Todd Cordell: On the Lazar trade, sticking with Elliott, and more

Todd Cordell: On the Lazar trade, sticking with Elliott, and more
- ToddCordellCGY

We took a chance on a young player who has the opportunity to grow with our young core. I am okay with this and I believe Lazar will turn into a great 3rd line player which is all we could hope for. Could mesh well with Bennett too. Only gave up a 2nd in a weaker draft.

In Brad Treliving I trust. The more and more I look into what defensemen went for at the trade deadline, the more credit I have to give to Brad for getting Stone for a 3rd and conditional 5th.He's the man!

36 points in 176 games is... very, very bad.

Todd Cordell: On the Lazar trade, sticking with Elliott, and more
- ToddCordellCGY

Getting Lazar was a smart move. He has talent, just needs some redevelopment. Little moves like that are good value.

I think the odds of Lazar being an every day NHLer is probably better than a 2nd rounder. He had mono to start this season and it seems to have really messed with his head. Dave Cameron got a lot out of him and I think he'll do well on the third line, maybe even some energy on the 4th. He sounds very excited to be coming to Calgary and get a fresh start. I like the move.

I'm also glad they didn't push hard for a goalie. I like the tandem right now and think they will just get better with the pressure of the playoffs.

I think the odds of Lazar being an every day NHLer is probably better than a 2nd rounder. He had mono to start this season and it seems to have really messed with his head. Dave Cameron got a lot out of him and I think he'll do well on the third line, maybe even some energy on the 4th. He sounds very excited to be coming to Calgary and get a fresh start. I like the move.

I'm also glad they didn't push hard for a goalie. I like the tandem right now and think they will just get better with the pressure of the playoffs.
- Flames in 6 04

I probably speak for the entire Ottawa fanbase when I say I quietly hope that Curtis breaks out and has a long NHL career. Couldn't be a nicer guy, but had a variety of issues in Ottawa.

Management probably pushed him up a little quick, and he could probably stand to play a few years in the minors to really develop his game. He works hard, but just doesn't seem to have much IQ or scoring ability. Clearly he has achieved success in other levels, so you can definitely see the potential.

He just desperately needed a change of scenery, and hopefully he gets that in Calgary. Wish him the best.

Honestly Lazar is a hard working player and every sens fan has wanted him to succeed, he has the work ethic to turn things around. That said, he has absolutely zero offensive ability and is an complete disaster with the puck, he can't shoot or make nice plays even at the AHL level. Gotta love the kid but he simply lacks skill to the point where he shouldn't even be in the NHL.

I probably speak for the entire Ottawa fanbase when I say I quietly hope that Curtis breaks out and has a long NHL career. Couldn't be a nicer guy, but had a variety of issues in Ottawa.

Management probably pushed him up a little quick, and he could probably stand to play a few years in the minors to really develop his game. He works hard, but just doesn't seem to have much IQ or scoring ability. Clearly he has achieved success in other levels, so you can definitely see the potential.

He just desperately needed a change of scenery, and hopefully he gets that in Calgary. Wish him the best.
- Jordo

Yup. I don't think anyone on here is expecting him to be the next Lucic, but I like the gamble. Sure a 2nd is a high price to pay, but if it pays off it could look pretty damn good. Seems like a good kid, hope he can turn it around!

Yup. I don't think anyone on here is expecting him to be the next Lucic, but I like the gamble. Sure a 2nd is a high price to pay, but if it pays off it could look pretty damn good. Seems like a good kid, hope he can turn it around!
- Saskabush

If he had skills like a hard shot or accurate shot ,playmaking ability, pk ability fast skater, hard hitter, Slick hands just anything really you could get excited about something but he unfortunately does not, never has and likely never will have any skills that stand out or suggest he can be even a one trick pony in a limited role. He's a great kid and hard worker and a former 1st that's literally it.

Getting Lazar was a smart move. He has talent, just needs some redevelopment. Little moves like that are good value.
- Larsson_fan

Finally someone with a little knowledge

36 points in 176 games is... very, very bad.
- BINGO!

Dont do it man, they dont want to hear about the stats

I think this trade is great, he wasn't brought in to put up 60 points a year. He is very similar to Dustin Brown. He has a winning pedigree and he works hard. He is the type of player that elevates line mates play and puts up somewhere between 30-40 points, hopefully a season. We need players like this in the battle of Alberta. Time will only tell what the 2nd rounder will be but in a week draft and low percentage of 2nd rounder's to make the NHL, this was a good deal. If this wasn't an expansion draft year people would have been more positive about this trade. Hopefully the flames protect Ferland and Lazar and hopefully Brouwer gets snagged by Vegas.

It doesnt mean that the whole draft is junk, just a food for thought, I see a lot of comments of this draft sucks so who cares.

If it the draft is so bad, why was there next to nothing in top picks moved at the deadline. 2 1st by Washington and Minny? Pitts moved their 2nd and the Flames for Lazar. Other than that, those are the only picks moved at the deadline.

Just bc the Top 5 doesnt have a McDavid or Matthews, doesnt mean the draft 1-90 picks are dumpster fires. There are some real gems there, I would know I have been looking gat prospects for months bc my team stinks

Getting Lazar was a smart move. He has talent, just needs some redevelopment. Little moves like that are good value.
- Larsson_fan

I just don't see it. Maybe he can be a serviceable 4th line grinder.

I just don't see it. Maybe he can be a serviceable 4th line grinder.
- SRam19

If you're less productive than Steve Ott, you've got a problem.

Yup. I don't think anyone on here is expecting him to be the next Lucic, but I like the gamble. Sure a 2nd is a high price to pay, but if it pays off it could look pretty damn good. Seems like a good kid, hope he can turn it around!
- Saskabush

for like the last year, any time you see people try to make a list of lazar's attributes it seems like "seems like a good kid" is the only one on there. I'm glad that Ottawa cut their losses on lazar instead of pulling a "cowen" and extending him to a ridiculous contract.

like you said, he seems like a good kid, but he literally has not shown a shred of evidence in 3 years to indicate that he's an NHL calibre player. I think at best you can put him on your 4th line and hope that he somehow develops by only playing 5-6 minutes a night.

it wasn't a horribly expensive risk to take, but given the fact that your top 9 seems set, and the fact that you have to protect him or risk losing him for nothing (although I can't see vegas having the slightest interest in him) it seemed like an unnecessary risk to take.

just my opinion...............I do sincerely hope he finds his game. I like lazar and I like what the flames are building and I hope he finds success........I just think it's pretty unlikely.

If you're less productive than Steve Ott, you've got a problem.
- BINGO!

I compare it as Grigorenko has 60pts in 200 NHL games, while being decently sound defensively in a bottom 6C role.

If someone traded a 2nd for him they would have thought they were crazy. I get the take a shot at a reclaim, but a 2nd would be too high for Grigo, why is it ok for Lazar?

I like Lazar the player as a name, story, hope he succeeds, but the price...I thought it was too rich

Finally someone with a little knowledge
- Squilliam-

as opposed to sens fans who've actually watched him play, very poorly, for the last 3 years?

It doesnt mean that the whole draft is junk, just a food for thought, I see a lot of comments of this draft sucks so who cares.

If it the draft is so bad, why was there next to nothing in top picks moved at the deadline. 2 1st by Washington and Minny? Pitts moved their 2nd and the Flames for Lazar. Other than that, those are the only picks moved at the deadline.

Just bc the Top 5 doesnt have a McDavid or Matthews, doesnt mean the draft 1-90 picks are dumpster fires. There are some real gems there, I would know I have been looking gat prospects for months bc my team stinks
- DDM-Coga

GMs are finally starting to realize the value of a 1st round pick and didn't want to trade them away for some dud like Radim Vrbata?

GMs are finally starting to realize the value of a 1st round pick and didn't want to trade them away for some dud like Radim Vrbata?
- Saskabush

Thats my point exactly, there are still value in picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds regardless if the draft is "bad or not"

Like I said, I like the idea of Flames getting Lazar, just the price is very steep and to justify it who cares the draft sucks anyways, its a bit odd IMO

It doesnt mean that the whole draft is junk, just a food for thought, I see a lot of comments of this draft sucks so who cares.

If it the draft is so bad, why was there next to nothing in top picks moved at the deadline. 2 1st by Washington and Minny? Pitts moved their 2nd and the Flames for Lazar. Other than that, those are the only picks moved at the deadline.

Just bc the Top 5 doesnt have a McDavid or Matthews, doesnt mean the draft 1-90 picks are dumpster fires. There are some real gems there, I would know I have been looking gat prospects for months bc my team stinks
- DDM-Coga

leafs also moved a 2nd for boyle..........but I agree with your point.

as for the top end talent in this draft.......I live in Halifax and get to see hischier play a lot.................can't say much about Patrick but hischier is going to be a f-ing stud in this league. he's not matthews or mcdavid, but he's going to be in the marner, drouin, mackinnon type group of young players.....there are some beauts in this draft.

Thats my point exactly, there are still value in picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds regardless if the draft is "bad or not"

Like I said, I like the idea of Flames getting Lazar, just the price is very steep and to justify it who cares the draft sucks anyways, its a bit odd IMO
- DDM-Coga

Draft picks are lottery tickets. Why trade away a shot at somebody good for somebody you know probably isn't.

for like the last year, any time you see people try to make a list of lazar's attributes it seems like "seems like a good kid" is the only one on there. I'm glad that Ottawa cut their losses on lazar instead of pulling a "cowen" and extending him to a ridiculous contract.

like you said, he seems like a good kid, but he literally has not shown a shred of evidence in 3 years to indicate that he's an NHL calibre player. I think at best you can put him on your 4th line and hope that he somehow develops by only playing 5-6 minutes a night.

it wasn't a horribly expensive risk to take, but given the fact that your top 9 seems set, and the fact that you have to protect him or risk losing him for nothing (although I can't see vegas having the slightest interest in him) it seemed like an unnecessary risk to take.

just my opinion...............I do sincerely hope he finds his game. I like lazar and I like what the flames are building and I hope he finds success........I just think it's pretty unlikely.
- sensarmy_11

We don't have any right shot players of Lazar's mold.

I bet Versteeg gets a better offer somewhere else next year. I could see Brouwer being exposed now (trust me the Flames management is aware the expansion draft exists). Doubt Chiasson is extended. Bouma might be bought out. There will be room on the roster for him next year.

This was a long term play, not a short term solution. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play a whole lot with us this year. Whether it works out or not, nobody really knows, we'll have to wait and see.


Maybe he can be on a line with Janko and Ferland next year? We could nickname their line The Projects

leafs also moved a 2nd for boyle..........but I agree with your point.

as for the top end talent in this draft.......I live in Halifax and get to see hischier play a lot.................can't say much about Patrick but hischier is going to be a f-ing stud in this league. he's not matthews or mcdavid, but he's going to be in the marner, drouin, mackinnon type group of young players.....there are some beauts in this draft.
- sensarmy_11

oh right, I missed that but its the highest out of the Leafs, Sharks, and Sens.

I have watched Patrick a few times already, Love the Wheaties originally from Manitoba. But the kid looks like a big hoss out there. He won't be a dominate 1C in the league, but hes going to be a good 2C, which is nothing to sneeze at either.

I agree, I am all in on hischier