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Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Apr 24 @ 1:36 PM ET
Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Torts Shouts Grow Louder, Lack No Longer Going to Worlds The ticking of the clock on John Tortorella's tenure as Canucks' head coach grows louder, as Eddie Lack bows out of participating in the World Championships.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 24 @ 1:46 PM ET
I don't think you have to move everybody out. If we bring in a good GM, then who knows what deals he will be able to swing? If Hamhuis is moved out then maybe we are lucky enough to bring a younger version back? Wondering what Frankie will turn out to be? It looks like he wants to rush the puck.

With the right moves and a little luck, this is just a retool/refresh. We might be able to move out some pieces and get some back and sign a free agent or go with some youth from within... If we are drafting good picks and it looks like some of these guys are going to pan out then I don't mind if we miss the playoffs for another season or so. Just as long as you see youth developing.

Anyone thinking they will blow it up as much as possible and try to start from scratch?

- hillbillydeluxe


No way. Certainly not straight off the bat anyway.

I agree with Whiskey that this love of blowing up the entire team is ridiculous. I do believe we should explore trading several key members that have made up the core of this team over the past 5 years, but not every single player of value.

If we are shipping out D, Edler and Tanev should be the guys we look at dealing. Garrison too but his return would likely be less than his worth. It would be silly to trade Bieksa (who should be our captain) or Hamhuis (our best D).

If we are shipping out F, Kesler, Higgins, and Hansen would be the guys I'd dangle. Guys like Burrows and the Sedins would likely net less than their value at present. Booth should be placed on waivers but would more than likely be untradeable.

All this said if I'm GM I'd be listening to offers for everyone. It's the responsible thing to do. But listening to offers for everyone and trading everyone are two different things entirely.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 24 @ 1:47 PM ET
As I've said all along, I believe the Canucks will hire a new GM and leave the coaching decisions (not just for Torts but the entire coaching staff) to the new GM. I'm not sure how accountable a GM can be if the coaching decisions are all made for him by the president.
Jim_Robson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC
Joined: 04.02.2014

Apr 24 @ 1:48 PM ET
Carry over to Whisky Tango...
Laughton broke out offensively this year. He'd be a huge addition to the prospect pool.

Horvat = Laughton
Laughton > Gaunce
Laughton > Cassels
IMO

Everyone over a certain age has to go. Bieksa is too old, but he still has value so he needs to be traded. I'd like to see a group of young players of similar ages be brought in and developed together. I think that's the best way to expedite the reset.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 24 @ 1:55 PM ET
Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Torts Shouts Grow Louder, Lack No Longer Going to Worlds
The ticking of the clock on John Tortorella's tenure as Canucks' head coach grows louder, as Eddie Lack bows out of participating in the World Championships.

- Carol Schram

Thanks for noticing, Carol. If you get a chance do you mind letting Trevor know how I feel?


Dear handsome, young adult Jesus with long following beard to match your feathered hair style, could you please have the Canucks fire the living sh*t out of Torts? Amen.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 24 @ 1:58 PM ET
One positive for brining back Torts is that the core plyers will be more likely to waive NTC's and even be less picky about it, especially after he basically called them "stale" and said some of them have to go.


That's about the only positive I can come up with.
numbear
Calgary Flames
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.24.2011

Apr 24 @ 1:58 PM ET
Carry over to Whisky Tango...
Laughton broke out offensively this year. He'd be a huge addition to the prospect pool.

Horvat = Laughton
Laughton > Gaunce
Laughton > Cassels
IMO

Everyone over a certain age has to go. Bieksa is too old, but he still has value so he needs to be traded. I'd like to see a group of young players of similar ages be brought in and developed together. I think that's the best way to expedite the reset.

- Jim_Robson

If you want to develop a group of young players together like that. Bieksa is exactly the guy you want to keep. good work ethic, good personality, team first mentality.
He should be wearing the C next year.....Just like Mitchell should have before he left.

Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Apr 24 @ 2:09 PM ET
If you want to develop a group of young players together like that. Bieksa is exactly the guy you want to keep. good work ethic, good personality, team first mentality.
He should be wearing the C next year.....Just like Mitchell should have before he left.

- numbear


Bieksa isn't going anyway. You could put a gun to his head and threaten Russian Roulette to waive his NTC; he would still smirk at you and say "No Way"

Exactly, the guy who should be our new captain should management decide that the Sedins be transitioned into a secondary role.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 24 @ 2:11 PM ET
If you want to develop a group of young players together like that. Bieksa is exactly the guy you want to keep. good work ethic, good personality, team first mentality.
He should be wearing the C next year.....Just like Mitchell should have before he left.

- numbear


Absolutely agree.

On the topic of Bieska for Laughton straight up, i personally feel as though he holds a heck of alot more value then that while his value to this team surpasses any return he would garner.

Laughton was a 20th overall pick projected to be a third line center, of which we already have Horvat, Gaunce, Cassels!!!!! This is now his 5th season in the OHL, while Cassels for instance, only had 15 or so less points then Laughton in his "break out year".

How many third line center prospects do we need, most notably at the cost of one of the leagues most distinguished and sought after 3-4 defense man.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 24 @ 2:11 PM ET
As I've said all along, I believe the Canucks will hire a new GM and leave the coaching decisions (not just for Torts but the entire coaching staff) to the new GM. I'm not sure how accountable a GM can be if the coaching decisions are all made for him by the president.
- AlexF

But some people are to impatient, some needed Trevor to fire Torts within 24 hrs of being hired. What else are the mediatards in this town going to talk about when it comes to the Canucks. Stop reading what the mediatards write and stop listening to the radio talking monkeys, their job is to get the no minds riled up so they listen to/read the adds. Nothing is going to happen with the Canucks for some time, enjoy the playoffs, there is some really good hockey being played, oh ya the "Bruins are winning the cup". Have a BBQ and enjoy your families there will be plenty of time to pull your hair out over the Canucks.
Peace out brothers and sister.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 24 @ 2:13 PM ET
If you want to develop a group of young players together like that. Bieksa is exactly the guy you want to keep. good work ethic, good personality, team first mentality.
He should be wearing the C next year.....Just like Mitchell should have before he left.

- numbear


I agree, I'd keep Bieksa around for sure. Need some solid veterans for the young guys coming in.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 24 @ 2:17 PM ET
Thanks for noticing, Carol. If you get a chance do you mind letting Trevor know how I feel?


Dear handsome, young adult Jesus with long following beard to match your feathered hair style, and horrible BO because there were no showers or soap, and could never hold on to a single job/profession (fisherman, carpenter, profit), could you please have the Canucks fire the living sh*t out of Torts? Amen.

- Marwood


Fixed
Jim_Robson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC
Joined: 04.02.2014

Apr 24 @ 2:17 PM ET
If you want to develop a group of young players together like that. Bieksa is exactly the guy you want to keep. good work ethic, good personality, team first mentality.
He should be wearing the C next year.....Just like Mitchell should have before he left.

- numbear


He deserves that honour and he'd be a franking great captain, there's no doubt, but I'd argue that trading him for a top prospect would be more beneficial to this team right now.

#Swedish gm Tommy Boustedt tells me they have asked for #Canucks goalie Joacim Eriksson to play for them at the World Hockey Championships.

I like this news... I think he's going to be a good one
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Apr 24 @ 2:18 PM ET
I agree, I'd keep Bieksa around for sure. Need some solid veterans for the young guys coming in.
- Nucker101

Even if what is offered is B Schenn and 2014 1st?
then we bundle 2 first to move into top 2 with Buf. If Ekbald is still there I would do 6th overall and Philly 1st for 2nd overall. Maybe throw in a 3rd to sweeten the deal.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Apr 24 @ 2:23 PM ET
Thanks for noticing, Carol. If you get a chance do you mind letting Trevor know how I feel?


Dear handsome, young adult Jesus with long following beard to match your feathered hair style, could you please have the Canucks fire the living sh*t out of Torts? Amen.

- Marwood


I want to see him fired but laugh at this in Ian Macintyre's blurb:

"But Linden’s fairness may start to look like indecision or, worse, indifference to Tortorella’s right to know his future, if we make it to May without an announcement one way or another on the coaching staff."

The right to know his future? The guy is going to likely get a huge buyout. That is all he needs to know. I am more worried about the hockey team than Torts' feelings or the perception of Linden's treatment of Torts. Really trying to turn this into a soap opera.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 24 @ 2:23 PM ET
Bieksa isn't going anyway. You could put a gun to his head and threaten Russian Roulette to waive his NTC; he would still smirk at you and say "No Way"

Exactly, the guy who should be our new captain should management decide that the Sedins be transitioned into a secondary role.

- Chest Rockwell

Precisely!
Jim_Robson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC
Joined: 04.02.2014

Apr 24 @ 2:25 PM ET
Absolutely agree.

On the topic of Bieska for Laughton straight up, i personally feel as though he holds a heck of alot more value then that while his value to this team surpasses any return he would garner.

Laughton was a 20th overall pick projected to be a third line center, of which we already have Horvat, Gaunce, Cassels!!!!! This is now his 5th season in the OHL, while Cassels for instance, only had 15 or so less points then Laughton in his "break out year".

How many third line center prospects do we need, most notably at the cost of one of the leagues most distinguished and sought after 3-4 defense man.

- Whiskey-Tango


I hope so! He's almost 34 years old though...

I think B. Schenn and a 1st would be a king's ransom for KB3
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 24 @ 2:26 PM ET
I want to see him fired but laugh at this in Ian Macintyre's blurb:

"But Linden’s fairness may start to look like indecision or, worse, indifference to Tortorella’s right to know his future, if we make it to May without an announcement one way or another on the coaching staff."

The right to know his future? The guy is going to likely get a huge buyout. That is all he needs to know. I am more worried about the hockey team than Torts' feelings or the perception of Linden's treatment of Torts. Really trying to turn this into a soap opera.

- hillbillydeluxe

Just like Lombardi says, media retards.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Apr 24 @ 2:32 PM ET
No way. Certainly not straight off the bat anyway.

I agree with Whiskey that this love of blowing up the entire team is ridiculous. I do believe we should explore trading several key members that have made up the core of this team over the past 5 years, but not every single player of value.

If we are shipping out D, Edler and Tanev should be the guys we look at dealing. Garrison too but his return would likely be less than his worth. It would be silly to trade Bieksa (who should be our captain) or Hamhuis (our best D).

If we are shipping out F, Kesler, Higgins, and Hansen would be the guys I'd dangle. Guys like Burrows and the Sedins would likely net less than their value at present. Booth should be placed on waivers but would more than likely be untradeable.

All this said if I'm GM I'd be listening to offers for everyone. It's the responsible thing to do. But listening to offers for everyone and trading everyone are two different things entirely.

- AlexF


Blowing up the entire team sounds like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I am still trying to get my head around the notion of modeling the Canucks after the Bruins. Is it the whole organization- drafting, development and on ice play? And what are the steps to moving in this direction?

I don't disagree on who should go or stay.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Apr 24 @ 2:33 PM ET
Even if what is offered is B Schenn and 2014 1st?
then we bundle 2 first to move into top 2 with Buf. If Ekbald is still there I would do 6th overall and Philly 1st for 2nd overall. Maybe throw in a 3rd to sweeten the deal.

- Linden_4_Capt


I can't see Philly offering that.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 24 @ 2:34 PM ET
I hope so! He's almost 34 years old though...

I think B. Schenn and a 1st would be a king's ransom for KB3

- Jim_Robson


Of all the players with NTCs, I get the feeling Bieksa would be the least likely to waive.

Moving along...
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 24 @ 2:38 PM ET
I want to see him fired but laugh at this in Ian Macintyre's blurb:

"But Linden’s fairness may start to look like indecision or, worse, indifference to Tortorella’s right to know his future, if we make it to May without an announcement one way or another on the coaching staff."

The right to know his future? The guy is going to likely get a huge buyout. That is all he needs to know. I am more worried about the hockey team than Torts' feelings or the perception of Linden's treatment of Torts. Really trying to turn this into a soap opera.

- hillbillydeluxe


The media are doing their best to generate a brand new soap opera because there's nothing else to discuss right now and they've got to continue pumping out articles.

To be honest, after the sh!t hockey viewing Torts delivered to this city over the past season they should drag out the decision on his future for as long as possible in punishment.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 24 @ 2:39 PM ET
Of all the players with NTCs, I get the feeling Bieksa would be the least likely to waive.

Moving along...

- AlexF


Indeed, he himself has stated that numerous times
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 24 @ 2:40 PM ET
Of all the players with NTCs, I get the feeling Bieksa would be the least likely to waive.

Moving along...

- AlexF

He said as much. Stated he's going down with the ship.
Hoping Hank hands him the C at training camp.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 24 @ 2:41 PM ET
The media are doing their best to generate a brand new soap opera because there's nothing else to discuss right now and they've got to continue pumping out articles.

To be honest, after the sh!t hockey viewing Torts delivered to this city over the past season they should drag out the decision on his future for as long as possible in punishment.

- AlexF

In other news. The play off hockey has been fantastic to date!!! Forgot what it was like to watch a game with emotion, heart & passion.
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