring. There's a lot of entertaining hockey books out there.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 21 @ 10:18 AM ET
I'm not arguing for or against anyone. Like everyone else, I'm just throwing my two cents in the ring. There's a lot of entertaining hockey books out there.
- Isleshockeyman


Pass one on guy......I’ll buy it right now. I’m always down for a good hockey book for my commute.

Joined: 12.31.1969

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