Odds are against . . .

1) a majority of the Hawks top prospects panning out (let alone their prospects as a whole)
2) Shaw ever being that much better than what he was in 38 games last season
3) Saad living up to the hype this organization is already laying down over him

Let's all remember, Scott Howson is a hockey exec and Mike Milbury was one and so was Pierre Maguire. I strongly disagree with this exec you heard for one reason:

The Hawks best opportunity to win a Cup is RIGHT NOW, this year, next year, maybe the year after. Not five years from now when the world will know how good Brandon Saad and Mark McNeill are (or aren't).

I will pretty much guarantee you that—at best—Saad, McNeill, Danault, Clendening and possibly even Teravainen will not be as good as or better than Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith or Seabrook.

So why sacrifice a real shot right now for an uncertain and likely lesser future.

Afraid? Overwhelmed by the task at hand? Much easier to defer things based on "future promise" than make hard commitments today.

Bowman now has a reputation throughout the league for overvaluing his prospects.
- John Jaeckel

This sums it up.

** He's afraid to make a mistake.

** He's afraid of the outcome of a particular deal, that a trade would see this prospect "make it big" in 3, 4 or 5 years.

** He's afraid to "deplete" his minor league and prospects he built up by "going for it".

And what I'm afraid of is Stan Bowman being the GM of my beloved Blackhawks who took over a solid core group of players and FAILED to appropriately build them into a champion while the door was open to do so.

"For the third time in four years, Rangers General Manager Glen Sather snagged a top off-season prize, after signing the free agents Marian Gaborik, in 2009, and Brad Richards, in 2011.
“This quality hockey player doesn’t come along very often,” Sather said of Nash during a conference call Monday. “This is a very important deal for our hockey club.”
NY Times



Another team/GM that goes after championships.
- StLBravesFan

Rangers has gone after star players for years and look how many championships they´ve won. There is no shortcut to the Cup. And yes, I don´t think that Hawks are now good enough to win it all.

Bowman went after Parise, Suter and Brodeur. They didn´t choose Chicago is something that you can´t blame on Bowman. And last time I checked there is 29 other NHL cities. There were other teams that lost bidding on those players too (detroit, philly, pittsburg etc.). At least their fans are over it all ready..

I hear you guys! Was just saying. He has talent and could help the Hawks. Looking at what they have done so far tells me there is no help coming from the outside. Wish there was. I like what I have seen from Morin. Hope he can help too. Saad is a guy with his size and skill could also. As I said I would rather have him in Rockford for a year. Problem is the Hawks are not (at least to this point) getting anyone to bolster this team at forward. He may be an option! We just have to hope he can contribute to the 2012-2013 Chicago Blackhawks.
- PaulNewman

Saad is a good skater, scored a lot of goals against kids he was bigger, stronger and faster then and in very small sample sizes looked competent in his own zone for a rookie made a nice play on the boards to set up a goal in the playoffs but really nothing that stood out more than Hayes or Shaw or anyone else.

The player he was most compared to in his draft year was Gabriel Landeskog - who is a true power forward. Saad however does not use his body the same way Landeskog does from the small sample size we have seen as well as the "experts" opinions. Google it if you don't believe me I'm to lazy to look that crap up again.

There is a reason an big, athletic, goal scoring "power forward" drops from top 10 to the second round. Probs because the term "power forward" became a loose phrase. The kid could end up awesome but I think he needs to play against men in an environment with less pressure so he can properly adjust his game.

Morin (who put up similar points to Saad in JR and labeled as "scary good") was OK during his stint up, then went back down and had to learn how to play against better/bigger/faster players. He should probably get the first shot as he has "paid more dues" so to speak. He will also punch people in the face and mash on the boards and has done so against men. FWIW they have "more ready" players who should get an opportunity unless he goes to the AHL and scores many goals in the first several games.

Saad is a good skater, scored a lot of goals against kids he was bigger, stronger and faster then and in very small sample sizes looked competent in his own zone for a rookie made a nice play on the boards to set up a goal in the playoffs but really nothing that stood out more than Hayes or Shaw or anyone else.

The player he was most compared to in his draft year was Gabriel Landeskog - who is a true power forward. Saad however does not use his body the same way Landeskog does from the small sample size we have seen as well as the "experts" opinions. Google it if you don't believe me I'm to lazy to look that crap up again.

There is a reason an big, athletic, goal scoring "power forward" drops from top 10 to the second round. Probs because the term "power forward" became a loose phrase. The kid could end up awesome but I think he needs to play against men in an environment with less pressure so he can properly adjust his game.

Morin (who put up similar points to Saad in JR and la beled as "scary good") was OK during his stint up, then went back down and had to learn how to play against better/bigger/faster players. He should probably get the first shot as he has "paid more dues" so to speak. He will also punch people in the face and mash on the boards and has done so against men. FWIW they have "more ready" players who should get an opportunity unless he goes to the AHL and scores many goals in the first several games.
- fattybeef

Saad is a good skater, scored a lot of goals against kids he was bigger, stronger and faster then and in very small sample sizes looked competent in his own zone for a rookie made a nice play on the boards to set up a goal in the playoffs but really nothing that stood out more than Hayes or Shaw or anyone else.

The player he was most compared to in his draft year was Gabriel Landeskog - who is a true power forward. Saad however does not use his body the same way Landeskog does from the small sample size we have seen as well as the "experts" opinions. Google it if you don't believe me I'm to lazy to look that crap up again.

There is a reason an big, athletic, goal scoring "power forward" drops from top 10 to the second round. Probs because the term "power forward" became a loose phrase. The kid could end up awesome but I think he needs to play against men in an environment with less pressure so he can properly adjust his game.

Morin (who put up similar points to Saad in JR and labeled as "scary good") was OK during his stint up, then went back down and had to learn how to play against better/bigger/faster players. He should probably get the first shot as he has "paid more dues" so to speak. He will also punch people in the face and mash on the boards and has done so against men. FWIW they have "more ready" players who should get an opportunity unless he goes to the AHL and scores many goals in the first several games.
- fattybeef

Bang the f--- on. And Saad will have to do some developing to become what Landeskog is today.

I have nothing against Saad. There are some tools there: the size, the skating, and a definite nose for the net. But what I do have an issue with is the desperate way the Hawks seize on some junior success as the thing that:

a) proves he is a star in the making
b) means he's ready now
c) the future with him is so great that the present should be sacrificed or limited

It's almost laughable because, as you put it, when he's been against men (or other juniors who are very good—ie, potential NHL players in the WJC) he doesn't look special at all. He looks pretty average, Then again, he's 19.

And we are having this discussion because the Hawks' GM insists it's all about him and other kids and the future.

3) Saad living up to the hype this organization is already laying down over him

- John Jaeckel

Think that the hype is coming more from the fans than from organization. It doesn´t prove anything but Saad is now listed to Rockford´s roster depth chart and not Blackhawks roster.

I really don´t know what is going to happen but I do hope that the best players get the opening roster spots. If Saad performs good enough in pre season so he should be there. We just don´t know how things will pan out, do we?

Someone has to do it so it might as well be me that steps in the middle of the bee hive.

First, no doubt you make moves to improve your team. The big assumption many of you make is that the Hawks (SB) are really turning down deals because of prospects. The other assumption is that obtaining the quality of player you are looking for is really available.

In saying this, I am not telling anybody to not save their money on tickets and team merchandise, what I want to point out to the often myopic crowd is that the rest of the league exists to provide the Hawks all their best players. Until we have half of Team Canada and Team USA, everyone here will cry.

Second, this idea that all the young guys etc can't/won't win you a cup is poppycock. Of course it is nice to do as the old Red Wings did 10 years ago and take in some retreads to provide experience (etc...) But here we sit two years after winning a cup with....??? Yes a young unproven team. (John Madden playoff experience...other than that?)

Look at the Kings last year...outside of Scuderi, who had any playoff experience? Who had any success? How bout year before Boston? Yes Charra had a run with Ottawa...other than that?????

Don't get me wrong, I am not underscoring the importance of experience and its preference; however, so many young players get tons of valuable experience playing in College, Junior and International tournaments. (Yes I know it is not the same as the NHL playoffs, but the stage is similar).

The romantic 2010 team had its weaknesses, to make them the 1985 Bears is just farcical. So while many of you go back to trade this for that...sign this guy or that guy...lets realize one thing. The onus is on the Core to lead and perform consistently. Save me the Stalberg and Frolik are the anti-christ crap. That Leddy is this or that. Get Keith to play 3 solid games in a row. Get Sharp and Kane willing to take a hit. Most importantly, get your freaking idiot coach to play guys he dresses!!! Or do not dress them at all.

Don't give me this crap that guys are not good enough...or his type of guys. Freaking Coach. Manage, evaluate your assets and put them in a position to succeed. Or dress 12 guys a night. I bet there are 100 great coaches around the world who would love to coach this team and its talents.

Overall, play like you freaking care Hawks...that is it. 8 out of 10 games the talent scale tilts to the Hawks side...the other 2 its a draw. So simply want it more.

Otherwise, fantasize that Shane Doan or Jordan Staal or whoever will make a difference...they won't.

I hear you guys! Was just saying. He has talent and could help the Hawks. Looking at what they have done so far tells me there is no help coming from the outside. Wish there was. I like what I have seen from Morin. Hope he can help too. Saad is a guy with his size and skill could also. As I said I would rather have him in Rockford for a year. Problem is the Hawks are not (at least to this point) getting anyone to bolster this team at forward. He may be an option! We just have to hope he can contribute to the 2012-2013 Chicago Blackhawks.
- PaulNewman

But they don't need "bolstering" at wing.

They need it at center, which Saad isn't (and never will be) in spite of the clever "twist" that he "requested" to play there in PC.

And they need it at goalie.

I am willing to give Bowman the benefit of the doubt on the blue line. It IS better than it was a year ago, no question.

But the needs at C and G have gone unfulfilled and he is talking about a 19 year old second round pick from last year—who has never done jack against men— as a potential improvement to this team?

And as I've been saying and fatty just reinforced, at W, Morin is probably more ready. But Morin has been around for a while, had the concussion and is now a little forgotten and doesn't have the shiny penny effect with the fans (some fans) that Saad does.

Someone has to do it so it might as well be me that steps in the middle of the bee hive.

First, no doubt you make moves to improve your team. The big assumption many of you make is that the Hawks (SB) are really turning down deals because of prospects. The other assumption is that obtaining the quality of player you are looking for is really available.

In saying this, I am not telling anybody to not save their money on tickets and team merchandise, what I want to point out to the often myopic crowd is that the rest of the league exists to provide the Hawks all their best players. Until we have half of Team Canada and Team USA, everyone here will cry.

Second, this idea that all the young guys etc can't/won't win you a cup is poppycock. Of course it is nice to do as the old Red Wings did 10 years ago and take in some retreads to provide experience (etc...) But here we sit two years after winning a cup with....??? Yes a young unproven team. (John Madden playoff experience...other than that?)

Look at the Kings last year...outside of Scuderi, who had any playoff experience? Who had any success? How bout year before Boston? Yes Charra had a run with Ottawa...other than that?????

Don't get me wrong, I am not underscoring the importance of experience and its preference; however, so many young players get tons of valuable experience playing in College, Junior and International tournaments. (Yes I know it is not the same as the NHL playoffs, but the stage is similar).

The romantic 2010 team had its weaknesses, to make them the 1985 Bears is just farcical. So while many of you go back to trade this for that...sign this guy or that guy...lets realize one thing. The onus is on the Core to lead and perform consistently. Save me the Stalberg and Frolik are the anti-christ crap. That Leddy is this or that. Get Keith to play 3 solid games in a row. Get Sharp and Kane willing to take a hit. Most importantly, get your freaking idiot coach to play guys he dresses!!! Or do not dress them at all.

Don't give me this crap that guys are not good enough...or his type of guys. Freaking Coach. Manage, evaluate your assets and put them in a position to succeed. Or dress 12 guys a night.

Overall, play like you freaking care Hawks...that is it. 8 out of 10 games the talent scale tilts to the Hawks side...the other 2 its a draw. So simply want it more.

Otherwise, fantasize that Shane Doan or Jordan Staal or whoever will make a difference...they won't.
- TrueGrit

You are obscuring the real issue. Bowman keeps touting prospects and rookies. And no, prospects and rookies don't help you win Stanley Cups. This is why Quenneville (and most other coaches) resist playing them, send them to the end of the bench, etc.

Young players? Sure. But young NHL players. Not young, unproven prospects and rookies. THAT is the difference.

If Bowman had the creativity and temerity to go out (like Tallon did) and get young, talented players with some NHL experience, that would be one thing.

Instead, Bowman keeps bringing up or touting guys in junior, or who have less than year with a bad Rockford club, etc., or pushing guys like Leddy as the next Bobby Orr when he should be getting 5 minutes less a night, while there are holes on his NHL roster that need to be filled with guys who can play now, not just learn on the job.

Sorry. Your argument is for youth, which is fine, not what Bowman is actually doing.

Actually, there a re alot of eerie parallels betweent he 2010 hawks and the 1985 bears and the aftermaths of both clubs. BOTH were incredibly talented and very young. Look at how Jerry Vainisi and Dale Tallon were both removed and why and by whom.

And the 2010 Hawks were as deep and as talented a team as the NHL has seen in along time, and likely will in a long time, due in part to the fact that they were built somewhat prior to the salary cap or the Hawks hitting the ceiling of the cap for the first time.

Finally, how many true rookies were on that team? I recall none. Guys like Niemi, Versteeg, Brouwer, Hjalmarsson ALL had at least one year of pro, if not NHL, hockey.

Junior, NCAA and international tourney play is NOT an acceptable substitute for pro experience (including SEL, KHL and AHL). Because the latter means playing against men. Ask someone who's done both.

Think that the hype is coming more from the fans than from organization. It doesn´t prove anything but Saad is now listed to Rockford´s roster depth chart and not Blackhawks roster.

I really don´t know what is going to happen but I do hope that the best players get the opening roster spots. If Saad performs good enough in pre season so he should be there. We just don´t know how things will pan out, do we?
- MjulQvist

Nope, some fans are licking it up but the organization, believe me, knows what it is doing by laying it down.

It is, at least partially, a diversionary tactic away from the fact that they have done nothing really over the last year or two to improve the team with NHL talent.

I believe, actually, them putting Saad on the Rockford roster is in part because some voices (like this blog) have called them on it. And I also think some of the players at the NHL and AHL level are none too thrilled over all the Saad hype either—that is coming from the organization.

Read the quotes.

The Sun-Times is not quoting fans about Saad making them team—they are quoting Bowman and Quenneville and talking about Saad "huddling" with McD at practice.

Nope, some fans are licking it up but the organization, believe me, knows what it is doing by laying it down.

It is, at least partially, a diversionary tactic away from the fact that they have done nothing really over the last year or two to improve the team with NHL talent.

I believe, actually, them putting Saad on the Rockford roster is in part because some voices (like this blog) have called them on it. And I also think some of the players at the NHL and AHL level are none too thrilled over all the Saad hype either—that is coming from the organization.

Read the quotes.

The Sun-Times is not quoting fans about Saad making them team—they are quoting Bowman and Quenneville and talking about Saad "huddling" with McD at practice.
- John Jaeckel

As a season ticket holder who has unfortunately already paid for my tickets I just cannot believe that all the other teams are improving and Bowman does nothing. Does anyone want to buy my tickets?

As a season ticket holder who has unfortunately already paid for my tickets I just cannot believe that all the other teams are improving and Bowman does nothing. Does anyone want to buy my tickets?
- Maggie

What is an echo before it's an echo?

At he expense of who?
- Mr Ricochet

I'm not following the ?

Nope, some fans are licking it up but the organization, believe me, knows what it is doing by laying it down.

It is, at least partially, a diversionary tactic away from the fact that they have done nothing really over the last year or two to improve the team with NHL talent.

I believe, actually, them putting Saad on the Rockford roster is in part because some voices (like this blog) have called them on it. And I also think some of the players at the NHL and AHL level are none too thrilled over all the Saad hype either—that is coming from the organization.

Read the quotes.

The Sun-Times is not quoting fans about Saad making them team—they are quoting Bowman and Quenneville and talking about Saad "huddling" with McD at practice.
- John Jaeckel

The s,hit will hit the fan once the seasons starts and this guy can't cut at the NHL level, then they will have to send him down and Q will start all sorts of line juggling which will lead to players frustration and confusion.

Where have we seen this before....last two years.

Get your second line center....NHL proven guy....sheesh can that be so hard.

The rest we should be ok except with CC which I have my doubts.

Despite the fact that this roster could probably use a few more complimentary pieces, I still think one of the biggest problems for the last two years has been the compete level and dedication of the team and the allocation of ice time.

How many times have we complained here that the Hawks only gave a 40 minute (or less) effort. As far as I'm concerned once is too many times. Its also painfully obvious that the star players are the ones quitting on the team. How can you call them a core when they don't give two craps about winning the game?

As far as allocation of ice time, Q has been absolutely terrible. How many times have we seen Keith and Seabrook skate 28-30 minutes in a game that was obviously in hand. How many times has he been reluctant to play the fourth line despite having a lead. If you want a team with 3 forward lines and 2 defense lines might as well sign a bunch of superstars and have a 16 skater team.

This team has a problem in its mentality and execution which has showed no signs of improvement in the last two years. Frankly I doubt any amount of roster moves will fix this problem. We just have to wait around until Rocky gets as fed up with this crap as we are. Unfortunately I'm beginning to wonder if McD isn't Grima Wormtongue.

You are obscuring the real issue. Bowman keeps touting prospects and rookies. And no, prospects and rookies don't help you win Stanley Cups. This is why Quenneville (and most other coaches) resist playing them, send them to the end of the bench, etc.

Young players? Sure. But young NHL players. Not young, unproven prospects and rookies. THAT is the difference.

If Bowman had the creativity and temerity to go out (like Tallon did) and get young, talented players with some NHL experience, that would be one thing.

Instead, Bowman keeps bringing up or touting guys in junior, or who have less than year with a bad Rockford club, etc., or pushing guys like Leddy as the next Bobby Orr when he should be getting 5 minutes less a night, while there are holes on his NHL roster that need to be filled with guys who can play now, not just learn on the job.

Sorry. Your argument is for youth, which is fine, not what Bowman is actually doing.

Actually, there a re alot of eerie parallels betweent he 2010 hawks and the 1985 bears and the aftermaths of both clubs. BOTH were incredibly talented and very young. Look at how Jerry Vainisi and Dale Tallon were both removed and why and by whom.

And the 2010 Hawks were as deep and as talented a team as the NHL has seen in along time, and likely will in a long time, due in part to the fact that they were built somewhat prior to the salary cap or the Hawks hitting the ceiling of the cap for the first time.

Finally, how many true rookies were on that team? I recall none. Guys like Niemi, Versteeg, Brouwer, Hjalmarsson ALL had at least one year of pro, if not NHL, hockey.

Junior, NCAA and international tourney play is NOT an acceptable substitute for pro experience (including SEL, KHL and AHL). Because the latter means playing against men. Ask someone who's done both.
- John Jaeckel

I do not disagree that there is a difference between prospects and young players. Your point is taken there. I also am not a supporter or believer of the prospect marketing hype. I am with you on that.

Good point on the Bears/Hawks comparison regarding architects. Still believe that the Bears were more talented and dominant...more experienced.

Obviously I am not a Q guy. And while I understand how coaches like to bring prospects along and not pile the world on their shoulders, with injuries sometimes by necessity they get more opportunity. And yes I see your point that SB last year should have made a move or two to add a little bit of experience to help the lower 6 or blue line. However at the end of the day, the core failed the team. They failed to score when needed in the playoffs. They struggled/failed in key parts of games (PP/PK).

I do not want to get into a semantics battle with you. You know I respect where you are coming from. My frustration lies in Q and the theory he is not getting his guys (even though I think he hand picked Brunnette, Mayers and OD). I said it here a long ago, that Q was good for a real young team, the way he managed the youth and kept them on their toes. He just has not grown with the team. As players mature, they deserve more rope, more time to work through things, not have Dad come in and juggle things up to protect the kids. The kids need the adversity of of overcoming scoring droughts by working harder and staying with things. Instead its random line generator. Every now and again, our guys need the challenge of battling through bad line match ups, not run of the ice ...giving up odd mans and getting what has to be a league leading too many man penalties.

Lastly, I sometimes get frustrated with some of the fellow posters who think that the NHL is a feeder to the Hawks. With a bad internal karma, you could have Sid and Malkin and we still will struggle.

Anyways, thanks for the forum.

I would hope so....but if not his lack of production should be replaced with Morin who at least brings some push back with him
- southernhawk

Morin didn't look to good during his last call up so I'd think it would be a long shot for him to make the team. But you never know, maybe another season in Rockford worked wonders for him.

Nope, some fans are licking it up but the organization, believe me, knows what it is doing by laying it down.

It is, at least partially, a diversionary tactic away from the fact that they have done nothing really over the last year or two to improve the team with NHL talent.

I believe, actually, them putting Saad on the Rockford roster is in part because some voices (like this blog) have called them on it. And I also think some of the players at the NHL and AHL level are none too thrilled over all the Saad hype either—that is coming from the organization.

Read the quotes.

Saad was a Bowman draft pick and unless injured will be in here in October...If there is hockey.

The goalie situation...Hang on tight and hope for the best.

2nd line center?

Hockey logic tells me Gagner is available....Teams don't sign 22 yr olds to only a 1 yr contract extension if they are part of the long term plans.

Interesting when asked, Kane did not sound so sure he would be playing center.

Gagner isn't the perfect choice but has more offense than Kruger for now and would be probably a lot better than Saad. Kruger would do well as a 3rd line wing with Bolland.

The Sun-Times is not quoting fans about Saad making them team—they are quoting Bowman and Quenneville and talking about Saad "huddling" with McD at practice.
- John Jaeckel

Saad was a Bowman draft pick and unless injured will be here in October...If there is hockey.

Bowman could have picked Morin and ohers to replace Hossa but dressed a kid from Jr's in important playoff games...I think that should tell us something about Saad's perceived value within the OrganIzation.

The goalie situation...Hang on tight and hope for the best.

2nd line center?

Hockey logic tells me Gagner is available....Teams don't sign 22 yr olds to only a 1 yr contract extension if they are part of their long term plans.

Interesting when asked, Kane did not sound so sure he would be playing center.

Gagner isn't the perfect choice but has more offense than Kruger for now and would be probably a lot better than Saad. Kruger would do well as a 3rd line wing with Bolland and normally when a kid arrives from Jr's to the NHL he plays his regular position.

Without a meaningful deal for a ready made NHL forward chances are Saad will be in Chgo early on...

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Bang the f--- on. And Saad will have to do some developing to become what Landeskog is today.

I have nothing against Saad. There are some tools there: the size, the skating, and a definite nose for the net. But what I do have an issue with is the desperate way the Hawks seize on some junior success as the thing that:

a) proves he is a star in the making
b) means he's ready now
c) the future with him is so great that the present should be sacrificed or limited

It's almost laughable because, as you put it, when he's been against men (or other juniors who are very good—ie, potential NHL players in the WJC) he doesn't look special at all. He looks pretty average, Then again, he's 19.

And we are having this discussion because the Hawks' GM insists it's all about him and other kids and the future.
- John Jaeckel

Also, aside from the year he had his brain rattled, Morin was a PPG player in the World Juniors and smoked the U18 world Championships twice.

Obviously 10-11 was a shortened season which was problematic due to the nature of the injury he had, and this year looked like a rough one in Rockford. No scorers in the top 30 and they finished 12th which may or may not be indicative of his skill level which is probably more suited to playing at the NHL level with someone who can clear space for him.

Also, aside from the year he had his brain rattled, Morin was a PPG player in the World Juniors and smoked the U18 world Championships twice.

Obviously 10-11 was a shortened season which was problematic due to the nature of the injury he had, and this year looked like a rough one in Rockford. No scorers in the top 30 and they finished 12th which may or may not be indicative of his skill level which is probably more suited to playing at the NHL level with someone who can clear space for him.
- fattybeef

Well you won't find that on this roster.

The s,hit will hit the fan once the seasons starts and this guy can't cut at the NHL level, then they will have to send him down and Q will start all sorts of line juggling which will lead to players frustration and confusion.

Where have we seen this before....last two years.

Get your second line center....NHL proven guy....sheesh can that be so hard.

The rest we should be ok except with CC which I have my doubts.
- Hawkster

Kane is fine @2C IMO. I think a character/depth guy that can win 55-60% of draws, kill penalties and eat 15 minutes if necessary can serve their purpose and give some flexibility if injuries happen for cheaper.

As a season ticket holder who has unfortunately already paid for my tickets I just cannot believe that all the other teams are improving and Bowman does nothing. Does anyone want to buy my tickets?
- Maggie

haha I have a couple friends that are long time ST holders and are in the same boat.

Well you won't find that on this roster.
- Walky

Hossa... Especially with Kane up the middle they then have a guy with +hands, +shot who is willing to mash/punch anyone who messes with those two...

Could be an interesting line.