Eklund
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010
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Best undrafted player of all time is Alexander Daigle.
Calder winner this year should be Alexander Daigle. |
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Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018
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Since you said we can't vote for Wayne Gretzy...well, how about I vote for Wayne Gretzky then. Game over.  |
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kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010
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Yeah, I said Hughes as well... Not jack. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010
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Since you said we can't vote for Wayne Gretzy...well, how about I vote for Wayne Gretzky then. Game over.
- Kooleus
How about Wayne Gretkzy?
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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011
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Martin St. Louis. Case closed. |
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Exactly. How can it be anyone else |
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Sven22
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007
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If we want to be super pedantic, there was no draft before 1963. So technically the correct answer would be either Bobby Orr (committed to the Bruins in 1962) or Gordie Howe. |
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Geoff Courtnall by far!
1,049 reg season games with 799 points
156 playoff games with 109 points
8 hat tricks
Should i keep going?
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MBlanchette75
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Montréal, QC
Joined: 07.21.2015
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Martin St. Louis has a pretty solid case for the best undrafted NHL player. |
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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012
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Best undrafted player: Tim Kerr
4 consecutive years of 54,54, 58 and 58 goals and another with 48. Best net front pp player perhaps of all time and he did it in an era where it was basically legal to mug a guy in front of the net. 370 goals and 674 career points in 655 games and finally, during his prime, his centers were usually Dave Poulin or Peter Zezel neither of whom was a top line center. |
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bluewaffle
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Hennywhere but here!
Joined: 07.07.2012
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Martin St. Louis. Case closed.
- AdamFrench
This is the correct answer and it's not even close |
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Leafsandbolts
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: Bradenton, Florida, FL
Joined: 08.14.2010
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Marty St Louis gets my vote |
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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012
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LOL, forgot that Gretzky wasn’t drafted. Oh well, game over. |
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bluewaffle
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Hennywhere but here!
Joined: 07.07.2012
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Geoff Courtnall by far!
1,049 reg season games with 799 points
156 playoff games with 109 points
8 hat tricks
Should i keep going?
- Tee56
Yup.... keep going until you get to Marty St Louis' stats |
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Sven22
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007
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This is the correct answer and it's not even close
- bluewaffle
I think you could make a decent argument for Ed Belfour but I tend to agree that St. Louis is probably the correct choice right now.
That said I think Panarin's 2019-20 season is probably more impressive than any single season from St. Louis. He just needs one or two more MVP-caliber seasons to take the top spot IMO. |
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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008
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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011
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I think you could make a decent argument for Ed Belfour but I tend to agree that St. Louis is probably the correct choice right now.
That said I think Panarin's 2019-20 season is probably more impressive than any single season from St. Louis. He just needs one or two more MVP-caliber seasons to take the top spot IMO.
- Sven22
https://www.eliteprospect...eague/nhl/stats/2003-2004 |
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bczup92
Nashville Predators |
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Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 07.15.2020
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Have to say Eddie the Eagle Belfour, very similar initial achievements (Calder and All-Star appearances) to Panarin and more, has a pair of Vezinas , has a Cup, and HOF career, all at probably a harder and more important position to play on a team.
St. Louis would be my next choice overall |
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GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning |
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Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013
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Martin St. Louis. Case closed.
- AdamFrench
Ditto. Marty has to be on any list and arguably at the top.
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1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Peter Stastny
3. Martin St.Louis
4. Adam Oates
5. Joe Mullen |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010
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Best NHL coach this year was, by far, Alexander Daigle. |
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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007
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marty st. louis was better than panarin |
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Gerk
St Louis Blues |
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Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008
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Yup.... keep going until you get to Marty St Louis' stats
- bluewaffle
Courtnall would head but St Louis into next week. |
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Sven22
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007
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https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nhl/stats/2003-2004
- AdamFrench
I based my initial quick impression using the adjusted scoring metrics from Hockey Reference, which strongly favor Panarin. But on closer inspection it looks like the calculations for 2019-20 are probably screwed up, so mea culpa there.
Still, 94 points in 82 games for St. Louis in the deadest part of the dead puck era versus 95 in 69 for Panarin, on pace for 112 in 81.
Scoring is 17.5% higher leaguewide this year than in 2004. Boost St. Louis' totals by 17.5% and you get ... 110 points.
St. Louis actually won the Art Ross / Hart that year while Panarin did not win the former and probably won't win the latter (even though I think he should), but you can argue Panarin had tougher competition.
At the very least it's close. |
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