Where I was going with that is you need to consider that Jokinens points will be missed, Moss was good for about 30pts and they brought in Cervenka who has yet to play in the NHL.
Hudler will be good for around 50-60 pts, depending on how well he does with Cervenka. So, they've essentially replaced Jokinens point totals with Hudler and you're right, it will depend how well Cervenka will do.
But at this moment, I cant say so far that they've improved the team much beyond last year. Cant be optimistic and say a guy from the KHL will do great with Hudler and put up a ton of points, nor can I be pessimistic and say with his lack of experience he may not translate well and suffer.
So, until we see how well Cervenka can move into the NHL and how the new guys play together (chemistry or not) I would say they havnt really improved too much, at this point.
Wideman was an upgrade on defense and should help in additional points from the backend, however the feeling is Bouwmeester will be moved, thus meaning Wideman is his replacement.
I do anticipate a few more moves from Feaster, however. Its still a little early. - Colin Dambrauskas
I think they are also expecting to see some added offence from the Powerplay with Wideman on the first unit as well as Baertschi's production. I think there is no doubt the Flames won't have a problem scoring this year.
Komisarek is 4.5M and actually proved himself in the NHL when he had the contract.
Reimer is 1.8.... a fair price
Connolly is 4.75 for a year, and has skill, just is injury ridden.
You signed a guy from europe for 3.75M and he has done jack squat in the NHL - cor99
*technically...
First things first, I want to make it abundantly clear that the $3.775M figure being quoted (and criticized) is the cap hit and maximum value of the contract. It is the combination of Cervenka's salary and bonuses; it is not Cervenka's 2011-2012 salary.
First things first, I want to make it abundantly clear that the $3.775M figure being quoted (and criticized) is the cap hit and maximum value of the contract. It is the combination of Cervenka's salary and bonuses; it is not Cervenka's 2011-2012 salary. With that in mind, let's delve into how much Cervenka can actually expect to make. We don't know the exact bonuses of his deal, but the CBA gives us a pretty good idea. The $3.775M figure will break down more or less like this:
1. (Almost) Guaranteed Money
$925,000 base salary 10% signing bonus - $92,500 (included in the amount above)
Basically, Cervenka will make $925,000 just for staying in the NHL all season. The rest of the $3.775M figure being quoted comes in the form of performance bonuses. These bonuses are separated into two categories, "A" bonuses and "B" bonuses.
2. "A" Bonuses
As per Exhibit 5 in the CBA, on performance bonuses:
"Individual "A" Bonuses Paid By Clubs
The maximum amount payable for any single category of Individual "A" Bonuses identified below is $212,500 per season. (For example, an Entry Level SPC may not contain bonuses of $212,500 for 20 goals and an additional $212,500 for 30 goals, provided, however, it may contain a bonus of $100,000 for 20 goals and $112,500 or 30 goals). An Entry Level SPC may contain any number of Individual "A" Bonuses; however, a Player may not receive more than $850,000 in total aggregate Individual "A" Bonuses per season. Individual "A" Bonuses are payable by the Clubs (as opposed to the League)."
The following are the minimum thresholds to reach Individual "A" Bonuses. It's possible that Cervenka and the Flames negotiated higher ones, but I consider it unlikely.
I could care less about how much he makes.... he is taking up 3.775M of your cap hit - cor99
the 3.775 cap hit may not fully count against the cap, it will depend on the new CBA.
Because the CBA is over this year, the bonuses (which if he makes in full is 2.9M worth) dont carry over and consequently count in full against the current cap.
But as mentioned, he needs to hit all goals to get 100% of the bonuses, which if accomplished, is totally worth the price. If he dosnt accomplish them, he doesnt get the full bonuses.
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Jul 16 @ 3:10 PM ET
I could care less about how much he makes.... he is taking up 3.775M of your cap hit - cor99
I'm going to call this trolling and warn you that you will be banned if you keep it up. You're welcome to talk hockey but just posting to agitate will get you a time out.
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Jul 16 @ 3:12 PM ET
Well this all depends on what the definition of better is. - Colin Dambrauskas
Interesting...
Welcome aboard, Colin! You've got some stylish shoes to fill as Vetter's replacement. Good read and I look forward to more as the season actually gets closer and some stuff actually happens.
Welcome aboard, Colin! You've got some stylish shoes to fill as Vetter's replacement. Good read and I look forward to more as the season actually gets closer and some stuff actually happens. - micah555
haha, thanks micah!
Those were one of those lines, while writing it, I thought to myself....someone, sooomones going to comment on this
Komisarek is 4.5M and actually proved himself in the NHL when he had the contract.
Reimer is 1.8.... a fair price
Connolly is 4.75 for a year, and has skill, just is injury ridden.
You signed a guy from europe for 3.75M and he has done jack squat in the NHL - cor99
My point was that every team has bad contracts (not that I think that Cervenka has a bad contract). Regardless of what you think, that is a lot of money to spend on some pretty useless players on the Leafs.
Let's see how Cervenka does before we judge his contract, shall we
I'm going to call this trolling and warn you that you will be banned if you keep it up. You're welcome to talk hockey but just posting to agitate will get you a time out. - micah555
How is it trolling? I'm saying he's overpaid and that i could care less about the technical stuff, that he is still counting 3.775 against the cap. Which is true. If they get pissed off, it's not my fault
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Jul 16 @ 4:28 PM ET
How is it trolling? I'm saying he's overpaid and that i could care less about the technical stuff, that he is still counting 3.775 against the cap. Which is true. If they get pissed off, it's not my fault - cor99
Is this even worth dignifying with a response? Sigh.
You come into the thread, type the players name, their cap hit and 2 laughing emoticons. This is trolling behavior only meant to get a reaction. Then after the nature of the contract is explained in detail (it's a standard entry level deal with bonuses), you repeat the original post. You are trying to mock Flames fans. It's text book trolling. If you persist in acting like a troll, it' not my fault if you get banned.
How is it trolling? I'm saying he's overpaid and that i could care less about the technical stuff, that he is still counting 3.775 against the cap. Which is true. If they get pissed off, it's not my fault - cor99
How do you know if he's overpaid when you don't know how good he is yet?
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Jul 16 @ 4:34 PM ET
How do you know if he's overpaid when you don't know how good he is yet? - jtommyt
Cervenka was previously linked to the Toronto Maple Leafs and Phoenix Coyotes, but didn’t make a commitment to the NHL until Wednesday, when he signed a one-year, entry-level contract worth the maximum allowed, $3.775-million, which is split between base salary and bonuses.
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Jul 16 @ 4:51 PM ET
How is it trolling? I'm saying he's overpaid and that i could care less about the technical stuff, that he is still counting 3.775 against the cap. Which is true. If they get pissed off, it's not my fault - cor99
Well, the Flames may not be a Cap Floor team but we certainly dont have the $$$$ to throw around like the Rangers & Leafs. This kid was one of the best prospects in Europe, so signing him to an entry level contract was comparable to the Oilers landing Schultz, base salary +++ bonuses. This kid like Schultz would have been a 1st rounder if they were in this years draft. So it was like the Flames got an extra 1st rounder too. I think what I gather from your criticism is we are wasting cap space on this kid when we could have used the space to sign other UFA's, I think thats your point. If the kid falls flat, his cost is under a Mill. & if he does great, he'll be worth every penny of the 3.775mill cap hit. You look like a troll when you dont explain yourself properly and you havent really educated yourself on the whole situation. If the Leafs had scored the same deal, I think your tune would probably be a whole lot different. Personally I dont know a lot about this player, do you? Have you seen him play that we shouldnt of bothered signing him? Thats a different argument. To say its a bad contract is simply wrong, I know as we have had our share of bad contracts & still do. Can I interest you in a Matt Stajan special?
Well, the Flames may not be a Cap Floor team but we certainly dont have the $$$$ to throw around like the Rangers & Leafs. This kid was one of the best prospects in Europe, so signing him to an entry level contract was comparable to the Oilers landing Schultz, base salary +++ bonuses. This kid like Schultz would have been a 1st rounder if they were in this years draft. So it was like the Flames got an extra 1st rounder too. I think what I gather from your criticism is we are wasting cap space on this kid when we could have used the space to sign other UFA's, I think thats your point. If the kid falls flat, his cost is under a Mill. & if he does great, he'll be worth every penny of the 3.775mill cap hit. You look like a troll when you dont explain yourself properly and you havent really educated yourself on the whole situation. If the Leafs had scored the same deal, I think your tune would probably be a whole lot different. Personally I dont know a lot about this player, do you? Have you seen him play that we shouldnt of bothered signing him? Thats a different argument. To say its a bad contract is simply wrong, I know as we have had our share of bad contracts & still do. Can I interest you in a Matt Stajan special? - Kevin R
Well said!
Back to the article at hand, I think the BOA is starting to ramp up again. Especially with how cocky some of the Oilers fans are getting thinking they are guaranteed the cup in 2-3 years.
The past 3-4 years have been pretty pathetic on the BOA front, especially considering how badly the Flames have pasted the Oil (much like Vancouver has had Calgary's number). In any case, i'm sure Oilers nation can't wait to have their first crack at Calgary.
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Jul 16 @ 5:41 PM ET
Realistically the flames haven't been a playoff contender for the last three seasons. This one will be no different. They'll finish between 9th and 12th. The longer it takes them to get mathmatically eliminated the more likely it will be for them to hold on to Iggy and Kipper for another season. The longer this goes on the worse the Flames will get until they are eventually forced into a rebuild like the Oilers were. If they trade Iggy and Kiprusoff now they can speed a 5 year rebuild up to a 2 or 3 year rebuild with the assets they could get back. Kippersoff alone could command a kings ransom. If teams like Washington, Philly, and Chicago had him they would turn into cup favorites over night. If I'm a flames fan as hard as it would be to see these guys go, it's within the best intrest of the franchies. - Oilersforlife
I wonder about Kiprusoff's value. He's got a more attractive short term contract than Luongo (and one that is very low in real dollars), but Lu is on the market right now and he commands a lesser cap hit. He's younger and arguably equal to or better than Kipper. What kind of price does the last 2 years of Kipper's contract command?
And Philly is stuck with Bryzgalov, no way they can take another $6m cap hit for goaltending.
I wonder about Kiprusoff's value. He's got a more attractive short term contract than Luongo (and one that is very low in real dollars), but Lu is on the market right now and he commands a lesser cap hit. He's younger and arguably equal to or better than Kipper. What kind of price does the last 2 years of Kipper's contract command?
And Philly is stuck with Bryzgalov, no way they can take another $6m cap hit for goaltending. - micah555
I'd take Bryz contract in a trade for Kipper if it meant Schenn/ Couturier with a 1st and 2nd
