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3 1/2 years.
He has done lots actually. With exception of the first year (Kessel trade, Komi, Beauchemin contracts) and then Connolly last season (although pressure was on him to do something) He has refilled our cupboards.
What has Jay Feaster done? Give me one good move he has made. - cor99
Drafting Baertchi.
Burke actually hasn't accomplished anything. Still hasn't turned this team into a playoff team and the Leafs were a joke in the second half of the season.
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You guys haven't started to rebuild yet, but you should. Many of you guys know that too.
You already have a couple of pieces in Bartschi, Irving (maybe, is still any good?)
I still don't like your pick of Jankowski, would have thought Grigensens would have been a better pick, even Ceci or Tom Wilson. Heck, even Teuvo.
Max Reinhart and Ryan Howse should be solid for you guys as well - cor99
It was a weak draft. Flames went after a guy with a lot of potential and got a second round pick out of it too. Feaster went on to say that other teams were planing on taking Jankowski in the first round. Lets give the kid a chance before we throw him under the bus. |
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The guy has been GM for 1 year, drafted pretty damn good for being a month on the job, inherited godawful contracts of underachieving players & you come on here critcizing & judging. Last I saw, you guys were a lottery team & we werent. Sure glad your happy about that. Wow, I hope you arent serious & you're just trying to troll with your stupid opinions.  - Kevin R
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Drafting Baertchi.
Burke actually hasn't accomplished anything. Still hasn't turned this team into a playoff team and the Leafs were a joke in the second half of the season. - FLAMES TO WIN
It was the last quarter of the season. If you look at the roster Burke started out with, and the one we have now (inlcuding all our prospects) he has done a good job. Made some mistakes, (mainly FA's) but every GM does.
I acknowledged Bartschi as a good pick (although it was obvious pick IMO)
I just simply said I haven't agreed with any move made by Feaster. I root for you guys. I love watching a good Leafs/Habs game or a battle of Ontario followed by a battle of Alberta. I root for all Canadian teams because our rivalries are the best to watch. We also need a Canadian team to win the cup.
I'm by no means "trolling" I'm simply giving my opinion. It doesn't involve the Leafs at all. Not sure why you guys are bringing them into this
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It was a weak draft. Flames went after a guy with a lot of potential and got a second round pick out of it too. Feaster went on to say that other teams were planing on taking Jankowski in the first round. Lets give the kid a chance before we throw him under the bus. - FLAMES TO WIN
Again, not throwing him under the bus as a player. Just thought there were better options available for you guys |
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Cool. I'm not comparing our teams at all, nor said i'm happy with the Leafs. Just stated i don't like what Feaster has done, and asked you guys if you were happy with him. You got all defensive, and i asked you to name a good move that Feaster has done. You didn't say anything. - cor99
Well, we dont really have a proper time frame to be able to judge if what he's done is good or bad. His trades have been on a minor level. The Regehr trade to Buffalo had some of us upset because many of us thought a team like Detroit would give us a 1st rounder(late one) for Regehr that draft. As it turns out, we saved a ton a cap space by getting rid of Kotalik & Butler actually played 20+ minutes & did OK. Byron meh. And dont say just bury Kotalik in the minors unless your the one signing the 3.0 million paycheque. Jones was a great pickup for a depth Dman & solid 3-4th line player that can antagonize opposition players. Aliu looked pretty friggin awesome in the last few games last year & we got him for nothing. He signed Cerevenka which is like getting a free 1st rounder. The Backlund & Glenx contracts were great signings, Tanguay was a year or two too long but the price is right for a talented top six play making winger. Wideman I think is $500K overpaid but we were desperate for a powerplay right handed shooting Dman that could handle 20+ minutes. Hudler is a skill player we needed as well. I have no problem with these UFA's we signed, & because you give up zero assets to acquire these players you have to over pay them slightly. Whatever. Baerschti, Granlund, Gaudreau , Broissault, Witherspoon are all very solid picks last year. Jankowski who you dont like showed real well in the prospect camps we just had here and held his own pretty good for a 17 year old. His birthday was 2 days away from being ineligible for this last draft & chances are he would have gotten noticed in the US league & probably a top 10 pick. We swung for the fences with him & we also picked up a 2nd as well. You seem to have an instant hate on for Feaster & I now ask how & what warrants that based on 1 year as a GM. Should Poile & Lou be crucified for letting franchise players walk away for nothing at the age of 27? I guess maybe its more fun to bash on Feaster. |
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Well, we dont really have a proper time frame to be able to judge if what he's done is good or bad. His trades have been on a minor level. The Regehr trade to Buffalo had some of us upset because many of us thought a team like Detroit would give us a 1st rounder(late one) for Regehr that draft. As it turns out, we saved a ton a cap space by getting rid of Kotalik & Butler actually played 20+ minutes & did OK. Byron meh. And dont say just bury Kotalik in the minors unless your the one signing the 3.0 million paycheque. Jones was a great pickup for a depth Dman & solid 3-4th line player that can antagonize opposition players. Aliu looked pretty friggin awesome in the last few games last year & we got him for nothing. He signed Cerevenka which is like getting a free 1st rounder. The Backlund & Glenx contracts were great signings, Tanguay was a year or two too long but the price is right for a talented top six play making winger. Wideman I think is $500K overpaid but we were desperate for a powerplay right handed shooting Dman that could handle 20+ minutes. Hudler is a skill player we needed as well. I have no problem with these UFA's we signed, & because you give up zero assets to acquire these players you have to over pay them slightly. Whatever. Baerschti, Granlund, Gaudreau , Broissault, Witherspoon are all very solid picks last year. Jankowski who you dont like showed real well in the prospect camps we just had here and held his own pretty good for a 17 year old. His birthday was 2 days away from being ineligible for this last draft & chances are he would have gotten noticed in the US league & probably a top 10 pick. We swung for the fences with him & we also picked up a 2nd as well. You seem to have an instant hate on for Feaster & I now ask how & what warrants that based on 1 year as a GM. Should Poile & Lou be crucified for letting franchise players walk away for nothing at the age of 27? I guess maybe its more fun to bash on Feaster. - Kevin R
1. Both Nashville and New Jersey were in playoff spots at deadline, they wouldnt trade them. No one would trade for their rights/give up anything without signing a contract first. Loy and Poile aren't to blame.
2. What warrents it? I'm saying i don't like the moves he has made so far/prices he has paid. That's my opinion, heck every other fan instantly bashes anything Burke does a minute after it's announced....
3. Cervenka is far from a "free 1st rounder" 39 points in 54 games in the KHL isn't the greatest, but holds promise.
You seem to be focusing on all the negative stuff i have said, and seem to be skipping over the positive posts.
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1. Both Nashville and New Jersey were in playoff spots at deadline, they wouldnt trade them. No one would trade for their rights/give up anything without signing a contract first. Loy and Poile aren't to blame.
2. What warrents it? I'm saying i don't like the moves he has made so far/prices he has paid. That's my opinion, heck every other fan instantly bashes anything Burke does a minute after it's announced....
3. Cervenka is far from a "free 1st rounder" 39 points in 54 games in the KHL isn't the greatest, but holds promise.
You seem to be focusing on all the negative stuff i have said, and seem to be skipping over the positive posts. - cor99
You have moderated your last few posts because you came in here guns a blazing. What you are doing to Feaster is no different with what a lots of others do to Burke & I see you dont like it. I actually dont think Burke is all that bad of a GM, he just hasnt done anything spectacular for the Leafs. But its pretty hard for the GMs to do everything, the game is played on the ice & its up to players to put in that consistent effort, they are compensated very well. Cerevenka was voted MVP of the KHL playoffs this last year, so again, we are really hoping this kid brings something to the team next year & forces us to give him a nice fat contract. I guess all we can do is hope. Alot of these kids in the NHL all have skills & talent, there just is no way to know which ones will step up & embrace an elite level in the NHL. Thats why the games still have to be played. |
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You have moderated your last few posts because you came in here guns a blazing. What you are doing to Feaster is no different with what a lots of others do to Burke & I see you dont like it. I actually dont think Burke is all that bad of a GM, he just hasnt done anything spectacular for the Leafs. But its pretty hard for the GMs to do everything, the game is played on the ice & its up to players to put in that consistent effort, they are compensated very well. Cerevenka was voted MVP of the KHL playoffs this last year, so again, we are really hoping this kid brings something to the team next year & forces us to give him a nice fat contract. I guess all we can do is hope. Alot of these kids in the NHL all have skills & talent, there just is no way to know which ones will step up & embrace an elite level in the NHL. Thats why the games still have to be played. - Kevin R
I never "moderated my posts". My thoughts have been the same all the way through this discussion. All I added was some positives and the fact that I want all Canadian teams to be good, because our rivalries are the best to watch.
That was to get it through to you guys that I wasn't "trolling" I was simply giving my opinion on the fact that I don't like what Feaster has done overall SO FAR. It doesn't matter if I was a Leaf fan (which I assume why you guys got so defensive) or I was a Blue Jackets Fan |
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Agreed. I stopped taking him seriously when he compared Kipper to Roli.  - FLAMES TO WIN
Compared? Pfft! Roli was a solid goalie, but he was never half the goalie that Kipper was or is. You misinterpreted what I said. I never compared the players themselves as much as their role on the team. Iggy is the heart and soul of your team is he not? And you scoff at the idea of trading him, don't you? It's hard visualize, I know, but that's who Smyth was for the Oilers. Kipper is YOUR team's brick wall, is he not? He is the goalie that carried your team to the Stanley Cup Finals and held you at minimum in contention for the playoffs, didn't he? Roli was that for a few years for the Oilers. Bartschi is a junior star that looks to help change your teams with fast, skilled, and exciting play? Cogliano was that, but he didn't get the time he needed to grow into that. Jankowski is an extremely talented playmaking centerman who looks like he could turn into a star in this league? Gagner was that for the Oilers, but he too got rushed into the NHL. Now, if you haven't got my point yet, I don't think you ever will. Good night to you, and may you not suffer through what I've suffered through. |
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Looks as though we had a nice little debate last night....hopefully it didnt get out of hand.
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Mike Komisarek at 5.5M
James Reimer at 2.2M
Tim Connolly at 5.5M  - FLAMES TO WIN
Gilmour, Phaneuf.....  .
Stajan.
Komisarek
Reimer got hurt! he will bouce back
Connolly ......p.p.g. player when healthy just not with the Leafs.and was only a 2 year deal
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Alternatively, you could just use common sense and listen to fans who have been through this scenario very recently. Roloson was our Kipper. Smyth was our Iggy. Cogliano was our Bärtschi. Gagner was our Jankowski. Torres was our Glencross. We had what looked like a solid future blueline in Gilbert, Smid, Grebishkov, Souray, Plante and Co. like you have Giordano, Wideman, Bouwmeester, Babchuk, Brodie and Co. I could continue, but for sake of saving time, I won't. The comparisons are uncanny and one would be smart to heed the warnings of those who have gone through it. - MaximumBone
Roloson was Kipper? Smyth was Iggy? Come on man.....this is a joke right?? |
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You haven't been on an Cloutier blog thread yet, have you? We get a lot of trolls, ignoramuses, and flat out retards from other teams to go along with stupid posters like myself every (frank)ing day! To turn the spotlight around, though, I would love to hear how you can ignore aforementioned similarities. Better yet, how do you think the Flames are going to become a relevant team again. - MaximumBone
1. Drafting
2. Trades
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1. He was ranked late 2nd on everyone's lists
2. Sure dennis wideman is good, and outscored our D. Doesn't mean he's not overpaid
3. Hudler would have been 4th on our team. He also played for the Detroit Red Wings. Still overpaid.
Criticizing a team/GM isn't trolling. it's giving an opinion. - cor99
What about this list:
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Roloson was Kipper? Smyth was Iggy? Come on man.....this is a joke right?? - The-O-G
Yeah I didnt want to comment....like I mean....
Rollie - 606GP 227W 257L 42T 2.72 .908
Kipper - 599GP 311W 199L 69T 2.32 .921
Close, but not close enough.
Iggy - 1188GP 516G 557A 1073PTS
Smyth - 1151GP 374G 432A 806PTS
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What about this list:
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649 - The-O-G
Not too many were aware of the "final tally" list that TSN put together...but it ultimately doesnt mean a whole lot. Still hard to say what the Flames have in Jankowski as hes younger and less experienced than most prospects...but from seeing what he can do in camp and reading up on scout reports since...certainly appears to be some promise there if he fills out.
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Yeah I didnt want to comment....like I mean....
Rollie - 606GP 227W 257L 42T 2.72 .908
Kipper - 599GP 311W 199L 69T 2.32 .921
Close, but not close enough.
Iggy - 1188GP 516G 557A 1073PTS
Smyth - 1151GP 374G 432A 806PTS
Again, not close enough.... - Colin Dambrauskas
I get what he was saying, these players relative to their respective teams are similar. But apart from Iggy and Smyth both being captains and Kipper and Rolli both being goalies the comparisons kind of stop there. Iggy and Kipper are both superstars, Rolli and Smyth are not.
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Not too many were aware of the "final tally" list that TSN put together...but it ultimately doesnt mean a whole lot. Still hard to say what the Flames have in Jankowski as hes younger and less experienced than most prospects...but from seeing what he can do in camp and reading up on scout reports since...certainly appears to be some promise there if he fills out.
 - Colin Dambrauskas
Cor99 said he was late 2nd on everyone's list...clearly he wasn't. In the mock draft TSN had him 28th to the Devils. He was definitely a risky pick but sometimes you gotta do that, I think it at least shows the Flames are taking the time to comb through the prospects each year and pick the guy who they feel is best based on where they are selecting. It at least shows they are trying, rather than just rolling in the with the central scouting rankings and going top to bottom.
Not to mention the fact they also added Sieloff, a benefit of a shrewd move by the Flames to slide down and still get the guy they wanted. |
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Cor99 said he was late 2nd on everyone's list...clearly he wasn't. In the mock draft TSN had him 28th to the Devils. He was definitely a risky pick but sometimes you gotta do that, I think it at least shows the Flames are taking the time to comb through the prospects each year and pick the guy who they feel is best based on where they are selecting. It at least shows they are trying, rather than just rolling in the with the central scouting rankings and going top to bottom.
Not to mention the fact they also added Sieloff, a benefit of a shrewd move by the Flames to slide down and still get the guy they wanted. - The-O-G
I liked the move, personally. As I explained in my first blog a few weeks ago, I said that at the 14th spot there wasnt a whole lot of guaranteed success left over and the Flames didnt have any picks in the second round.
They already knew they liked Jankowski and wanted to make sure they could grab him, so not only did they, but they got an extra pick out of it which turned out to be a huge hitting, tough defenseman.
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I liked the move, personally. As I explained in my first blog a few weeks ago, I said that at the 14th spot there wasnt a whole lot of guaranteed success left over and the Flames didnt have any picks in the second round.
They already knew they liked Jankowski and wanted to make sure they could grab him, so not only did they, but they got an extra pick out of it which turned out to be a huge hitting, tough defenseman.
 - Colin Dambrauskas
Time will tell if it's a good pick or not, but I like the logic.
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Time will tell if it's a good pick or not, but I like the logic.
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Going to post my next blog in a few hours....rally up those Calgarians! |
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I liked the move, personally. As I explained in my first blog a few weeks ago, I said that at the 14th spot there wasnt a whole lot of guaranteed success left over and the Flames didnt have any picks in the second round.
They already knew they liked Jankowski and wanted to make sure they could grab him, so not only did they, but they got an extra pick out of it which turned out to be a huge hitting, tough defenseman.
 - Colin Dambrauskas
Jankowski has the potential to be a good player. The reason i didn't like the pick was because i believe there were better options that have more potential (as is stated last night) |
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Jankowski has the potential to be a good player. The reason i didn't like the pick was because i believe there were better options that have more potential (as is stated last night) - cor99
Thats where we differ I suppose. I didnt see a *much* better option. Understand that when picking outside of the top 10, most players below that mark begin to have more and more question marks. Does it not make more sense to pick a guy who is considered low risk high reward and get an additional pick in the first 50 guys, rather than picking one selection in the first 50 who alone still comes with risk?
For me, Feaster certainly rolled the dice, it certainly isnt one of those things we can surely say it was good, or bad at this point. But the Flames played the odds and by adding an extra selection they increased their chances of selecting more talent. Jankowski would have been taken if not by Feaster by the 14th pick...he may have gone a little later by Feasters next pick wasnt till much later and he would have been gone. He wanted him, and he got him. He also got a big hitting defenseman out of it.
Give it two years, and we will see how smart this was. Heck, we may even see some promise next year! |
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