- UIF

In all fairness........Canada started off crappy in that game if my memory serves, and they were down like 6-1 midway thru the third. They came back and made it 6-5, with Strome hitting the post to tie it up.....

In the end yes the Russian Junior team did win..........but the Canadian kids showed heart coming back from down 6-1. Lots of guys would have mailed it in....

13th out of all forwards in GA per 20 min of ice???? I didnt realize that STATISTIC was even offered. Who was leading the pack for GA in 18:32 of ice in the 3rd period on saturday games?

How often do NHL players call out teamates in the media? That alone should tell you something.

Ovechkin and Semin did whatever they wanted under Boudreau. Theres a reason why Ovie and Semin didnt see the same ice under Dale Hunter. This game is played on both ends of the ice.

Ovechkin gets a pass because of his battle level......
- kindlyrick

Yes, as in GF/GA per 20 min of ice time is an adjusted common denominator to compare stats across the league by. But I don't expect you to take things like "proven math" into account when looking at a player. The type of little flag next to his name on nhl.com and a game of Capitals telephone clearly says enough.

Yes, as in GF/GA per 20 min of ice time is an adjusted common denominator to compare stats across the league by. But I don't expect you to take things like "proven math" into account when looking at a player. The type little flag next to his name on nhl.com and a game of Capitals telephone clearly says enough.
- eichiefs9

What are you proving that Semin is solely looking to score goals, which by the way negates that differential of GA? Based on what stat you're talking about, id say you're referring to +/- which is a skewed stat.

Please explain the last sentence.......i read it 5 times and still a no go....

Yes, as in GF/GA per 20 min of ice time is an adjusted common denominator to compare stats across the league by. But I don't expect you to take things like "proven math" into account when looking at a player. The type of little flag next to his name on nhl.com and a game of Capitals telephone clearly says enough.
- eichiefs9

Proven Math??? Dude this game is so much more than proven math.

Matt Bradley called out Ovechkin too, big whoop. Who cares. His other teammates have defended him also. Opinion is subject to interpretation, cold hard facts are not. Facts like Semin ranked 13th out of all forwards in the league in GA per 20min of ice time. For the record that was 18 spots better than this year's Selke winner.
- eichiefs9

Hmmmmm yeah im gonna go with Bergeron over Semin

What are you proving that Semin is solely looking to score goals, which by the way negates that differential of GA? Based on what stat you're talking about, id say you're referring to +/- which is a skewed stat.

Please explain the last sentence.......i read it 5 times and still a no go....
- kindlyrick

Goals scored has nothing to do with the stat at all, as does +/-. The number simply means that "for every 20 minutes of 5v5 hockey that Semin plays, he is on the ice foran average of X amount of goals against" In the case of the past season, that number was .694 GA/20min of ice time, which was good for 13th best in the entire league among all forwards.

I'm not going to bother to posting the chart that's referred to below because I'd have to spend another 12 posts explaining it, here is the write-up referring to the Capitals GA20 chart, regarding Semin:

In this table bubbles in the lower right or below the 1:1 line are good as this indicates the player had a lower GA20 with Semin than without. Except for Ovechkin in 2010-11 the majority of the bubbles are pretty close to the 1:1 line or slightly below. This would seem to indicate that Semin is not a defensive liability which is relatively rare for quality offensive players. Frequently producing big offensive numbers comes at a cost of defensive performance but this does not seem to be true for Semin.

Hmmmmm yeah im gonna go with Bergeron over Semin
- kindlyrick

Never said I would take Semin over Bergeron, nor that this game is as simple as statistics and other math. That doesn't mean you can't make a point with it.

I'll stop with the statistics, because I'm not one of the guys that is going to put all his eggs in one basket as far as determining quality players from those that are not quality players. There are undoubtedly other factors.

My point was that judging a player based on his perceived image and jumping to conclusions because of where he was born is stupid and short-sighted. Love him or hate him as a player/teammate/person, he would help this team.

Never said I would take Semin over Bergeron, nor that this game is as simple as statistics and other math. That doesn't mean you can't make a point with it.

I'll stop with the statistics, because I'm not one of the guys that is going to put all his eggs in one basket as far as determining quality players from those that are not quality players. There are undoubtedly other factors.

My point was that judging a player based on his perceived image and jumping to conclusions because of where he was born is stupid and short-sighted. Love him or hate him as a player/teammate/person, he would help this team.
- eichiefs9

I base my decisions based on what ive seen, read, and heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM

http://www.csnwashington....in-on-radio-show-8-17.htm

Painfully slow regarding hockey moves. Someone turn trades back on. It's like Washington DC. Someone do something. I must be getting old. I do not have the patience anymore.

That meant as a conversation-starter or as an indictment? As a conversation starter, excellent. Anything to pick up the pace. As an indictment, it doesn't really hold water. If you read a really bad magazine, you can point out how bad that magazine is and what little it does for you without necessarily having the know-how to put out a better one, no? Same deal with criticizing a sports team that chronically underperforms. I don't know exactly how to get better players or what it would take. But I can see plain as day that what we've trotted out there in recent years ain't enough. We have people whose full-time jobs are addressing the exact points in your post. If stuff goes wrong for years, they're the ones who should probably be held accountable, not random dissatisfied fans.
- UIF

So you dont know any players or how you would get them?

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wishart must have massive balls...since he is a below average ahl dman...he has some nerve turning that down
- NYI78

Or he has an Agent that is a complete moron

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I also fell for the AMAC hype two years ago as well
- Vukota

He's no Jack Hillen!!!

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As crazy as it sounds, I'd at least consider that deal. I thought Streit was flat out horrible last year and certainly didn't think he brought anything to the table as a Captain. If we were a year futher in de Haans development I'd probably feel a lot better about the idea. No doubt Gomez has been a dog but I think he'd be a suitable replacement for PA since they play a very similar game. Unfortunately he's another lefty, which we don't need as much.

***edit....I'm not really saying I'd do this...just saying I wouldn't dismiss it as ludacris
- keaner17

If the Islanders had any defensive depth, you could consider this deal. That deal actually gives the Isles a second line center (albeit, an exorbidantly overpaid, crappy one) and more importantly, another first round pick which could be a top ten pick, based on how MTL finished last year. The problem is, you move Streit, you lose one of your top four d-men and have nobody ready to step in to fill that slot. This team's "D" was miserable last year and it cost them in the end.

Pickin on me?? Why would I think that. I just don't like explaining myself over to people who just pick and choose certain words or sentences and highlight them without understanding my point. You don't like Semin ok fine
- Vukota

I agree with you on Semin. On a one-year deal, I don't think Semin would be a bad investment. If he is useless, he's gone after one season. If he works out, then move him at the deadline if the team's out of the playoff hunt for a pick/prospect or hold onto him if the team is still in it. People act as if the Isles sign Semin, it has to be forever. It doesn't. In case nobody's seen, Semin has no takers right now. Nobody is touching him. Why not offer him a one year deal for a sizable number to get him here and let him re-establish his market value like Boyes intends on doing?

I agree with you on Semin. On a one-year deal, I don't think Semin would be a bad investment. If he is useless, he's gone after one season. If he works out, then move him at the deadline if the team's out of the playoff hunt for a pick/prospect or hold onto him if the team is still in it. People act as if the Isles sign Semin, it has to be forever. It doesn't. In case nobody's seen, Semin has no takers right now. Nobody is touching him. Why not offer him a one year deal for a sizable number to get him here and let him re-establish his market value like Boyes intends on doing?
- Jethro09

I've heard that's NOT true. Detroit and New Jersey have supposedly been in constant talks with him. I think Ek said the 'Flyers' too!

As for Semin, I don't see him taking a one year deal.

If the Islanders had any defensive depth, you could consider this deal. That deal actually gives the Isles a second line center (albeit, an exorbidantly overpaid, crappy one) and more importantly, another first round pick which could be a top ten pick, based on how MTL finished last year. The problem is, you move Streit, you lose one of your top four d-men and have nobody ready to step in to fill that slot. This team's "D" was miserable last year and it cost them in the end.
- Jethro09

Agreed. Hence my comment about de Haan being a year further in his development.

So you dont know any players or how you would get them?

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- XxNYIxX

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I know of plenty of players, obviously. I don't know which ones are available or what the asking price is because I have not spoken to many GMs lately. I don't know what the remaining FAs are looking for because I haven't spoken to their agents lately.

I don't mind throwing out fictional scenarios like we do here for the sake of conversation and debate, I just think it's ridiculous when a fan criticizes management and the reflexive response is, "Well let's hear how you'd do it better." Let's face it, if we're setting the bar for a good GM on whether he is better at it than I am, then our expectations are pretty darn low around here! I know very little about what the job actually entails...I sure hope someone who holds the position is a bit more skilled at it that I am. All I see is us picking in the top five consistently while the team hits the ice every year with the same glaring holes. That doesn't scream exceptional management to me.

He's no Jack Hillen!!!

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