Ed Stein: Thinking Way Outside the Box - Johnny Hockey A swap of RFAs

That is indeed way out of the box.

Also, I know you said it they shouldn't offer sheet him, but Johnny can't be offer-sheeted.

That is indeed way out of the box.

Also, I know you said it they shouldn't offer sheet him, but Johnny can't be offer-sheeted.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

When people think of acquiring a RFA, an offer sheet comes to mind. I wanted to immediately rule it out.

That'd be a crazy trade, but one that I'd certainly do from Calgary's perspective. Gives them the best top-4 in the league (with only Nashville even close) and replaces most of the scoring they lost with Rakell (safe bet for 45-55 points) and Lindholm (safe bet for 30-40 points). I can see why others wouldn't take it (star power, clutchness, etc) but if they wanted to really adhere to the idea that defense wins championships I don't think it gets much better than:

Giordano- Brodie
Lindholm- Hamilton

On an aside, is it really seeming like Lindholm isn't appropriately valued by Ducks management? He's your team's best Dman by most methods of evaluation.

That would leave one of those four open for the expansion draft. Or if they did protect 4 defense then one of their good forwards will be taken

That would leave one of those four open for the expansion draft. Or if they did protect 4 defense then one of their good forwards will be taken
- Santo_44

Who would they have to protect at forward? Monahan, Bennett, Rakell, and Backlund (maybe Frolik). So they maybe lose one of Frolik or Brouwer? In my opinion, that's an easy price to pay to have likely the best D in the league.

Interesting proposal, but definetley not one I want to consider for the ducks. I would love to know what the hell are front office was smoking/shooting up this off season

Keep puffing on that pipe, no way in hell the Flames are giving up Johnny Hockey!

Fun to think about but the expansion draft ends talks of this trade pretty quick.

Fun to think about but the expansion draft ends talks of this trade pretty quick.
- fry

But just picture the D corps Giordano, Brodie, Lindholm, AND Hamilton all locked up long term. Subban, Josi, Ekholm, and Ellis come close, but no one else would even be in the same ballpark.

Value might be somewhat close, but no way Calgary considers it since they already have Gio, Brodie and Hamilton.

But just picture the D corps Giordano, Brodie, Lindholm, AND Hamilton all locked up long term. Subban, Josi, Ekholm, and Ellis come close, but no one else would even be in the same ballpark.
- MaximumBone

But then they lose a guy who can get 80 points each season. Every team needs a difference maker like him if you want to win.

But then they lose a guy who can get 80 points each season. Every team needs a difference maker like him if you want to win.
- Santo_44

He keeps going up too. We could be losing a 95 point player.

I'm a huge Johnny Hockey fan and a Flames diehard fanatic. I do that trade, any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I love Johnny, (as a player!), but that's the kind of trade that instantly makes Calgary a threat to win the cup, so deep on the blueline, under the cap, and if Sam Bennett ups his game and Matthew Tkachuk can develop throughout the year as I believe they can, the Flames could legitimately win the cup THIS year and be in contention for years forward. I then protect all 4 Dmen, Bennett, Monahan, Rakell, Backlund and Elliott (who will be resigned before the end of the year). LV would probably take Frolik not Brouwer, and that's not good, but they can live with that. Go Flames Go!

When people think of acquiring a RFA, an offer sheet comes to mind. I wanted to immediately rule it out.
- Ed Stein

Understood, that's how I read the article. Just wanted to make sure.

Lindholm for Johnny Hockey is one I would entertain ... not be thrilled about but consider - but RR thrown in ??? put the cap back on the glue Ed ... No WAY those 2 equal JH ... that is just silly -

Lindholm for Johnny Hockey is one I would entertain ... not be thrilled about but consider - but RR thrown in ??? put the cap back on the glue Ed ... No WAY those 2 equal JH ... that is just silly -
- dozerD10

Hall for lindholm would have been interesting

I think the ducks end up selling low on fowler towards the end of camp.

But then they lose a guy who can get 80 points each season. Every team needs a difference maker like him if you want to win.
- Santo_44

But you'd be gaining one of the brightest up-and-coming Dmen in the league (already top pairing quality) as well as a 23 year old C/RW that figures to produce around 50 points per season. I think you've still got a few difference makers in Bennett, Monahan, and Tkachuk while having some solid veteran support in Backlund, Frolik, and Brouwer. Just my opinion, but I don't think every team needs a Patty Kane to win a Cup (Boston and LA didn't).

Hall for lindholm would have been interesting

I think the ducks end up selling low on fowler towards the end of camp.
- Tumbleweed

I would've been really pleased with that trade, but it would've necessitated the trading of a LHD or two to fill up the right side. Nothing wrong with that per say, but Larsson really fills a huge hole for the team.

Hall for lindholm would have been interesting

I think the ducks end up selling low on fowler towards the end of camp.
- Tumbleweed

From my perspective D are always worth more than F - ... but I think the prevailing thought league wide is that 47 is really on the cusp of being something special on the back end - and so young with already 3 seasons under his belt - and just getting better - I really hope that at this point and time the Ducks would just quit letting Cam twist in the wind and be done with it - Maybe there is something to be done with Leafs / Carolina /Mtl or Ott but Murray is just screwing this up at this point and time -

From my perspective D are always worth more than F - ... but I think the prevailing thought league wide is that 47 is really on the cusp of being something special on the back end - and so young with already 3 seasons under his belt - and just getting better - I really hope that at this point and time the Ducks would just quit letting Cam twist in the wind and be done with it - Maybe there is something to be done with Leafs / Carolina /Mtl or Ott but Murray is just screwing this up at this point and time -
- dozerD10

To get any kind of scoring help, Murray has to move out apx. $7M of existing contracts.

To get any kind of scoring help, Murray has to move out apx. $7M of existing contracts.
- Ed Stein

Well let's look at that - Despres 3.7 / Silf / Stoner / Cam - that's what 14 right there - plus there are probably some other contracts that are not essential to the team - that can be moved throughout the league - any combo of some of those guys with a wiling trading partner can get you 47 & 67 done along with a little scoring - and having ST replace Cam or Simon and Stoner with all the extra D men Ducks have should not be a problem -

Interesting to think about, but if Hall nets you Larsson, then the Ducks should certainly not have to throw in Rakell to make this happen.

Two things....

Calgary wouldn't do the deal because hey already have an excellent d-core. Hampus would just be in another situation where he wouldn't be deployed to his full advantage.

Anaheim wouldn't do the deal because it is just too much and Lindholm is going to be a superstar.

My problem with Anaheim is how they utilize him....it drives me nuts. To see Fowler out there every power play and Hampus sitting on the bench, just waiting to kill penalties, it kills me.

I think Anaheim have Fowler all that time this year in hopes that they would be able to sell high (which hasn't happened). Thy have a history of showcasing players for an entire year to maximize offseason trade value.

I also believe that Hampus is holding out for Ekblad money....and why not? Almost anyone out there would say that they have similar career arcs....and in fact a lot of people would take Hampus over Ekblad.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Because of his contract demands....I think he will be moved, as crazy as it is.

The thing is Gaudreau is money, literally .His type of game increases T.V ratings which put dollars in the coffers.It is a fair offer, but Calgary would respectfully decline .If The Ducks were offering Lindholm and a first for Hull and the Oil didn't take it ?....well I am in a good mood at the moment and would rather not ponder it .

It's been a long summer here in Anaheim, and I think everyone is just waiting for when the dominos will finally start to fall. This is certainly a different take on the logjam on Anaheim's blueline. The nay for me on this trade takes into consideration round 2 of the new playoff format. Los Angeles and San Jose require strong matchups, and a big part of that is strong depth players. If this team continues to rely heavily on the forecheck game remains to be seen, but letting two top tier depth players go for an undersized star won't pan out well in the playoffs.

Depth and this team is something I've been kicking around all summer. Although the Ducks had stellar power play numbers, they were 26th overall in 5v5 scoring. Getzlaf and Perry can be relied on to put up solid numbers, but the depth scoring wasn't there for Anaheim. Why did a roster of this talent level struggle severely at even strength? IMO the urgency wasn't there. When Thompson or Cogliano got the puck on their stick were they thinking, "get my head up, put the game on my shoulders, and create a scoring chance." or were they thinking, "pass it to #15 or #17?"

This team has a bad habit of the depth players always looking to pass, and I think Bruce Boudreau did a bad job of getting the depth players to take initiative. Los Angeles, Chicago and Pittsburgh have a team culture where the depth players step up, take initiative, and make a play. Meanwhile, when Anaheim gets in the heat deep in a playoff series everyone is looking around. They get the "look-its." Between that, and the stupid penalties maybe even Edmonton could give the Ducks a run for their money in a 7-game series.

There must be more brain with the brawn. Carlyle's worth, for me, will be measured by how Silfverberg, Cogliano, Despres, Manson, Bieksa, Garbutt, Raymond and Vermette do in the heat. Every player on the Ducks roster is better than what they exemplified last season, and they'll continue to underperform if they don't have a coach harping urgency and an, "I need more from you right now" mentality.

Urgency, initiative and disciplined play will be the deciding factors for this group.