Ryan Wilson: Another Metric That Points To A Chris Kunitz Rebound Season Another Metric That Points To A Chris Kunitz Rebound Season

If plotnikov pans out as a top 6 winger kuni is the odd man out in my opinion. Duper is to much of a personality to lose and kuni has a bad contract for his production.

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Oh, sorry, wrong abbreviation...

If anyone has Serius XM radio and is interested, they are doing predictions this whole month for teams for next season and tomorrow is the Pens turn. I have to warn you though, the host, Jim "Boomer" Gordon is not high on the Pens at all. The funny thing is, the other team they are previewing is Vancouver and he thinks Brian Benning is doing a fine job.

Am I missing something? Didn't the Pens improve their team greatly, at least for next season by getting Kessel, Fehr, Bonino? The needed depth at forward and I think this goes a long way in filling that. The players they gave up for Kessel, Kapanen and Harrington; Kapanen was most likely not going to make the team next season or have minimal impact. Harrington may have made the team but I'm not sure how well he would have done. He played ten games last year and had no points and a -10. He also said earlier this year that the Pens didn't need Kessel because they have Kunitz.

He did predict after the Pens made the trade with Toronto that they would miss the playoffs next season.

So hopefully after he blast them tomorrow the Pens can have a pretty good season and make him look stupid.

Anyway, it is on at 4pm and repeats itself every 2 hours after that.

Ryan Wilson: Another Metric That Points To A Chris Kunitz Rebound Season
Another Metric That Points To A Chris Kunitz Rebound Season
- Ryan_Wilson

luv metrics. pens = king of metrics.

I hope Kunitz has a rebound year and the Pens are able to flip him for his last year and slot Plotnikov or Bennett in his spot.

Maybe I just don't understand this whole advanced stats thing but how are numbers Kunitz put up as a 27 year old 8 years ago relevant when he's now 35?

@rinaldo:

Actually this statement hasn't been true until this season. For everyone that poops on metrics, the 2015-2016 Penguins will be a huge test for the analytics brass. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

nothing on Sestito ? Not even an obligatory sentence?

If anyone has Serius XM radio and is interested, they are doing predictions this whole month for teams for next season and tomorrow is the Pens turn. I have to warn you though, the host, Jim "Boomer" Gordon is not high on the Pens at all. The funny thing is, the other team they are previewing is Vancouver and he thinks Brian Benning is doing a fine job.

Am I missing something? Didn't the Pens improve their team greatly, at least for next season by getting Kessel, Fehr, Bonino? The needed depth at forward and I think this goes a long way in filling that. The players they gave up for Kessel, Kapanen and Harrington; Kapanen was most likely not going to make the team next season or have minimal impact. Harrington may have made the team but I'm not sure how well he would have done. He played ten games last year and had no points and a -10. He also said earlier this year that the Pens didn't need Kessel because they have Kunitz.

He did predict after the Pens made the trade with Toronto that they would miss the playoffs next season.

So hopefully after he blast them tomorrow the Pens can have a pretty good season and make him look stupid.

Anyway, it is on at 4pm and repeats itself every 2 hours after that.
- stevens87

I've listened to a few of his season previews recently (PHI, CGY, CAR, NYI, WPG). The guy is an idiot.

Maybe I just don't understand this whole advanced stats thing but how are numbers Kunitz put up as a 27 year old 8 years ago relevant when he's now 35?
- rangerdanger94

Because the larger the sample size, the more reliable the prediction can be.

Hey the rookie tournament roster was released today. Came here for some conversation about that since it's the first Penguins related news that actually matters since the Sutter trade or the Cullen signing. And instead the topic for the day is some BS charts and graphs that would have been best served as early august, hey there's nothing else to talk about fodder. We play Montreal the 11th, Ottawa the 12 and Toronto the 13. If you could only go to one game which would it be. I think the obvious is Toronto to see Kapanan but it's also the first time Montreal has been there.

If anyone has Serius XM radio and is interested, they are doing predictions this whole month for teams for next season and tomorrow is the Pens turn. I have to warn you though, the host, Jim "Boomer" Gordon is not high on the Pens at all. The funny thing is, the other team they are previewing is Vancouver and he thinks Brian Benning is doing a fine job.

Am I missing something? Didn't the Pens improve their team greatly, at least for next season by getting Kessel, Fehr, Bonino? The needed depth at forward and I think this goes a long way in filling that. The players they gave up for Kessel, Kapanen and Harrington; Kapanen was most likely not going to make the team next season or have minimal impact. Harrington may have made the team but I'm not sure how well he would have done. He played ten games last year and had no points and a -10. He also said earlier this year that the Pens didn't need Kessel because they have Kunitz.

He did predict after the Pens made the trade with Toronto that they would miss the playoffs next season.

So hopefully after he blast them tomorrow the Pens can have a pretty good season and make him look stupid.

Anyway, it is on at 4pm and repeats itself every 2 hours after that.
- stevens87

Sounds like this guy is the exact opposite of an "expert" and quite literally a moron.

If plotnikov pans out as a top 6 winger kuni is the odd man out in my opinion. Duper is to much of a personality to lose and kuni has a bad contract for his production.
- Zac_O

A guy making 3.7 mil with the potential for 40+ points is bad value?

A guy making 3.7 mil with the potential for 40+ points is bad value?
- drummer829

You don't pay a 35 year old player based on his potential. That's for the young guys. You pay him based on his production. He very well could be a third line guy next season. Pretty pricey for an underperforming 3rd line winger.

Because the larger the sample size, the more reliable the prediction can be.
- jfkst1

yes, but you have to factor the age in sports !

Today @ 11:20 AM ET
If plotnikov pans out as a top 6 winger kuni is the odd man out in my opinion. Duper is to much of a personality to lose and kuni has a bad contract for his production.

How is Kunitz's contract a bad value for the production? In the 2 years Kunitz has played under that contract he has played 152 games with 52g-56a-108pts or .71pts/gm while being paid 7.7M for those 2 season, so basically over the 2 seasons of Kunitz's deal they have paid $7,130 for every point he has scored. To give this some context, in the same time frame Sid has played 157 games with 64g-124pts or 1.20pts/g, while being paid 17.4M or $9,255 for every point scored and Hornqvist has played 140 games with 47g-57a-104pts or .74pts/gm while making 8.5M or $8,173 for every point scored.

Even just looking at last years down year for Kunitz he was paid $9,625 for every point scored while Sid was paid $10,357/pt and Hornqvist was paid $8,333/pt. So if you are strictly talking about value for production as your post did, Kunitz and his contract have provided better value than both Sid & Hornqvist over the first 2 years of the 4 year deal and better value than Sid's contract last year. Getting .71pts/gm for 3.85M is very good value and even his .56pts/gm of last year was good value for 3.85M. If he rebounds at all from last years down season his contract will once again be a very good value for the Pens.

You don't pay a 35 year old player based on his potential. That's for the young guys. You pay him based on his production. He very well could be a third line guy next season. Pretty pricey for an underperforming 3rd line winger.
- Zac_O

The problem with that statement is that 40pts or .56pts/gm isn't an underperforming 3rd liner, it's closer to average 2nd line production and 3.85M for average 2nd line production is good value.

I Would actually like to see these lines in no particular order
Sprong Simon Sheary
Biggs Sundquist Loney
Rust Dea Wilson
Zlobin Krause Archibald
Lindo Gill Marcantuoni
Keilly

Pouliot Ruopp
Seymour Liberatti
Then it gets pretty sketchy on defense and of course you have Murray and Jarry

I hope Kunitz has a rebound year and the Pens are able to flip him for his last year and slot Plotnikov or Bennett in his spot.
- jfkst1

Bennett has to show he has a pulse. Don't hand him a spot just yet. He doesn't deserve a slot like that without proving anything.

Because the larger the sample size, the more reliable the prediction can be.
- jfkst1

So we can expect a 35/40-goal season from Lecavalier?

I'm banking on 50 points from Gordie Howe this year.

@rinaldo:

Actually this statement hasn't been true until this season. For everyone that poops on metrics, the 2015-2016 Penguins will be a huge test for the analytics brass. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.
- Victoro311

I think that the acquisition of Phil Kessel and a generally injury-free season will have more to do with the Pens' success than data analysis.

How is Kunitz's contract a bad value for the production? In the 2 years Kunitz has played under that contract he has played 152 games with 52g-56a-108pts or .71pts/gm while being paid 7.7M for those 2 season, so basically over the 2 seasons of Kunitz's deal they have paid $7,130 for every point he has scored. To give this some context, in the same time frame Sid has played 157 games with 64g-124pts or 1.20pts/g, while being paid 17.4M or $9,255 for every point scored and Hornqvist has played 140 games with 47g-57a-104pts or .74pts/gm while making 8.5M or $8,173 for every point scored.

Even just looking at last years down year for Kunitz he was paid $9,625 for every point scored while Sid was paid $10,357/pt and Hornqvist was paid $8,333/pt. So if you are strictly talking about value for production as your post did, Kunitz and his contract have provided better value than both Sid & Hornqvist over the first 2 years of the 4 year deal and better value than Sid's contract last year. Getting .71pts/gm for 3.85M is very good value and even his .56pts/gm of last year was good value for 3.85M. If he rebounds at all from last years down season his contract will once again be a very good value for the Pens.
- jaydogg1974

To extend that even farther, everyone's favorite fantasy Brandon Saad will need to have a career year this season and scored 62pts to provide the same production value that Kunitz has posting another 40pt season and he will need 168pts or 84pts each of the next 2 years to match Kunitz's 2 year value of his current deal of $7,130 per point.

To extend that even farther, everyone's favorite fantasy Brandon Saad will need to have a career year this season and scored 62pts to provide the same production value that Kunitz has posting another 40pt season and he will need 168pts or 84pts each of the next 2 years to match Kunitz's 2 year value of his current deal of $7,130 per point.
- jaydogg1974

Seems doable.

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