Jeremy Laura: Is Morgan Frost available “District Detroit” flub, quick Bally update

It isn't a Torterella team if he isn't blacklisting a young talent right?

It isn't a Torterella team if he isn't blacklisting a young talent right?
- Slappywaggle

Within hours of that article I quoted and linked the Flyers released a statement that they aren’t going to trade Frost and he wants to stay. Man these rag sheets love to fight!

Frost is not going anywhere. It would be Laughton and Konecny. Philly is rather deep at center and they are playing, maybe showcasing, the vets, Couturier, Laughton, Cates, and Poehling just fits better on the 4th line.

I would like to see Konecny come our way. Or maybe that spot is being saved for Kane.
If the Wings miss out on Kane, maybe they will shop for another scoring winger.

Florida will be a good test for the Wings... They really need to start focusing on the team defense first. The goals will come... They're allowing at least 3 goals per game which his not a great recipe for winning. To me Husso is an average NHL goalie (at best). Yes he can steal a game once in a while but I'm not sure how well he'd do in a playoff series. He lets in 3 or 4 goals every single game it seems.

Florida will be a good test for the Wings... They really need to start focusing on the team defense first. The goals will come... They're allowing at least 3 goals per game which his not a great recipe for winning. To me Husso is an average NHL goalie (at best). Yes he can steal a game once in a while but I'm not sure how well he'd do in a playoff series. He lets in 3 or 4 goals every single game it seems.
- Vladdie_Kon1

Ok, this is it. It feels like we had a good year with Ned, next year it was Husso, this year? I’m at the point where maybe we should give Lyon a shot and not hold him until he can go for a conditioning stint.

Frost is not going anywhere. It would be Laughton and Konecny. Philly is rather deep at center and they are playing, maybe showcasing, the vets, Couturier, Laughton, Cates, and Poehling just fits better on the 4th line.

I would like to see Konecny come our way. Or maybe that spot is being saved for Kane.
If the Wings miss out on Kane, maybe they will shop for another scoring winger.
- HenryHockey

With Kane, there was some write up saying he’d have to take 1m pro rated to play for NYR. I don’t think he wants to jump into this soup, but I don’t think he’d take that deal either. I don’t know, never say never but I haven’t gotten the feeling we’re even having talks.

With Kane, there was some write up saying he’d have to take 1m pro rated to play for NYR. I don’t think he wants to jump into this soup, but I don’t think he’d take that deal either. I don’t know, never say never but I haven’t gotten the feeling we’re even having talks.
- Jeremy Laura

Yeah, I am not banking on Kane signing for Detroit. I think he is signed before Dec , possibly by Thanksgiving.
But Detroit is leading the league in Goals but are letting in too many to be a competitor. They probably need to make a move for a stud Dman and trade off 2 lesser D and bring up Eddy. I wish the 2 that go would be Holl and Matta and bring in Hannifin. A pipe dream for sure, but what a D-core! Maybe all that gets done is to play Holl less, put Matta as 3 RD, and play Eddy as 3 LD

Czarnik has been restored to the active roster, his "demotion" just a paper transaction. Kane signs by 12/1; either Buffalo or Detroit

Ok, this is it. It feels like we had a good year with Ned, next year it was Husso, this year? I’m at the point where maybe we should give Lyon a shot and not hold him until he can go for a conditioning stint.
- Jeremy Laura

I've been saying all year that Lyon should at least get a couple starts to see how he does. There's no danger in that. Why protect him from waivers if he never gets a chance to play ? If he does play well his trade value will go up. If he beats out Reimer for the backup job then good on him for doing it.

I've been saying all year that Lyon should at least get a couple starts to see how he does. There's no danger in that. Why protect him from waivers if he never gets a chance to play ? If he does play well his trade value will go up. If he beats out Reimer for the backup job then good on him for doing it.
- Vladdie_Kon1

The Flyers are one of those and have made a move to get that extra goalie some playing time, announcing that they’ve assigned Felix Sandstrom to AHL Lehigh Valley on a conditioning loan. This happened 3 days ago, so Lyon should be eligible for a 14-day conditioning stint in Grand Rapids.

The Flyers are one of those and have made a move to get that extra goalie some playing time, announcing that they’ve assigned Felix Sandstrom to AHL Lehigh Valley on a conditioning loan. This happened 3 days ago, so Lyon should be eligible for a 14-day conditioning stint in Grand Rapids.
- HenryHockey

I'd like to see Lyon get some playing time. We signed him, now we're not playing him....at least a game or 2 to see what he can do, etc.... Now, we're playing well, overall, so MAYBE that has something to do with it, but still. If he sucks, let him go. If he does well, give him strategic game time....... Reimer's been good, for sure. Husso's been like my ex-wife: hot n cold and ya don't know what's next. We don't have strong enough D to constantly cover for Husso's horrible days, so something needs to give.

I'd like to see Lyon get some playing time. We signed him, now we're not playing him....at least a game or 2 to see what he can do, etc.... Now, we're playing well, overall, so MAYBE that has something to do with it, but still. If he sucks, let him go. If he does well, give him strategic game time....... Reimer's been good, for sure. Husso's been like my ex-wife: hot n cold and ya don't know what's next. We don't have strong enough D to constantly cover for Husso's horrible days, so something needs to give.
- mcmastermike1968

Reimer plays tonight, ya go with the proven tender. Lyon going on a conditioning stint to GR would give him 4 games in the next 2 weeks and then ya go from there. I would not start him for the Wings until you see him in game action.

Reimer plays tonight, ya go with the proven tender. Lyon going on a conditioning stint to GR would give him 4 games in the next 2 weeks and then ya go from there. I would not start him for the Wings until you see him in game action.
- HenryHockey

You do make a good case to get Lyon a few games in GR first.. before any starts for the Wings... I'd just be happy to see him play in GR for a bit. He's going to need some game action to get back in the groove. If he plays good for a few games in GR... there is no excuse not to give him a couple starts in Detroit. It's not like Husso or Reimer will suddenly start to dominate and play lights out consistently (have to see it to believe it).

Alex Lyon is never going to have any significant trade value. He is basically the textbook definition of a replacement level NHL goaltender. Even if for some reason he got into some games and went on a 15-game "hot streak," other NHL teams are smart enough not to trust small-sample numbers for 30-year-old career NHL/AHL tweener goaltenders.

I don't have a strong objection to playing him but I also don't think there's a particularly compelling reason to give him games either, as long as Husso/Reimer are healthy and playing more or less competently.

I'm also not sure a conditioning loan makes sense or would pass the smell test here. They want Cossa to get AHL starts, especially if he's playing well, and already have Hutchinson on a PTO for the first 25 games. I'd much rather have Cossa keep getting AHL reps than watch a guy we already know is a so-so AHL starter take his crease for up to two weeks. And if you put Lyon on a "conditioning stint" and then keep starting Cossa anyway, the NHL is going to see right through that and punish the Wings (correctly) for transparent waiver circumvention.

Of course if you kept the conditioning loan really short (1-2 games) and then bring Lyon right back up to the NHL, that wouldn't be as disruptive or sketchy. I also don't really see what the point of that would be. Sharpen Lyon with game action before using him in the NHL? He's the No. 3 on a team with a healthy No. 1 and No. 2. Unless one of those guys goes down there's really no reason he needs to play at all. The Wings don't need a three-goalie rotation.

Obligatory "I'm not Steve Yzerman and I don't know what the Red Wings are actually thinking," but I suspect Lyon is around basically because the team wanted to give Cossa every chance to be the Griffins' No. 1 (or at least 1A) but wasn't confident about how he'd perform and certainly wasn't comfortable with him as the No. 3 in the organization entering the season. Hence signing a veteran No. 3 (Lyon), then recruiting another vet goalie no one else wanted to sign (Hutchinson) to give Cossa an AHL rotation partner.

Lyon's there to provide insurance in the short term if Husso/Reimer go down and/or Cossa sucks. If Cossa is still playing well by the time Hutchinson's PTO is up (25 games) I would not be surprised if Lyon is sent down and, if he clears, Hutchinson is released.

Reimer plays tonight, ya go with the proven tender. Lyon going on a conditioning stint to GR would give him 4 games in the next 2 weeks and then ya go from there. I would not start him for the Wings until you see him in game action.
- HenryHockey

Yup, reading your reply & the two after yours, essentially what I was trying to say, probably shoulda said "get him game time SOMEWHERE...' what I get for "multi-tasking"

Interesting take on why Lyon was brought in, makes complete sense, but Lyon has to clear waivers, so even if he gets a "conditioning stint" and Hutch is let go, wondering how the heck Lyon clears. He does has a decent body of work last year in a high-stress situation, so there MAY be interest and he'd be claimed. That being the case, we lose Cossa's mentor......tricky situation. Cossa needs time to germinate, for sure. GR needs to have a sustained good run this year, those kids need to feel play-off hockey.

I honestly think it likely (not a guarantee) the Wings will push for SCPO WC slots, so we need to have a straightened out G situation as well as kids coming in who can handle NHL-level play overall. The whole 3 G thing struck me as odd, but posts above make it more understandable...... Appreciate it, guys!

Yup, reading your reply & the two after yours, essentially what I was trying to say, probably shoulda said "get him game time SOMEWHERE...' what I get for "multi-tasking"

Interesting take on why Lyon was brought in, makes complete sense, but Lyon has to clear waivers, so even if he gets a "conditioning stint" and Hutch is let go, wondering how the heck Lyon clears. He does has a decent body of work last year in a high-stress situation, so there MAY be interest and he'd be claimed. That being the case, we lose Cossa's mentor......tricky situation. Cossa needs time to germinate, for sure. GR needs to have a sustained good run this year, those kids need to feel play-off hockey.

I honestly think it likely (not a guarantee) the Wings will push for SCPO WC slots, so we need to have a straightened out G situation as well as kids coming in who can handle NHL-level play overall. The whole 3 G thing struck me as odd, but posts above make it more understandable...... Appreciate it, guys!
- mcmastermike1968

I think the logic here is that:

- NHL teams these days need 3 goalies who, at the very least, won't play like complete trash if circumstances force them to play some games.

- Detroit was/is not confident that Cossa could be one of those three goalies. However, for development purposes he really needed to be Grand Rapids' starter this year, which necessitates 3 goalies on the NHL roster (for now).

- If Cossa gets to a point where Detroit is comfortable with him being the No. 3, Lyon is redundant/expendable.

I'm not as confident as you are that Lyon would definitely be claimed. I think he'd probably clear. But again, the only way he'd be waived is if Detroit was ready and prepared for Cossa to be the No. 3 and Lyon was expendable. So if he clears you have Cossa/Lyon as your AHL duo and if he doesn't you have Cossa/Hutchinson/whoever as your AHL duo.

Yzerman is doing the same thing with D and in goal. He is stocked up, and will let time tell what his options are. If a goalie tanks, or a D man, he has a solid contingency plan in place, and ready to go.

I get it. We are all impatient with the future. However, the inconsistency of play has forced this strategy to be used for D and in goal.

I absolutely love the looks Ghost gives us on the PP. I’m more in favor of Holl, than I thought I would be. As for Petry, he is terrible, then great. As for Reimer, he has been surprisingly good. I’ve never paid much attention to him over the years, but I think his style of play is solid. He has swagger and confidence, which HUSSO doesn’t ever show. I like HUSSO, but we just haven’t seen him go to that next level and steal games.

I think the logic here is that:

- NHL teams these days need 3 goalies who, at the very least, won't play like complete trash if circumstances force them to play some games.

- Detroit was/is not confident that Cossa could be one of those three goalies. However, for development purposes he really needed to be Grand Rapids' starter this year, which necessitates 3 goalies on the NHL roster (for now).

- If Cossa gets to a point where Detroit is comfortable with him being the No. 3, Lyon is redundant/expendable.

I'm not as confident as you are that Lyon would definitely be claimed. I think he'd probably clear. But again, the only way he'd be waived is if Detroit was ready and prepared for Cossa to be the No. 3 and Lyon was expendable. So if he clears you have Cossa/Lyon as your AHL duo and if he doesn't you have Cossa/Hutchinson/whoever as your AHL duo.
- Sven22

I think it's highly unlikely Lyon would clear waivers given the current goaltender market. Given that he has yet to be waived, I would say Yzerman thinks so as well. There are several NHL teams currently desperate for the serviceable NHL goaltending Lyon has shown himself capable of providing. Yzerman won't lose a valuable asset for nothing, nor should he.