Zach Jarom: What To Do with Kane and Toews

Gut feelings are all anyone can use at this point. Buckle up for either some blockbusters, or a quiet trading deadline for the Hawks.

Thanks Zach - One thing you failed to mention is the agent has has much control in a trade than the GM.

quote=Chunk]If he throws his hands up and says that all I can get for a guy that should have multiple teams interested. In my own lizard mind, I believe he is worth a 2nd. That is where my argument stems. If neither KD nor the league believes the same, then I'm wrong (certainly not the first time for that - Hell, I was one of the idiots that said "just give JC more time").

I guess what I was trying to say was that I'd much rather that KD told everyone to pound sand than take lesser value than what the player is worth. Especially, in this particular case where Lafferty has another year on his contract. I personally believe that mindset would predict the issue I stated regarding the contracts.






I see your point, to me other than being able to see talent, one of the most important things a gm must be flexible. I don't want to get less than a 2nd rounder for him, but I'd be willing to take a 3rd, maybe i wouldn't take a 4th but maybe a 4th and 5th, or let's say a 4th and a prospect that fits your mold, i want as many swing and misses as i can accumulate, because if you have that pound the sand mentality when you're trying to rebuild all your going to be left with is sand.

I’m in the ranger fan minority wanting Kane. I still do. It has lost its luster a bit tho I’ll say that. Just the whole hip thing, age, etc. But I do think he’s the lesser of the evils as far as price/assets given up. As opposed to, Ie- Meier. I think we could get Kane for something like

1st this year (either one)
1st next year (top 10 protected)
Kravtsov
Zac Jones

I could live with that for sure. Idk if Chicago could but they may have to

Jones profiles as a PP guy. QB. Small but very sneaky on the ice. Has a very good wrist shot. Poor man’s Adam Fox kinda

Kravtsov has to be in the trade from a Rangers perspective. He needs a new org, but he isn’t some piece of garbage everyone makes him out to be. He’s going to be a good player in the right situation, that just isn’t in NY imo

If Kane wants to go to 1 team and one team only the package will be much less than you want. Hawks need a bidding war or return will be a 1st and a prospect only

I'm pretty much the only one who agrees with you Zach, Any team that wants to win a Stanley Cup should go after Toews. He's definitely worth a 1st round pick many think he's not, but on the flip side Lafferty is worth at least a 2nd and they shouldn't settle for anything less, i just don't get it

I’m in the ranger fan minority wanting Kane. I still do. It has lost its luster a bit tho I’ll say that. Just the whole hip thing, age, etc. But I do think he’s the lesser of the evils as far as price/assets given up. As opposed to, Ie- Meier. I think we could get Kane for something like

1st this year (either one)
1st next year (top 10 protected)
Kravtsov
Zac Jones

I could live with that for sure. Idk if Chicago could but they may have to

Jones profiles as a PP guy. QB. Small but very sneaky on the ice. Has a very good wrist shot. Poor man’s Adam Fox kinda

Kravtsov has to be in the trade from a Rangers perspective. He needs a new org, but he isn’t some piece of garbage everyone makes him out to be. He’s going to be a good player in the right situation, that just isn’t in NY imo
- Slimtj100

Just watch him play, he's setting his team mates up with great chances, i bet Panarin would be able to bury a ton of those shots like Debrincat did.

Thanks Zach - One thing you failed to mention is the agent has has much control in a trade than the GM.
- powerenforcer

Yeah this is very true as well, great point

I’m in the ranger fan minority wanting Kane. I still do. It has lost its luster a bit tho I’ll say that. Just the whole hip thing, age, etc. But I do think he’s the lesser of the evils as far as price/assets given up. As opposed to, Ie- Meier. I think we could get Kane for something like

1st this year (either one)
1st next year (top 10 protected)
Kravtsov
Zac Jones

I could live with that for sure. Idk if Chicago could but they may have to

Jones profiles as a PP guy. QB. Small but very sneaky on the ice. Has a very good wrist shot. Poor man’s Adam Fox kinda

Kravtsov has to be in the trade from a Rangers perspective. He needs a new org, but he isn’t some piece of garbage everyone makes him out to be. He’s going to be a good player in the right situation, that just isn’t in NY imo
- Slimtj100

I think Kane to the Rangers would have made more sense if it was made earlier on, I still think it can happen but at the end of the day is there confidence in this team to make a run at it this year and would the Rangers give up a lot for a rental in Kane or do they think he can sign him longer term? I still get very excited at the idea of watching Kane and Panarin together again.

Just watch him play, he's setting his team mates up with great chances, i bet Panarin would be able to bury a ton of those shots like Debrincat did.
- BetweenTheDots

Believe me, I don’t let the bozos who tell me this year means anything regarding him to actually mean a damn thing. It has no bearing on my opinion of Kane. I want showtime in Manhattan

Bread and Butter

Believe me, I don’t let the bozos who tell me this year means anything regarding him to actually mean a damn thing. It has no bearing on my opinion of Kane. I want showtime in Manhattan

Bread and Butter
- Slimtj100

They were so good together here

I'm pretty much the only one who agrees with you Zach, Any team that wants to win a Stanley Cup should go after Toews. He's definitely worth a 1st round pick many think he's not, but on the flip side Lafferty is worth at least a 2nd and they shouldn't settle for anything less, i just don't get it
- BetweenTheDots

I think the biggest thing people get wrong is that they are getting Toews as 1C. He isnt a top center anymore and given a lighter load I think that increases his effectiveness out there.

They were so good together here
- BetweenTheDots

You’d be surprised how easily dismissed this has been from our fan base. Boggles my mind

We don't know what medical condition is keeping Toews off the ice right now. I still wouldn't be surprised if he retires after this season. And we still don't fully know what injury is affecting Kane. All that before they try to figure out a trade that is worth waiving their clauses for, and the trading partners' team doctors weigh in. Yeah, I'm ready for the neither gets traded possibility, too.

I'm wondering, also, if we're just going to see Jack Johnson, AA, and Stalock moved for whatever. Maybe someone makes an offer they can't refuse for Lafferty. I still doubt they move Murphy or McCabe at the deadline.

I think the biggest thing people get wrong is that they are getting Toews as 1C. He isnt a top center anymore and given a lighter load I think that increases his effectiveness out there.
- Zach Jarom

Agree Zach.

I'd say he'd even be a second line center on a contender. We could use LBR's advance stats here, but he appears to drive possession on his line even with subpar linemates like Raddyish and Kurashev. He's much stronger on the puck this year than last and the FO ability is invaluable when the rest of your team is good. You'll definitely control possession with decent players on the ice with Toews as 2C.

In the end, contenders are in an arms race and both Kane and Toews could be the move to bring one over the top so they don't become the Predators or Sharks of years past.

Agree Zach.

I'd say he'd even be a second line center on a contender. We could use LBR's advance stats here, but he appears to drive possession on his line even with subpar linemates like Raddyish and Kurashev. He's much stronger on the puck this year than last and the FO ability is invaluable when the rest of your team is good. You'll definitely control possession with decent players on the ice with Toews as 2C.

In the end, contenders are in an arms race and both Kane and Toews could be the move to bring one over the top so they don't become the Predators or Sharks of years past.
- Popsghostly

Seems like Carolina is becoming the Preds of the east.

I’m in the ranger fan minority wanting Kane. I still do. It has lost its luster a bit tho I’ll say that. Just the whole hip thing, age, etc. But I do think he’s the lesser of the evils as far as price/assets given up. As opposed to, Ie- Meier. I think we could get Kane for something like

1st this year (either one)
1st next year (top 10 protected)
Kravtsov
Zac Jones

I could live with that for sure. Idk if Chicago could but they may have to

Jones profiles as a PP guy. QB. Small but very sneaky on the ice. Has a very good wrist shot. Poor man’s Adam Fox kinda

Kravtsov has to be in the trade from a Rangers perspective. He needs a new org, but he isn’t some piece of garbage everyone makes him out to be. He’s going to be a good player in the right situation, that just isn’t in NY imo
- Slimtj100

Rangers fan here..no way I give up all that for a 30 game Kane unless he signs a 3 yr 5M per deal. I give up Kravstov, who likely will become a top 6 forward and Jones..Hajek..Blais( any 2). Everyone talks about how well Kane and Bread played together but that Kane is in the past. If Kane only will waive to the Rangers that lowers the price. Not in love with over paying for him.

I love all the scribe talk everywhere, how Toews & Kane are going to meet with Davidson and discuss their rest of the season futures.

There is less than a month before the deadline, and unless you want to stereotype both players as dolts, the only thing left to discuss is JD texting them about which teams are interested, and both players reply, and then he uses the time to work something out.
Two trades already, two draft picks traded.
The trade season has started.

This "going to talk to the GM" horsefeathers just gets the press off their backs for a bit longer.

I think that if the Hawk arr truly interested in trading Kane, and the playoff teams don't want tp ante up, maybe Patrick agrees to go to the Sabres as they become contenders.
It just makes sense at this point that he goes there r-signs and the Omni buzzes with new excitement whether they are a playoff team now or next season.
They already have a strong young talent base, and a pick here and there or a n0on rostered prospect cannot mean as much as the native son's arrival home for the franchise. Am I right?

Rangers fan here..Everyone talks about how well Kane and Bread played together but that Kane is in the past. If Kane only will waive to the Rangers that lowers the price. Not in love with over paying for him.
- hfc355

As I look at Breadman's goal total, 12, how come "in the past doesn't apply to Panarin also? (SIX goals in 20 playoff games last year.)

Logically these two seem to be good playing with each other, especially when the tighter checking in the playoffs, they have confidence in playing together.

just saying.

When it comes to Cups, windows open to win them, teams think less about cost than they do about the possible end result of winning a Cup.
If you think nk your Rangers can win as is, fine.

Rangers fan here..no way I give up all that for a 30 game Kane unless he signs a 3 yr 5M per deal. I give up Kravstov, who likely will become a top 6 forward and Jones..Hajek..Blais( any 2). Everyone talks about how well Kane and Bread played together but that Kane is in the past. If Kane only will waive to the Rangers that lowers the price. Not in love with over paying for him.
- hfc355

If we’re trading Laf for Meier for instance, which is better?

The Kane extension is another bump in the road. Because I’m not sure they can offer him anymore than 3 million bucks a year. For 3 years (Panarins remaining years)…and that’s with finding a taker for Goodrow in the summer.

I believe there is another possibility. Why don’t we trade and resign for let’s say 4 years so they can retire as a A Blackhawk. We would get the best of both world and they would have a last chance of winning the cup.

As I look at Breadman's goal total, 12, how come "in the past doesn't apply to Panarin also? (SIX goals in 20 playoff games last year.)

Logically these two seem to be good playing with each other, especially when the tighter checking in the playoffs, they have confidence in playing together.

just saying.

When it comes to Cups, windows open to win them, teams think less about cost than they do about the possible end result of winning a Cup.
If you think nk your Rangers can win as is, fine.
- wiz1901

Didnt say they could win as is just said not giving up 4 assets to get a Kane for 30 games....think there are better forwards to be had for those assets.

They were so good together here
- BetweenTheDots

You can keep Kane.

Dude, I think that Kane is very much in the present. His team right now is bad. DeBrincat was < Panarin as a line mate and with Kane feeding him the Rangers go from a might contend to a will contend in the playoffs.