Ty Anderson: Hard to hate Beleskey deal for Bruins

Basically turned Lucic into two firsts and used the money saved to sign Beleskey...not bad.


If they kept Hamilton and just did that deal(and also not traded a 3rd rounder for a scrub) then Sweeney would actually be looked at completely differently right now.

Basically turned Lucic into two firsts and used the money saved to sign Beleskey...not bad.


If they kept Hamilton and just did that deal(and also not traded a 3rd rounder for a scrub) then Sweeney would actually be looked at completely differently right now.
- Nucker101

It's true. I still don't like the Hamilton return and their pursuit (how can you not let the entire league know that he's on the market), but it definitely sounds like he didn't wanna be here (he was not a fan of Claude Julien), and you're always sorta handcuffed to get what you can while you can when that happens.

Ty Anderson: Hard to hate Beleskey deal for Bruins
- tyanderson

Isn't this how the Bruins got into their Cap trouble in the first place? Over-paying 3rd line guys? I agree it's not as bad as we thought it was going to be, but committing almost 20M to a 3rd line guy seems foolish.

He says all the right things.

Has anyone mentioned his consistency as a problem Ty?

My single biggest grip with Lucic was how super inconsistent he was. Even if your not scoring........hit somebody!
If this guy just leaves it on the ice every game and scores 20-25 goals it is an upgrade.

Isn't this how the Bruins got into their Cap trouble in the first place? Over-paying 3rd line guys? I agree it's not as bad as we thought it was going to be, but committing almost 20M to a 3rd line guy seems foolish.
- djamon

I'd argue they got there when they overpaid their guys in term and no-trades as acts of rewarding them for past accomplishments. Like, you shouldn't have to reward a guy because he likes playing in Boston. This is a pretty good hockey town, you should like playing here. And I think that that's the mindset Sweeney has. Is this an overpayment? It could be. But unlike Chiarelli, Sweeney only gave Beleskey two years of a no-trade. Would make it infinitely easier to cut him loose if this is a bust.

When Beleksey shows he isn't the next Brian Bickell, I will start to believe. Too much unproven. If he shows he can be a consistent 40 point player, I will be the first to admit I am wrong. But for now I respectfully disagree with his signing.

As for Lucic. The return was substantial for a guy that would have likely left the bruins after next year if he had stayed. Given this last draft, (first under this new administration), I'm not exactly excited about who we might draft with our acquired first rounder. The most exciting part of this trade to me is C. Miller.

Sorry to be the negative one. Its really hard for me to believe in this vision for the team right now. I would like to hear from hamilton himself exactly why he didn't want to stay in boston (if that is even the case). I would be very happy to be proven wrong, but for now its just too damn hard.

I will give Sweeney one thing though, the NMCs aren't being passed out like candy, which is nice.

It's true. I still don't like the Hamilton return and their pursuit (how can you not let the entire league know that he's on the market), but it definitely sounds like he didn't wanna be here (he was not a fan of Claude Julien), and you're always sorta handcuffed to get what you can while you can when that happens.
- tyanderson

I like that he's giving the team an identity again. He vowed to make the team more aggresive and stuck to it. The forward group looks fast and gritty with some good skill mixed in. I think, if nothing else, they will be much more difficult to play against

Sad, but Hamilton didn't want to stay in Boston.

David Clarkson 2.0

David Clarkson 2.0
- captmats13

No comparaison there. Clarkson signed for $36.75M/7 years.
Funny how Sweeney is getting ripped for everything he does because Hamilton didn't want to play in Boston and had his mind set on a few destinations.

Sad, but Hamilton didn't want to stay in Boston.
- Bravo4Bergy

That's fine. But it's the overall trend of the Bs team and management over the years. It's the trend..........

Thornton, Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton..........
Julien didn't like Savard or Kessel........
Hamilton didn't want to play for Julien........
Thornton wasn't any good......although he is a Hall of Famer.........

Not ONE of the trades netted anything if value to this team, sorry, but even the Kessel trade is erased...........

David Clarkson 2.0
- captmats13

Stupid comment, really.

DC - 5.25 for 7 years
MB - 3.8 for 5 years

And he is 4 years younger than clarkson. Even if he is a massive bust he is nowhere in the realm of Clarkson.

Stupid comment, really.

DC - 5.25 for 7 years
MB - 3.8 for 5 years

And he is 4 years younger than clarkson. Even if he is a massive bust he is nowhere in the realm of Clarkson.
- MrBeanTown

Worth the risk, IMO.

BONUS..........only two years of NTC!

No comparaison there. Clarkson signed for $36.75M/7 years.
Funny how Sweeney is getting ripped for everything he does because Hamilton didn't want to play in Boston and had his mind set on a few destinations.
- Bravo4Bergy

Also, don't forget the Rinaldo for a THIRD rounder.......AND McQuaid at 4 yrs for $2.75 per......

Also, don't forget the Rinaldo for a THIRD rounder.......AND McQuaid at 4 yrs for $2.75 per......
- JIwasinskiJr

Drafting Senyshyn was a bit strange too, but idk, maybe he's a genius

That's fine. But it's the overall trend of the Bs team and management over the years. It's the trend..........

Thornton, Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton..........
Julien didn't like Savard or Kessel........
Hamilton didn't want to play for Julien........
Thornton wasn't any good......although he is a Hall of Famer.........

Not ONE of the trades netted anything if value to this team, sorry, but even the Kessel trade is erased...........
- JIwasinskiJr

Intersting, what is common to all these?
Or should I say WHO is common to all these?

Also, don't forget the Rinaldo for a THIRD rounder.......AND McQuaid at 4 yrs for $2.75 per......
- JIwasinskiJr

Can't defend the Rinaldo acqusition much, too dirty and too expansive (meaning the acquisition cost), but at least he's skating and he hits. Last year in Boston guys seemed too disengaged and bored.
As for McQuaid, I don't have much of a problem with that signing. He was about the only Dman willing and able to push off guys in front of the net last year. He's paid like a 4th and he's not too old. Only thing is he's injury prone.

Intersting, what is common to all these?
Or should I say WHO is common to all these?
- Bravo4Bergy

The Boston Bruins.

But the overall point as a life long Bs fan is that we go through stars like a six year old goes through tissues.

Why is this time going to be different?

The Boston Bruins.

But the overall point as a life long Bs fan is that we go through stars like a six year old goes through tissues.

Why is this time going to be different?
- JIwasinskiJr

What I meant is that the management teams were different, so you can't pin that on one individual (well maybe the Jacobs, but lately they have not been afraid to spend).

So what? Yeah the Bruins are the constant, but unless you think there is a supernatural entity behind that (Habs fans would probably agree there ), I'd say no this is not a trend.

I can't say much about Thornton, but the other 3 are different.
Kessel didn't want to play the system, wanted money, and wanted out. And the Bruins didn't want him anymore.
Seguin had off-ice problems so we heard, and the Bruins wanted him out, but he wanted to stay. I've read he was devastated hearing he's been traded.
Hamilton, he didn't want to be here, and I think the Bruins wanted him.

It's true. I still don't like the Hamilton return and their pursuit (how can you not let the entire league know that he's on the market), but it definitely sounds like he didn't wanna be here (he was not a fan of Claude Julien), and you're always sorta handcuffed to get what you can while you can when that happens.
- tyanderson

Ty, maybe there were not a lot of possible suitors to pursuit...
Not that teams wouldn't line up to get their hands on Hamilton, but maybe there were just a few possible destinations.

Depending on the definition of star, boston still has Bergeron, still has Marchand, still has Krejci, still has Rask. To be fair, in what 10 years trading away 4 "stars", while bringing in a mix of stars in Chara, Savard, Murray, potentially Erikson. A cup, a couple Presidents trophies, etc. I can't say that they are crippling themselves. In a salary cap era teams cycle through their star players. Keep the some, trade some, develop some new ones. Look at Chicago, got rid of Niemi, Buf, Versteeg, probably Sharp next? Rangers lost several over the past few years. Philly lost Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, etc.

This is just how it happens

20 goals is the target

Should hit it if he's on the first line

Depending on the definition of star, boston still has Bergeron, still has Marchand, still has Krejci, still has Rask. To be fair, in what 10 years trading away 4 "stars", while bringing in a mix of stars in Chara, Savard, Murray, potentially Erikson. A cup, a couple Presidents trophies, etc. I can't say that they are crippling themselves. In a salary cap era teams cycle through their star players. Keep the some, trade some, develop some new ones. Look at Chicago, got rid of Niemi, Buf, Versteeg, probably Sharp next? Rangers lost several over the past few years. Philly lost Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, etc.

This is just how it happens
- Videoj

I understand what you are attempting to do. And I agree in many ways.

But please do not attempt to tell me that watching my favorite players getting traded and having GREAT SUCCES on other teams is just the way it is in the NHL.

I don't blame Sweeney for having to trade Hamilton, but the return was horrible, and there are always excuses.

Kessel is a potential Rocket Rchard finalist.......
Seguin is a potential Rocket and Art Ross finalist.......
Thornton won the Art Ross and Hart Trophy.........
Hamilton will be a Norris finalist in the near future.......

Is there anyone on the team that has the potential to win any of those awards that we developed and watched grow as draft picks? (Pasta maybe)

Bergy is one of the best players in the NHL, and my favorite player.

But if you can not see that Hamilton is the third All-Star player we have traded since Bergy has been on the team.........I have no idea what you are drinking......no idea what to tell you...........

I understand what you are attempting to do. And I agree in many ways.

But please do not attempt to tell me that watching my favorite players getting traded and having GREAT SUCCES on other teams is just the way it is in the NHL.

I don't blame Sweeney for having to trade Hamilton, but the return was horrible, and there are always excuses.

Kessel is a potential Rocket Rchard finalist.......
Seguin is a potential Rocket and Art Ross finalist.......
Thornton won the Art Ross and Hart Trophy.........
Hamilton will be a Norris finalist in the near future.......

Is there anyone on the team that has the potential to win any of those awards that we developed and watched grow as draft picks? (Pasta maybe)

Bergy is one of the best players in the NHL, and my favorite player.

But if you can not see that Hamilton is the third All-Star player we have traded since Bergy has been on the team.........I have no idea what you drinking......no idea what to tell you...........
- JIwasinskiJr

I know man, I respectfully agree. I watched Kessel get drafted and was excited. I created a Seguin skater in NHL 08 and won the Calder trophy with him. Thornton was my favourite player and I was in highschool and cried when I was told he was traded. Hamilton I didn't feel strong enough about to feel a connection with until this season, but agree all great stars.

However, given the situation, we know why Hamilton was traded and it was somewhat necessary given the facts.
Seguin trade got a half decent return, got rid of Peverley's contract, and allowed us to sign Iginla.
And the Kessel trade got us both Hamilton and Seguin, so cannot say it was a bad return.
Can't defend Thornton. Hate the trade. That is all.

I just like Devil's Advocate too much I guess.