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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:38 PM ET
He's a member of the "get tossed around like a rag doll in your own zone" brigade.
- PLindbergh31


Also of the "illegally get checked into your own goaltender when you're not near the puck" brigade.

If only he was Shea Weber or Drew Doughty, guys who have never made mistakes ever and are impossible to get the puck from.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Aug 13 @ 1:39 PM ET
Nichuskin for Rinaldo and a 2016 2nd
- jmatchett383

I wouldn't give more than a 4th. They're already getting the god of war Rinaldus.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 13 @ 1:40 PM ET
Anyone else surprised there have been no changes to the scouting dept. Also has not hired a stat geek that I know of even though he's given lip service to the analytical area of the game.

Just thought we'd hear about a couple changes by now since the draft is over. Only thing was the change to the coaching staff which might have been berubes call

- Just5


Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:41 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk


Maybe AMac is doing double duty as defenseman and stat guru.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Aug 13 @ 1:43 PM ET
if it wasn't for Gange helping them out of the basement, they'd have Nichushkin rather than the bust.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 13 @ 1:53 PM ET
Nichuskin for Rinaldo and a 2016 2nd
- jmatchett383


For Nichuskin, I'd even toss in that Matt Ellison autographed card someone had up earlier.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 13 @ 1:57 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk


I'd say no, they don't all hit the news.

If you're hiring a guy like Dellow, who made a name for himself among media types and on social media, they yeah.....that's gonna make news and become a bit of navel gazing amongst certain circles of hockey writers.

Also, teams do record stats that are proprietary. After all, if a team feels like it's realizing some sort of arbitrage situation from a shortcoming in the market, why would they share it with everyone?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 13 @ 1:59 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk


Another item on this point: I'm sure collection and crunching of this data can be contracted out to the right consulting firm (with proper NDAs in place, of course). You don't have to hire a "stat guy". You could have a consulting agreement in place to provide data on an as needed basis.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Aug 13 @ 2:00 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk

I'm still so curious as to who hired Tulsky. I'm going to miss reading his stuff, he's a smart guy.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:01 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk


No need to have pencil pushing stat geeks in today's NHL. All that data is useless. The naked eye sees everything.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
Maybe AMac is doing double duty as defenseman and stat guru.
- jmatchett383

they pay him enough....clean the locker room also
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk

"Canada"
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
if it wasn't for Gange helping them out of the basement, they'd have Nichushkin rather than the bust.
- wilsonecho91


Flyers had Nichushkin ranked around 20.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Aug 13 @ 2:07 PM ET
if it wasn't for Gange helping them out of the basement, they'd have Nichushkin rather than the bust.
- wilsonecho91


Yeah, that's a tough pill to swallow. But I think Morin is the real deal.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 2:08 PM ET
Yeah, that's a tough pill to swallow. But I think Morin is the real deal.
- KGBflyers10


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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 13 @ 2:09 PM ET
I'm still so curious as to who hired Tulsky. I'm going to miss reading his stuff, he's a smart guy.
- TobyFlenderson


I pray nightly that it's the Flyers...

Chief and Hexy have both been uttering some Tulskian adages this summer... maybe that's a subtle sign that they got him.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 13 @ 2:09 PM ET
"Canada"
- mayorofangrytown


And there's that too.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 13 @ 2:10 PM ET
"Canada"
- mayorofangrytown


Haha, indeed.

Two embattled front offices, too, throwing the fans some red meat.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 2:10 PM ET
Do all scouts/consultant/supplementary staff hires tend to hit the news? I guess what I'm saying is, the Flyers could have made changes that we don't know about (yet).

Most of the stats hires are usually done in secret anyway... for example, it's been a month+ and still no word on which team hired Eric Tulsky. The hoopla around the Dubas and Dellow hirings are more the exception than the rule.

- Tomahawk

Why do people assume they don't already have people (multiple people) doing their analytics and video review? I'm sure every club has someone doing it. I don't even think the Dubas signing is nearly as big of a deal as the Canadian media is making it out to be. It was Shanahans first hire pretty much and everyone wants it to be a change in "culture" up there. He's the assistant GM. He's not even a stats guy. He employs them.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 13 @ 2:14 PM ET
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- jmatchett383


You sure have a thing for guys w big... slappers.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 13 @ 2:14 PM ET
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- jmatchett383

morin will be prongering people soon enough
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 2:17 PM ET
You sure have a thing for guys w big... slappers.
- Tomahawk


I was 99% certain that they were going to draft him. I just think he'll end up being the best value pick of the draft, as much as I know you like Morrissey. Dude has a cannon, just needs to fill out a little bit more.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 13 @ 2:18 PM ET
You sure have a thing for guys w big... slappers.
- Tomahawk


Retro porn
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Aug 13 @ 2:18 PM ET
Your defense looks really weak.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:19 PM ET
Your defense looks really weak.
- daeth


Still bitter about losing Luke Schenn aren't you?
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