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Bill Meltzer
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Jun 13 @ 8:35 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Assistant Coach Decisions Still Pending
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 13 @ 8:44 AM ET
Leaving us with a cliffhanger, eh?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 13 @ 9:05 AM ET
Leaving us with a cliffhanger, eh?
- PhillySportsGuy


I thought the same thing.....I refreshed it and it looks fixed.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:13 AM ET
FWIW

I would offer Murray the assistants post with the Flyers
I'd keep Mullen and Lappy
I'd be fine with the Goalie coach from UND

and, for the Phantoms
I'd offer the spot to Gord Murphy if he's interested, if not, I'd look for an up and coming younger coach from the Junior ranks.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:13 AM ET
I'd hate to not have Lappy back. As far as I'm concerned he became a Philadelphian for playing with a brain contusion. He's here as long as he wants.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:25 AM ET
Fire them all

Replace with guys I've never heard of please
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 13 @ 9:26 AM ET
That McIntyre kid is interesting. His numbers are really good and has no chance of ever being the Bs starter. Wonder if we could add him in a trade somehow?

benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:32 AM ET
They should at least keep Joey Mullen. their PP has been great the past few seasons.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:42 AM ET
FWIW

I would offer Murray the assistants post with the Flyers
I'd keep Mullen and Lappy
I'd be fine with the Goalie coach from UND

and, for the Phantoms
I'd offer the spot to Gord Murphy if he's interested, if not, I'd look for an up and coming younger coach from the Junior ranks.

- BiggE


Rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.


I just want new blood in the organization with a fresh approach to all these players. A new set of eyes on all these players in camp that might be able to extract more out of these guys. It's the perfect opportunity to bringing sweeping change in. Low expectations for next year I don't think keeping a guy like murray around is important. Let the new staff figure it out
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:46 AM ET
Rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.


I just want new blood in the organization with a fresh approach to all these players. A new set of eyes on all these players in camp that might be able to extract more out of these guys. It's the perfect opportunity to bringing sweeping change in. Low expectations for next year I don't think keeping a guy like murray around is important. Let the new staff figure it out

- Just5


Why would you replace Mullen? He basically oversees a powerplay that has been one of the leagues best since he got here?

Also, you've already brought in a new head coach with no ties to the organization and most likely a new goaltending coach with the same qualifications.

And Murray is highly respected around the league as an excellent teacher and if you are planning to build via the draft over the next few years he could be an asset. Plus, he has years of head coaching experience at the NHL level which should be helpful to Hakstol.

If you want to make a case to fire Lappy, that's fine. But I blame the lack of success on the PK more on personnel than I do on coaching.
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:48 AM ET
Thanks Bill. Speaking of Lappy, would you be able to discuss the problems with the PK, especially on the road? I don't know why it had become such a liability, when the previous season, if I recall correctly, it may not have been great, but it wasn't that bad either.
I have nothing against Lappy, but maybe some new blood would help the team out. Maybe the players stopped listening, or for whatever reason, a new tone may help motivate the players a little. However, what does that say about the players, and their character?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:51 AM ET
Why would you replace Mullen? He basically oversees a powerplay that has been one of the leagues best since he got here?

Also, you've already brought in a new head coach with no ties to the organization and most likely a new goaltending coach with the same qualifications.

And Murray is highly respected around the league as an excellent teacher and if you are planning to build via the draft over the next few years he could be an asset. Plus, he has years of head coaching experience at the NHL level which should be helpful to Hakstol.

If you want to make a case to fire Lappy, that's fine. But I blame the lack of success on the PK more on personnel than I do on coaching.

- BiggE


Our top pp unit will hum right along with anyone IMO. Like you mentioned its perssonel that drives it. G and Simmonds are elite PP guys. Our 2nd unit had been atrocious for awhile now. Last year, it was shocking If they got it setup at all
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 9:58 AM ET
Our top pp unit will hum right along with anyone IMO. Like you mentioned its perssonel that drives it. G and Simmonds are elite PP guys. Our 2nd unit had been atrocious for awhile now. Last year, it was shocking If they got it setup at all
- Just5


Again, I think the prob with the 2nd unit is more a combo of Personnel and time on ice than coaching.
They don't get much time to work with and had a couple of guys, mainly AMac and Umberger, who have no business playing on an NHL powerplay at this point.

Get Mullen some better talent for the 2nd unit and give em a bit more time to work with and I think you will see much better results. Giroux and Simmonds and Streit may be excellent on the PP, but don't sell Mullen short.
The 01-02 Flyers had guys like Recchi, Gagne, Primeau, Desjardins, Leclair and Roenick and had one of the worst powerplays in the league. No matter who you have out there, coaching makes a difference.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
Mullen is the only assistant I want them to keep. The PP under him has consistently been among the top 4 or 5 in the NHL.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 10:13 AM ET
Mullen is the only assistant I want them to keep. The PP under him has consistently been among the top 4 or 5 in the NHL.
- Jsaquella


Yup, if it ain't broke, et cetera..

Now I'm going back to that black book and make myself even more draft crazy!
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 13 @ 10:20 AM ET
That McIntyre kid is interesting. His numbers are really good and has no chance of ever being the Bs starter. Wonder if we could add him in a trade somehow?
- mochoson


Prior to Hakstol's hiring, I had read that McIntyre was going to have a month from the time he officially left UND to sign with Boston or he would become an UFA (like Schultz and Hayes). All indications were he was going to sign with Boston despite the presence of Subban and Rask, but I haven't read anything since. I'm unsure of the exact date he left UND to know the timeline either. But I have wondered if the combination of Hakstol's presence here, the Flyers' lack of goalies in the system, and the possible hiring of UND's goalie coach could influence him at all. Truthfully, the lack of goalies in the system behind Mason should be the most attractive thing of the three.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 10:20 AM ET
Yup, if it ain't broke, et cetera..

Now I'm going back to that black book and make myself even more draft crazy!

- BiggE


If Mullen had just had the first unit going, fine. But it's been good-and a strong point-pretty much no matter who has been on the team, since 2007 when Mullen came aboard
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:28 AM ET
Mullen is the only assistant I want them to keep. The PP under him has consistently been among the top 4 or 5 in the NHL.
- Jsaquella


Amen brother. They have to do something about the second unit too.

They should look at putting schenn on the 2nd unit, just to spread the wealth, per se. Put raffl on the top unit in schenns spot, schenn goes to his normal spot on the 2nd. Have the play running through read, DZ at the point, have coots on the opposite halfboard of read, and put ryan white, or cousins, or anyone who is willing to get feisty down low.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 10:36 AM ET
Amen brother. They have to do something about the second unit too.

They should look at putting schenn on the 2nd unit, just to spread the wealth, per se. Put raffl on the top unit in schenns spot, schenn goes to his normal spot on the 2nd. Have the play running through read, DZ at the point, have coots on the opposite halfboard of read, and put ryan white, or cousins, or anyone who is willing to get feisty down low.

- benjichronic


Biggest prob with the 2nd unit, IMO, is lack of a QB to run it. MDZ is good at jumping into the play and getting the puck on net as well as carrying it through the neutral zone, but he is not an elite playmaker. If you really want the 2nd unit to improve, they will need to move Jake or Streit onto that unit or bring in someone from the outside.
MatveiDmitrii
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 01.16.2015

Jun 13 @ 10:39 AM ET
I think it would be a little hypocritical to have fired Berube, but decide to keep Lappy and Murphy. You can't fire one guy because you didn't get the results you wanted but keep the others. They collectively under achieved as a staff.

Personally, with no disrespect to the assistants, I'd start over with a, whole new staff.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:41 AM ET
Biggest prob with the 2nd unit, IMO, is lack of a QB to run it. MDZ is good at jumping into the play and getting the puck on net as well as carrying it through the neutral zone, but he is not an elite playmaker. If you really want the 2nd unit to improve, they will need to move Jake or Streit onto that unit or bring in someone from the outside.
- BiggE


Maybe flip flop streit and mdz then? and keep schenn on the 2nd. You still have jake, g, and Simmonds on the 1st, along w/ raffl & mdz. That really doesn't look all that bad.

Second unit is coots, read, schenn, streit, white/cousins/ umberger(if he miraculously has some kind of improvement from being healthy, which I am not totally discounting). That second unit doesn't look that bad either w/ streit, schenn, and coots.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 13 @ 10:46 AM ET
Lappy seems like a great guy but the penalty kill was dreadful
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 10:46 AM ET
Maybe flip flop streit and mdz then? and keep schenn on the 2nd. You still have jake, g, and Simmonds on the 1st, along w/ raffl & mdz. That really doesn't look all that bad.

Second unit is coots, read, schenn, streit, white/cousins/ umberger(if he miraculously has some kind of improvement from being healthy, which I am not totally discounting). That second unit doesn't look that bad either w/ streit, schenn, and coots.

- benjichronic


It also depends on who they take with their first pick. If it's someone that they feel is "NHL ready" that guy may end up on the 2nd unit. If not, and if they don't add anyone via free agency, I'd try:

1st unit
Giroux
MDZ
Jake
Raffl
Simmonds

2nd unit
Streit
Read
Couturier
Schenn
Simmonds-I'd doubleshift him like they used to do with Tim Kerr and replace late with White.

Yeah, I'm using 4 forwards on the 2nd unit, and I'd replace Read towards the end with a Dman. I just can't stand AMac on the PP and I don't know enough about Medvedev to able to say that he can fill that role.

edit: pretty much what you said, LOL
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 13 @ 10:47 AM ET
Lappy seems like a great guy but the penalty kill was dreadful
- vejim


I blame that more on the personnel, especially the dmen and the loss of Hall who was, IMO, very underrated for his ability to win that opening faceoff and get them an easy clear to start things off.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Jun 13 @ 10:49 AM ET
Anyone else following the coyotes fiasco. They had lost 200 or 300 million when they were first up for auction. The owner said it didn't work out the way Mr bettman had told him

What are they now a total of a half billion or so in losses and the city of Glendale s suing to stop paying the yotes 15 mill to manage the arena.


Bettman farce failure at its worst
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