Kevin Allen: Twenty-five Thursday Thoughts: What an algorithm says about Eichel Twenty-five thoughts on a Thursday

I think it absolutely insane that GM’s that make millions of dollars to make hockey decisions would put trust in an algorithm. Why would teams need to employ any of these guys? Just put every player and pick in the computer and save millions!

Messier turned 60 in January

Messier turned 60 in January
- malenkadog

Brand new account…who is this??

It's Alex Tuch, not Alex Tuchs which you wrote three times. His name is in hundreds of articles the last couple days.

The Calgary offer was fake. If it was real Buffalo would have taken that in an instant.

Too bad about Caufield. You picked him for the Caldee right?

I call BS on the algorithm. Eichels "value " will be ZERO if the surgery is unsuccessful and he isn't able to pass a physical.

Can we all just wait a couple of years before we decide who "won" the trade?

Algorithms aside, it seems likely that Eichel’s value dropped in the last 3-6 months. Remember for a long time Adams was refusing to let teams see Jack’s medical records. Maybe realizing that Jack’s value was fluid, Adams recognized that time wasn’t necessarily on his side so sharing the records was a concession to realizing he would have to come down a little to get a deal.

Tuch is a known quantity and a heckuva player so it looks like much of the deal hinges on what Krebs does. Right now he has 0 points in 9 games. A lot of 1st round picks don’t pan out. The small sample view of Krebs is that he could be very good but right now at 20 like most players in that group, he needs to be more consistent and get stronger. None of those algorithms can measure character and attitude.

It's Alex Tuch, not Alex Tuchs which you wrote three times. His name is in hundreds of articles the last couple days.

The Calgary offer was fake. If it was real Buffalo would have taken that in an instant.

Too bad about Caufield. You picked him for the Caldee right?
- HockeyBuzzed

Dude, shut up

I like the concept of the algorithm, but the values assigned need to be accurate. According to the assessment, the 2nd round pick is worth 267 and Eichel is worth 781 (albeit reduced due to injury).

So that means 3 x 2nd round picks are worth MORE than Eichel. GMs hit on about 1 in 4 2nd rounders. And when I say "hit" it means a serviceable NHLer - not a 1st line cornerstone centre.

Some more algorithm math for you: a 1st and 2 x 2nds is fair value for McDavid. That's assuming he's rated above the "elite" category - otherwise the computer says it's an overpay.

Did my own algorithm.
1 superstar > 1 first round unproven pick + 2 unproven prospects
This is very simple logic. Jack Eichel at 50% is still >.
Adams couldn’t win this trade unless he received some free slot play.

Did my own algorithm.
1 superstar > 1 first round unproven pick + 2 unproven prospects
This is very simple logic. Jack Eichel at 50% is still >.
Adams couldn’t win this trade unless he received some free slot play.
- Camel

If Eichel never fully recovers Adams easily wins this trade.

if only there was some kind of spelling or grammar checking algorithm that could have been used on that point form batch of word vomit. I'm not even sure what Freddie Andersen did or didn't do in that paragraph you wrote about him.

Your math is off Camel, Sabres won by a landslide. As you have told us numerous times, Jack is a bust.

Kevin Allen: Twenty-five Thursday Thoughts: What an algorithm says about Eichel
Twenty-five thoughts on a Thursday
- Kevin Allen

The algorithm assesses the trade by assigning values to every player and every draft pick.

you mean just like nhl 2022

Oh so an algorithm that says Krebs is worth less than two 2nd round picks (look at the in article math) is the basis for determining the winner of the trade?

Weak

I like the concept of the algorithm, but the values assigned need to be accurate. According to the assessment, the 2nd round pick is worth 267 and Eichel is worth 781 (albeit reduced due to injury).

So that means 3 x 2nd round picks are worth MORE than Eichel. GMs hit on about 1 in 4 2nd rounders. And when I say "hit" it means a serviceable NHLer - not a 1st line cornerstone centre.
- ElbowingPenalty

Beat me to it

I like how this guy is selling his algorithm to teams. Like this is some new or novel concept. Pretty sure every team already has their own system to value assets. It also fails to account for real world factors. Like even if the model said Buffalo loses this trade...what was their alternative? There were no better offers. Keeping him was toxic. So your software is useless.

The algorithm concept is the hockey version of baseball’s Moneyball.

Did my own algorithm.
1 superstar > 1 first round unproven pick + 2 unproven prospects
This is very simple logic. Jack Eichel at 50% is still >.
Adams couldn’t win this trade unless he received some free slot play.
- Camel

Totally agreed.

Kevin Allen: Twenty-five Thursday Thoughts: What an algorithm says about Eichel
Twenty-five thoughts on a Thursday
- Kevin Allen

Adam’s himself said Tkachuk was never on the table!!

If the algorithm is based on Long term franchise impact BUF should win but GM's make those decisions all the time to win in the short term.

I think it absolutely insane that GM’s that make millions of dollars to make hockey decisions would put trust in an algorithm. Why would teams need to employ any of these guys? Just put every player and pick in the computer and save millions!
- TurdFergeson

Most GMs probably don't trust that algorithm.

It sounds counter-intuitive but these types of algorithms (i.e., expert systems) are often designed by people with expert knowledge.

It is just people with specialty knowledge trying to scale.

Chicago defenseman Seth Jones could have started better, but he does have nine
assists in 11 games and his Corsi is 55.0%

🧐

His Corsi is 46%

Chicago defenseman Seth Jones could have started better, but he does have nine
assists in 11 games and his Corsi is 55.0%

🧐

His Corsi is 46%


- annoyed

Not according to the algorithm. It also has Messier turning 60 this month even though that already happened 10 months ago. Sounds like the Buzztron.