I'd take Bryz contract in a trade for Kipper if it meant Schenn/ Couturier with a 1st and 2nd
- cmpdave

I'm fairly doubtful Philly trades those guys. I could see the picks and the rights to Voracek or something like that.

I'm fairly doubtful Philly trades those guys. I could see the picks and the rights to Voracek or something like that.
- micah555

1. Ask big
2. Cross fingers
3. ???
4. Profit!

I wonder about Kiprusoff's value. He's got a more attractive short term contract than Luongo (and one that is very low in real dollars), but Lu is on the market right now and he commands a lesser cap hit. He's younger and arguably equal to or better than Kipper. What kind of price does the last 2 years of Kipper's contract command?

And Philly is stuck with Bryzgalov, no way they can take another $6m cap hit for goaltending.
- micah555

I'm an Oilers fan but I live in Calgary. IMO Kipper is the most reliable goalie in the League. He wins games his team has no business winning. Luongo is a great goalie no questions but he can't clutch. He crumbles under pressure. Kipper seems to have more of a killer instict. It's my opinion that Kipprusoff's career will be longer than Luongo's for that reason alone. You put Kipprusoff behind a top 10 team talent wise and they'll be a solid cup conteder. The fact that his contract length is what it is, I think that only helps his trade value. If he does what is expected he can get an extension to suit the teams that he goes to needs. If he doesn't they can let his contract expire.

I'm an Oilers fan but I live in Calgary. IMO Kipper is the most reliable goalie in the League. He wins games his team has no business winning. Luongo is a great goalie no questions but he can't clutch. He crumbles under pressure. Kipper seems to have more of a killer instict. It's my opinion that Kipprusoff's career will be longer than Luongo's for that reason alone. You put Kipprusoff behind a top 10 team talent wise and they'll be a solid cup conteder. The fact that his contract length is what it is, I think that only helps his trade value. If he does what is expected he can get an extension to suit the teams that he goes to needs. If he doesn't they can let his contract expire.
- Oilersforlife

I actually think Kipper will head back to Europe after next season when his contract expires. He has made his NHL money and he seems to miss Finland and heads back there the second the season is over.

The Flames, now that he doesn't have a NMC anymore, need to get maximum value for him ASAP, definitely by trade deadline this season.

Great Goalie, but has to be parlayed into assets

I'm an Oilers fan but I live in Calgary. IMO Kipper is the most reliable goalie in the League. He wins games his team has no business winning. Luongo is a great goalie no questions but he can't clutch. He crumbles under pressure. Kipper seems to have more of a killer instict. It's my opinion that Kipprusoff's career will be longer than Luongo's for that reason alone. You put Kipprusoff behind a top 10 team talent wise and they'll be a solid cup conteder. The fact that his contract length is what it is, I think that only helps his trade value. If he does what is expected he can get an extension to suit the teams that he goes to needs. If he doesn't they can let his contract expire.
- Oilersforlife

That's more of a preference than a stat. Lu has a gold medal, Kipper has no team championship. The intangibility of Kipper's killer instinct isn't really a proven commodity.

Kipper started his career late and is nearing the end of it. Luongo came into the league young and still has 6 years of good money on his contract. I have no doubt Lu will out last Kipper.

That's more of a preference than a stat. Lu has a gold medal, Kipper has no team championship. The intangibility of Kipper's killer instinct isn't really a proven commodity.

Kipper started his career late and is nearing the end of it. Luongo came into the league young and still has 6 years of good money on his contract. I have no doubt Lu will out last Kipper.
- micah555

Guess no one pumps Kippers tires enough.

That's more of a preference than a stat. Lu has a gold medal, Kipper has no team championship. The intangibility of Kipper's killer instinct isn't really a proven commodity.

Kipper started his career late and is nearing the end of it. Luongo came into the league young and still has 6 years of good money on his contract. I have no doubt Lu will out last Kipper.
- micah555

Don't forget...

- Luongo is Canadian
- He has killer hair
- Is one hell of a dancer

That's more of a preference than a stat. Lu has a gold medal, Kipper has no team championship. The intangibility of Kipper's killer instinct isn't really a proven commodity.

Kipper started his career late and is nearing the end of it. Luongo came into the league young and still has 6 years of good money on his contract. I have no doubt Lu will out last Kipper.
- micah555

Canada won the Gold in spite of Lu not because of him. And Kipper does have a team Championship, the 1999 Finish League Championship with TPS Turka where he went 9-1 in the Playoffs with 3 shutouts.

You said no Team Championships

Can I borrow your crystal ball so I can see the future too?
- jiginla

Alternatively, you could just use common sense and listen to fans who have been through this scenario very recently. Roloson was our Kipper. Smyth was our Iggy. Cogliano was our Bärtschi. Gagner was our Jankowski. Torres was our Glencross. We had what looked like a solid future blueline in Gilbert, Smid, Grebishkov, Souray, Plante and Co. like you have Giordano, Wideman, Bouwmeester, Babchuk, Brodie and Co. I could continue, but for sake of saving time, I won't. The comparisons are uncanny and one would be smart to heed the warnings of those who have gone through it.

Alternatively, you could just use common sense and listen to fans who have been through this scenario very recently. Roloson was our Kipper. Smyth was our Iggy. Cogliano was our Bärtschi. Gagner was our Jankowski. Torres was our Glencross. We had what looked like a solid future blueline in Gilbert, Smid, Grebishkov, Souray, Plante and Co. like you have Giordano, Wideman, Bouwmeester, Babchuk, Brodie and Co. I could continue, but for sake of saving time, I won't. The comparisons are uncanny and one would be smart to heed the warnings of those who have gone through it.
- MaximumBone

That is the stupidest thing I have read on HB in quite some time.

I think they are also expecting to see some added offence from the Powerplay with Wideman on the first unit as well as Baertschi's production. I think there is no doubt the Flames won't have a problem scoring this year.
- The-O-G

HAHAHAHAHA...Thats the funniest thing I've heard for a long time...
Ohhhh you Flames fans... Rose colored glasses.

That is the stupidest thing I have read on HB in quite some time.
- scoot174

Have you read Frenchies blogs!?

I kid, I kid!

HAHAHAHAHA...Thats the funniest thing I've heard for a long time...
Ohhhh you Flames fans... Rose colored glasses.
- Iggysbff

You Oiler fans are like my brother in law analagy. Went to sell his house himself and priced it whacko! Didnt sell, didnt sell, he just said nope I'll be patient until the right buyer comes around. 2 1/2 years later he finally sold it not because what he thought was the best way to sell a home, it was the market finally caught up to his price. You guys are waiting for the perfect team, think you have it, cant miss, each year you get lottery picks, eventually you guys will have a playoff team how many years later & then you say "see, this how you rebuild" Yeah OK. Lucky you.

http://www.theglobeandmai...-cervenka/article4104219/

Refused the Leafs, eh? Interesting.
- micah555

Maybe the Leafs weren't offering a laughable contract?

He got that offer, laughed for an hour at how idiotic Jay Feaster is, and then took the offer.

Are Flames fans actually happy with their GM? Took a 41st rated guy what? 20th?

Overpaid a 26 year old European, overpaid Jiri Hudler, and overpaid Dennis Wideman

That is the stupidest thing I have read on HB in quite some time.
- scoot174

You haven't been on an Cloutier blog thread yet, have you? We get a lot of trolls, ignoramuses, and flat out retards from other teams to go along with stupid posters like myself every (frank)ing day! To turn the spotlight around, though, I would love to hear how you can ignore aforementioned similarities. Better yet, how do you think the Flames are going to become a relevant team again.

You Oiler fans are like my brother in law analagy. Went to sell his house himself and priced it whacko! Didnt sell, didnt sell, he just said nope I'll be patient until the right buyer comes around. 2 1/2 years later he finally sold it not because what he thought was the best way to sell a home, it was the market finally caught up to his price. You guys are waiting for the perfect team, think you have it, cant miss, each year you get lottery picks, eventually you guys will have a playoff team how many years later & then you say "see, this how you rebuild" Yeah OK. Lucky you.
- Kevin R

We said nothing of the sort. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all I've read (save for one troll who posted early) are comments giving insight on how to avoid the painful rebuild process that we've had to suffer through.

Maybe the Leafs weren't offering a laughable contract?

He got that offer, laughed for an hour at how idiotic Jay Feaster is, and then took the offer.

Are Flames fans actually happy with their GM? Took a 41st rated guy what? 20th?

Overpaid a 26 year old European, overpaid Jiri Hudler, and overpaid Dennis Wideman
- cor99

yeah a good GM should draft exactly by TSN's draft rankings

pretty sure Wideman outscored anyone on the leafs defense and Hudler would have been amoung your scoring leaders too. Anyway stop trolling

yeah a good GM should draft exactly by TSN's draft rankings

pretty sure Wideman outscored anyone on the leafs defense and Hudler would have been amoung your scoring leaders too. Anyway stop trolling
- flashfire

1. He was ranked late 2nd on everyone's lists
2. Sure dennis wideman is good, and outscored our D. Doesn't mean he's not overpaid
3. Hudler would have been 4th on our team. He also played for the Detroit Red Wings. Still overpaid.

Criticizing a team/GM isn't trolling. it's giving an opinion.

That is the stupidest thing I have read on HB in quite some time.
- scoot174

Agreed. I stopped taking him seriously when he compared Kipper to Roli.

Maybe the Leafs weren't offering a laughable contract?

He got that offer, laughed for an hour at how idiotic Jay Feaster is, and then took the offer.

Are Flames fans actually happy with their GM? Took a 41st rated guy what? 20th?

Overpaid a 26 year old European, overpaid Jiri Hudler, and overpaid Dennis Wideman
- cor99

How long has Burke been the Leafs GM? How much has he accomplished?

Leafs fans make it so easy.

How long has Burke been the Leafs GM? How much has he accomplished?

Leafs fans make it so easy.
- FLAMES TO WIN

3 1/2 years.

He has done lots actually. With exception of the first year (Kessel trade, Komi, Beauchemin contracts) and then Connolly last season (although pressure was on him to do something) He has refilled our cupboards.

What has Jay Feaster done? Give me one good move he has made.

You haven't been on an Cloutier blog thread yet, have you? We get a lot of trolls, ignoramuses, and flat out retards from other teams to go along with stupid posters like myself every (frank)ing day! To turn the spotlight around, though, I would love to hear how you can ignore aforementioned similarities. Better yet, how do you think the Flames are going to become a relevant team again.
- MaximumBone

See this is where you guys lose me. You say we're gonna crash & burn but you are saying dont bother looking for a parachute, just turn the nose of the plane straight down & speed up the decent so we can go through the same agony you guys have the last how many years. In so many words, you are basically saying the way the Oilers have gone about rebuilding is the way to go. All I'm saying is if thats how your fan base feel, lucky you guys. Thing is I dont think we will have the luck to win any draft lotteries, we will try to pull some rabbits out of some other hats. Dont worry about us, maybe hope your team can crack 90 points this year, be a playoff team & then you may have some reason to preach the wisdom of the rebuild world..

See this is where you guys lose me. You say we're gonna crash & burn but you are saying dont bother looking for a parachute, just turn the nose of the plane straight down & speed up the decent so we can go through the same agony you guys have the last how many years. In so many words, you are basically saying the way the Oilers have gone about rebuilding is the way to go. All I'm saying is if thats how your fan base feel, lucky you guys. Thing is I dont think we will have the luck to win any draft lotteries, we will try to pull some rabbits out of some other hats. Dont worry about us, maybe hope your team can crack 90 points this year, be a playoff team & then you may have some reason to preach the wisdom of the rebuild world..
- Kevin R

You guys haven't started to rebuild yet, but you should. Many of you guys know that too.

You already have a couple of pieces in Bartschi, Irving (maybe, is still any good?)

I still don't like your pick of Jankowski, would have thought Grigensens would have been a better pick, even Ceci or Tom Wilson. Heck, even Teuvo.

Max Reinhart and Ryan Howse should be solid for you guys as well

3 1/2 years.

He has done lots actually. With exception of the first year (Kessel trade, Komi, Beauchemin contracts) and then Connolly last season (although pressure was on him to do something) He has refilled our cupboards.

What has Jay Feaster done? Give me one good move he has made.
- cor99

The guy has been GM for 1 year, drafted pretty damn good for being a month on the job, inherited godawful contracts of underachieving players & you come on here critcizing & judging. Last I saw, you guys were a lottery team & we werent. Sure glad your happy about that. Wow, I hope you arent serious & you're just trying to troll with your stupid opinions.

The guy has been GM for 1 year, drafted pretty damn good for being a month on the job, inherited godawful contracts of underachieving players & you come on here critcizing & judging. Last I saw, you guys were a lottery team & we werent. Sure glad your happy about that. Wow, I hope you arent serious & you're just trying to troll with your stupid opinions.
- Kevin R

Cool. I'm not comparing our teams at all, nor said i'm happy with the Leafs. Just stated i don't like what Feaster has done, and asked you guys if you were happy with him. You got all defensive, and i asked you to name a good move that Feaster has done. You didn't say anything.