Jared Crozier: The Murray Legacy Summed Up In 3 Words: Tarasenko > Turris > Rundblad

Dont forget Elliott, Bishop, Fisher, Vermette for Pacal Leclaire...
And thats just Eugene double speak he never said no to a player.
He says no to spending money.
Heard an interview the other week where he was being compared to Harold Ballard
Eugene Ballard.
I hope that sticks...

Dont forget Elliott, Bishop, Fisher, Vermette for Pacal Leclaire...
And thats just Eugene double speak he never said no to a player.
He says no to spending money.
Heard an interview the other week where he was being compared to Harold Ballard
Eugene Ballard.
I hope that sticks...
- JN1980

Elliott went for Anderson. They won.
Bishop cost them a second. They traded him for Conacher and a 4th (Lindberg). They lost.

Fisher they traded for a 1st. They drafted Noesan with that pick who went in the Ryan deal.

Vermette went for Leclaire and a 2nd (Lehner). They lost that deal I guess. But they traded Lehner for a 1st (White) and may win that big time. So who knows.

Elliott went for Anderson. They won.
Bishop cost them a second. They traded him for Conacher and a 4th (Lindberg). They lost.

Fisher they traded for a 1st. They drafted Noesan with that pick who went in the Ryan deal.

Vermette went for Leclaire and a 2nd (Lehner). They lost that deal I guess. But they traded Lehner for a 1st (White) and may win that big time. So who knows.
- BodyCheckRadio

The list goes on. Some good deals. Some bad. Where Murray loses big time is his over valuation of players. Cowen. Greening. Boro. Few more too.

OK I know everyone is tired and it an early off season.

First, Bryan Murray draft legacy in Ottawa is primarily about trading up to be able to draft Karlsson.

Tarasenko was never a factor. Russians were not acceptable so the Rundblad for Turris swap is solid.

The idea that not drafting Tarasenko is critical factor is just lazy effort or people are a little fried from the season ending boredom.

Elliott went for Anderson. They won.
Bishop cost them a second. They traded him for Conacher and a 4th (Lindberg). They lost.

Fisher they traded for a 1st. They drafted Noesan with that pick who went in the Ryan deal.

Vermette went for Leclaire and a 2nd (Lehner). They lost that deal I guess. But they traded Lehner for a 1st (White) and may win that big time. So who knows.
- BodyCheckRadio

I would say Anderson/Elliott was a wash as their lifetime stats are similar, Noesan was a part of the Ryan deal, deal would have still happened without him.
Spezza/Vermette/Fisher is a strong lineup down the middle even in today's NHL

Another big trade coming. Sounds like Dorion wants to make changes to the core group and get more of 2 way players (Ladd, Ericson, Backes). My guess is Hoffman or Ryan go and the return better be good, he can't afford to lose another trade for the Sens.

He won't find a better goal scorer than Hoffman in the market.

He won't find a better goal scorer than Hoffman in the market.
- TheCalSen

True, but i think he's willing to sacrifice some scoring for more grit, 2 way play. But who knows if it's these 2 players or someone else in the lineup / prospect.

How about the 7, 8 teams that could of had Tarasenko. Probably 10 if you consider who teams took.

Let's see where Turris finishes when healthy for 82 games now.

The difference between Turris and Tarasenko is good player vs great - which may be what you were trying to say , I don't know, I didn't read it yet lol

The Tarasenko > Turris > Rundblad is misleading, given the history of Russian Sens I doubt Tarasenko would have been a consideration had the Sens kept that pick, and based on the way Tarasenko fell from the top 6 in that draft teh Sens were not the only team shy of drafting a Russian.

The Sens were rumored to have wanted Jaden Schwartz taken at #14... Personally I wish they held on to the pick and took Nick Bjugstad

We need to remember that the trade was for the pick not the player, theoretically St Louis could have taken Joey Hishon who was next.

sens really cock blocked the Avs with that trade

The Tarasenko > Turris > Rundblad is misleading, given the history of Russian Sens I doubt Tarasenko would have been a consideration had the Sens kept that pick, and based on the way Tarasenko fell from the top 6 in that draft teh Sens were not the only team shy of drafting a Russian.

The Sens were rumored to have wanted Jaden Schwartz taken at #14... Personally I wish they held on to the pick and took Nick Bjugstad

We need to remember that the trade was for the pick not the player, theoretically St Louis could have taken Joey Hishon who was next.

You mean Yashin, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Saprykin and Ilya Zubov? Not the greatest list, but by no means the worst list. A 40 goal/90 point elite center (who got us another elite 90 point center and the 2nd best d man we've ever had through trade) in terms of when he was here, a top pair shutdown d, a 2nd pair powerplay quarterback, a quality fourth line scorer on a Stanley Cup finalist, and a failed prospect? Hardly a list of failures.

We fell into a trap of Murray's nationalist biases that prevented us from being willing to consider the best player available because of Murray's desire for a guy that at the time appeared to be an elite pmd prospect. Not a bad trade off, but no one should judge people for decisions after years of 20/20 hindsight.

I think the best thing Murray did for this team was shine poop into gold in terms of his late round draft picks. Smith, Hoffman, Stone, Boro, Wideman, Pageau, Claesson, Dzingel, Perron, among others and guys from last year like Ahl and Chlapik who most have never even heard of yet (the same way none of us had heard of or believed in Stone two years before his breakout season) are a pretty good takeaway from picks beyond the second round. I'll always admire Murray for his prowess at hiring elite scouts, it's been the main thing that's kept this team afloat and fans interested the last few years.

The Tarasenko > Turris > Rundblad is misleading, given the history of Russian Sens I doubt Tarasenko would have been a consideration had the Sens kept that pick, and based on the way Tarasenko fell from the top 6 in that draft teh Sens were not the only team shy of drafting a Russian.

The Sens were rumored to have wanted Jaden Schwartz taken at #14... Personally I wish they held on to the pick and took Nick Bjugstad

We need to remember that the trade was for the pick not the player, theoretically St Louis could have taken Joey Hishon who was next.
- Nimm

do you guys even read the blog, or just comment based on the title?

You're restating basically what Jared already said about the lack of Russians drafted.

Another big trade coming. Sounds like Dorion wants to make changes to the core group and get more of 2 way players (Ladd, Ericson, Backes). My guess is Hoffman or Ryan go and the return better be good, he can't afford to lose another trade for the Sens.
- tuna99

I would welcome this, I started thinking about that Brian Burke quote about Bobby Ryan when he didn't make the US Olympic Team toward the end of the season...
Have to say when he's on his game, scoring and back checking like a boss and making incredible passes he seems unstoppable, however he's lacked intensity for long stretches as well. Similar things could be said for other top paid players in our organization.... They lack desire and will when its needed and all seem to run hot or cold at once.
All the players you mention are UFA though, aren't they?
I hope we can hang onto Hoffman, Ryan? I wouldn't cry about that....
Was really on board with getting Fowler after a few of you guys mentioned it

Tarasenko is a non factor murray woud noy have take the russian....and the only other guy in the 1st Rd who's as good or better than turris is Kuznetsov (another russian). The alternative would have been to waste the pick. At the end of the day it's not Tarasenko > turris it's turris > hishon, watson, or tinordi......which is who Murray would have likely picked.

do you guys even read the blog, or just comment based on the title?

You're restating basically what Jared already said about the lack of Russians drafted.
- nikel

People aren't just responding to the blog. Turris has long been linked to Tarasenko by several sens fans, who always ignore the fact that Murray would never have drafted the russian.

You mean Yashin, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Saprykin and Ilya Zubov? Not the greatest list, but by no means the worst list. A 40 goal/90 point elite center (who got us another elite 90 point center and the 2nd best d man we've ever had through trade) in terms of when he was here, a top pair shutdown d, a 2nd pair powerplay quarterback, a quality fourth line scorer on a Stanley Cup finalist, and a failed prospect? Hardly a list of failures.
- ahjnkn

That's 5 guys, only 3 of which were any good, and 1 of which is arguably the msg hated player in sens history.

The lack of Russians isn't a nationalist bias (as you suggested) but rather a league wide decrease in drafting payers from that country due to the fear of hem bolting for the KHL.

Not sure why everyone is restating what Jared said in the blog about Russians, but the bigger theme that should be taken from this is Murray built a good team (Turris) during his time here. Not a great team (Tarashenko) or a bust of a team (Runblad).

For me, he will always be linked to the premature departures of the 3 best players this team has ever seen in Spezza, Alfie, and Heatley. Pretty black eye, even if he did get us Karlsson.

I don't mind his other moves overall. At least he tried to make this team better. You do have to take risks as a GM or be like Marc Bergiven in Montreal and just stay pat and hope you somehow win it all with one player.

I'm hoping Dorian is an active GM with a different mindset and not afraid to make a big change or two to try and redirect this team in a new direction.

Not sure why everyone is restating what Jared said in the blog about Russians, but the bigger theme that should be taken from this is Murray built a good team (Turris) during his time here. Not a great team (Tarashenko) or a bust of a team (Runblad).

For me, he will always be linked to the premature departures of the 3 best players this team has ever seen in Spezza, Alfie, and Heatley. Pretty black eye, even if he did get us Karlsson.

I don't mind his other moves overall. At least he tried to make this team better. You do have to take risks as a GM or be like Marc Bergiven in Montreal and just stay pat and hope you somehow win it all with one player.

I'm hoping Dorian is an active GM with a different mindset and not afraid to make a big change or two to try and redirect this team in a new direction.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Only issue I have with your post is listing spezza and Heatley as "greater sens" than karlsson.

Only issue I have with your post is listing spezza and Heatley as "greater sens" than karlsson.
- sensarmy_11

Karlsson is certainly in the same group. Will likely surpass Heatley (if not already) and Spezza very soon.

Don't forget how dominate those 3 once were. People are too quick to forget when players leave this organization. Yashin is arguable close to that group despite the perpetual hatred he indeed deserves. It's too bad Karlsson doesn't have that level of support on the roster yet.

Karlsson is certainly in the same group. Will likely surpass Heatley (if not already) and Spezza very soon.

Don't forget how dominate those 3 once were. People are too quick to forget when players leave this organization. Yashin is arguable close to that group despite the perpetual hatred he indeed deserves. It's too bad Karlsson doesn't have that level of support on the roster yet.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I remember how good they were........karlsson has 2 Norris trophies and is arguably the best dman in the entire league. As good as Heatley and spezza were, karlsson is better

I remember how good they were........karlsson has 2 Norris trophies and is arguably the best dman in the entire league. As good as Heatley and spezza were, karlsson is better
- sensarmy_11

Stick this in the pointless debate column.

Main point that should be taken from my original point is that we saw great players in Heatley, Spezza, and Alfie, all leave prematurely under Murray's rein. Sugarcoat each departure how you want, but the bottom line is we lost those 3 guys and still have not come close to replacing them. That's a black eye on ones rein as GM no matter how you slice it.

Karlsson is certainly the trophy for the Murray rein, but he lacks the supporting cast great players on this team had before him.

Stick this in the pointless debate column.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Fair enough

Karlsson isn't the best Dman in the NHL. He's the best offensive Dman & his skills put him in the top 3 for me regardless but I think if you polled all 30 GM's Doughty would be #1 on everyone's list. After that some would select Karlsson, some would select others but he would make the top 3 more times than not & top 5 every time. Others that would get consideration. Keith, Suter, Weber, Josi, Letang, Subban, OEL, Burns; my Norris winner this season, etc.