Mark Spizzirri: 2012 Draft Class

Who's better: Tatar or Nyqvist? What's the difference in their games? What are their strengths and weaknesses?

Thank you for the input.

Who's better: Tatar or Nyqvist? What's the difference in their games? What are their strengths and weaknesses?

Thank you for the input.
- Barnaby36

Hard to say who's better between the two. They are two very similar players. Nyquist is definitely more of a "game-breaker" offensively.

Two very high skilled players that can skate, but also aren't sieves defensively either. They will only continue to become better individual 200 foot players in the NHL the more they play, but their success already can be attributed to the 100+ games each one has played in the AHL; this is essentially a requirement anymore to matriculate through the Red Wings organization.

If I was going to really try to differentiate between the two, Nyquist is definitely the game-breaker of the two and the better goal scorer.

Hard to say who's better between the two. They are two very similar players. Nyquist is definitely more of a "game-breaker" offensively.

Two very high skilled players that can skate, but also aren't sieves defensively either. They will only continue to become better individual 200 foot players in the NHL the more they play, but their success already can be attributed to the 100+ games each one has played in the AHL; this is essentially a requirement anymore to matriculate through the Red Wings organization.

If I was going to really try to differentiate between the two, Nyquist is definitely the game-breaker of the two and the better goal scorer.
- mochoson

Thanks mochoson Paul Martin + could be had if the Penguins could land one of them

I remember thinking Athanasiou was going to be a great pick for you guys. Kid has speed to burn.

Thanks mochoson Paul Martin + could be had if the Penguins could land one of them
- Barnaby36

Dont know that the Red Wings would go for it, but certainly a fair offer.

Thanks mochoson Paul Martin + could be had if the Penguins could land one of them
- Barnaby36

No thank you. imo Nyquist is the better of the two and simply a non tradeable, but the last guy is right both have similar play style. I know most fans will always over value their players but if we had to trade Tatar he's definitely worth more than Paul Martin. I don't want Paul Martin period. He's not horrible just not for the wings. He's only got one year left on his contract. Wouldn't make sense to send a young stud who just signed an extension for one year left on a d Man who's surely going to listen to offers and cash in next year.

No thank you. imo Nyquist is the better of the two and simply a non tradeable, but the last guy is right both have similar play style. I know most fans will always over value their players but if we had to trade Tatar he's definitely worth more than Paul Martin. I don't want Paul Martin period. He's not horrible just not for the wings. He's only got one year left on his contract. Wouldn't make sense to send a young stud who just signed an extension for one year left on a d Man who's surely going to listen to offers and cash in next year.
- digitalbath

Perhaps you didn't read all what I said. I said Paul Martin "+". And yeah, he would fit right in the Red Wings style of play. The guy is a stud on D.

Who's better: Tatar or Nyqvist? What's the difference in their games? What are their strengths and weaknesses?

Thank you for the input.
- Barnaby36

Nyqvist is the better of the two, and I hope the wings wouldn't trade him.

I wouldn't mind having Martin but we would have a logjam at D, Tatar is younger, Martin only has a year left on his contract.

I might consider Martin, Bennett for Tatar and Kindl

Nyqvist is the better of the two, and I hope the wings wouldn't trade him.

I wouldn't mind having Martin but we would have a logjam at D, Tatar is younger, Martin only has a year left on his contract.

I might consider Martin, Bennett for Tatar and Kindl
- porkchops1977

I don't know what kind of trade proposal the Penguins would make but I just can see Martin on a Red Wings jersey. He would be good there. Tatar could be pretty good for our top 6 since Dupuis and Kunitz aren't getting any younger.

Perhaps you didn't read all what I said. I said Paul Martin "+". And yeah, he would fit right in the Red Wings style of play. The guy is a stud on D.
- Barnaby36

Again. The plus doesn't interest me. I'm no Ken holland tho. We dont need multiple pieces or picks. We need a top pairing D Man. With more than 1 year left on contract. That'd the biggest downfall for Martin in my opinion

Again. The plus doesn't interest me. I'm no Ken holland tho. We dont need multiple pieces or picks. We need a top pairing D Man. With more than 1 year left on contract. That'd the biggest downfall for Martin in my opinion
- digitalbath

I agree. We'd be trading a young, creative winger that will could score 20+ a season (maybe the next 6-10 years) for a 33 year old 2nd pair defenseman that might leave after one season. And when you think about it like that, the idea is pretty silly.

I remember thinking Athanasiou was going to be a great pick for you guys. Kid has speed to burn.
- BetterCallSaul

Agreed. As the RWC blurb points out, I really hope he rounds his overall game into form. He would be perfect as a third line scoring threat if he can play some defense. With Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Mantha lining up for top 6 jobs he will need to make himself useful as more than just a scorer.

I agree. We'd be trading a young, creative winger that will could score 20+ a season (maybe the next 6-10 years) for a 33 year old 2nd pair defenseman that might leave after one season. And when you think about it like that, the idea is pretty silly.
- houseofcards74

1st Pair pal. And 1st pair Team USA as well. Perhaps you guys don't know much about his game but he's very steady.

1st Pair pal. And 1st pair Team USA as well. Perhaps you guys don't know much about his game but he's very steady.
- Barnaby36

1st of all, we don't need Martin,
Secondly, we don't trade with Penguins.

I don't know what kind of trade proposal the Penguins would make but I just can see Martin on a Red Wings jersey. He would be good there. Tatar could be pretty good for our top 6 since Dupuis and Kunitz aren't getting any younger.
- Barnaby36

Martin has limited value at his age and 1 year on his contract. Although I disagree with the masses and think Tatar is better than Nyquist, you wouldn't come close to getting either of them with a package based around Martin.

1st Pair pal. And 1st pair Team USA as well. Perhaps you guys don't know much about his game but he's very steady.
- Barnaby36

Well thanks for enlightening us, chief

1st Pair pal. And 1st pair Team USA as well. Perhaps you guys don't know much about his game but he's very steady.
- Barnaby36

He's steady? Steady sounds like a word I would use to describe a 2nd pair dman.

Detroit has been struggling to scrape its way into the playoffs for the last couple of seasons. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, and Kronwall are/will be 36, 34, 35, and 33 this upcoming season. Alfredsson, if he comes back, will be 42.

I just don't think it makes much sense for a team in Detroit's position to trade talented guys in their early-to-mid-20s (both of whom still have one more RFA round to go) for older players, even if the deal is "fair" or "fits a need" in hockey terms. It might provide a little boost in the short term, maybe, but it's not going to transform the Red Wings into a title contender and it'll give them even less to work with should a rebuild become necessary a year or two down the line. The last thing we need is more Jarnkrok-for-Legwand short-term thinking.

I think Detroit needs to figure out what they're going to get out of Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, and all their promising AHL blueliners before they can seriously entertain the idea of flipping youth for veteran fixes. Ultimately the problem is that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall (not to mention Lidstrom) will need to be replaced sooner rather than later, and a Nyquist-for-Martin-plus type deal moves them further from that, not closer.

Detroit has been struggling to scrape its way into the playoffs for the last couple of seasons. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, and Kronwall are/will be 36, 34, 35, and 33 this upcoming season. Alfredsson, if he comes back, will be 42.

I just don't think it makes much sense for a team in Detroit's position to trade talented guys in their early-to-mid-20s (both of whom still have one more RFA round to go) for older players, even if the deal is "fair" or "fits a need" in hockey terms. It might provide a little boost in the short term, maybe, but it's not going to transform the Red Wings into a title contender and it'll give them even less to work with should a rebuild become necessary a year or two down the line. The last thing we need is more Jarnkrok-for-Legwand short-term thinking.

I think Detroit needs to figure out what they're going to get out of Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, and all their promising AHL blueliners before they can seriously entertain the idea of flipping youth for veteran fixes. Ultimately the problem is that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall (not to mention Lidstrom) will need to be replaced sooner rather than later, and a Nyquist-for-Martin-plus type deal moves them further from that, not closer.
- Sven22

100% truth right here. Perfectly done sir.

1st Pair pal. And 1st pair Team USA as well. Perhaps you guys don't know much about his game but he's very steady.
- Barnaby36

If he's so wonderful. Keep him. Or sign him to an extension and then his value depending on cap hit would increase for us. We aren't interested in a rental considering Tatar just signed for 3 years. Just not worth it.

If he's so wonderful. Keep him. Or sign him to an extension and then his value depending on cap hit would increase for us. We aren't interested in a rental considering Tatar just signed for 3 years. Just not worth it.
- digitalbath

Trust me the Penguins would've signed him to an extension already but I think he'll get more than $6M/season on his next contract. Even though he's 33 he's a gym freak and is not showing signs of slowing down so far. The Ehrhoff signing was very good so now we have leverage to think about trading Martin or keeping him @ a reasonable price.

Well thanks for enlightening us, chief
- houseofcards74

It was directed to the wackos that tried to downgrade him. Peace out.

Trust me the Penguins would've signed him to an extension already but I think he'll get more than $6M/season on his next contract. Even though he's 33 he's a gym freak and is not showing signs of slowing down so far. The Ehrhoff signing was very good so now we have leverage to think about trading Martin or keeping him @ a reasonable price.
- Barnaby36

Don't get me wrong Martin is a great Defenseman but I have a gut feeling he's going to listen to many offers after this season and cash in on whatever deal is most lucrative. No point in trading away someone who's younger and has a cheap multi year deal for that even if there is a "plus" attached to the deal. We would rather be the ones sending Tatar plus some for a better Defenseman who has more than a year left in contract.

Detroit has been struggling to scrape its way into the playoffs for the last couple of seasons. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, and Kronwall are/will be 36, 34, 35, and 33 this upcoming season. Alfredsson, if he comes back, will be 42.

I just don't think it makes much sense for a team in Detroit's position to trade talented guys in their early-to-mid-20s (both of whom still have one more RFA round to go) for older players, even if the deal is "fair" or "fits a need" in hockey terms. It might provide a little boost in the short term, maybe, but it's not going to transform the Red Wings into a title contender and it'll give them even less to work with should a rebuild become necessary a year or two down the line. The last thing we need is more Jarnkrok-for-Legwand short-term thinking.

I think Detroit needs to figure out what they're going to get out of Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, and all their promising AHL blueliners before they can seriously entertain the idea of flipping youth for veteran fixes. Ultimately the problem is that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall (not to mention Lidstrom) will need to be replaced sooner rather than later, and a Nyquist-for-Martin-plus type deal moves them further from that, not closer.
- Sven22

I completely agree with this sentiment. Trading away our potential top 9 roster at this point isn't really what we should be doing. We've got a ton of potential in the forward line up, not too mention quite a bit in the defensive and goaltending positions. The only reason I could see us needing to trade away some of our wingers/defensive prospects is for a high pick in 2015 or for a potential number 1 center, that being the Wings biggest deficit (I really don't see ANYONE in our prospect pool who is better than a good/solid 2C)