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Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:50 AM ET
lol
- OrangeBlack27



ty i was hoping that didn't get missed
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 9 @ 10:50 AM ET
He's an excellent all-around player. If his name was Cam Johnston, he'd be signing an 8 year, $60 million contract.
- bradleyc4


lol good hockey name.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 9 @ 10:50 AM ET
He's an excellent all-around player. If his name was Cam Johnston, he'd be signing an 8 year, $60 million contract.
- bradleyc4

Are you calling the NHL racialist?
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:50 AM ET
the Phils are in a similar situation as the flyers were....they should have a top 5 draft pick and trade Hamels, Lee and Victorino for major league prospects...waalaa
- vejim


he's a 28 year old ace.... do anything you can to bring him back. get rid of anyone else on the roster, he's the most important asset they have

you only consider it if he flat out will not sign here, imo
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:51 AM ET
He's an excellent all-around player. If his name was Cam Johnston, he'd be signing an 8 year, $60 million contract.
- bradleyc4


Is it fair to say that the Russian stigma is becoming a problem in the NHL?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:52 AM ET
Juicy numbers too.
- NickTheKid87

juicy Semin
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 9 @ 10:52 AM ET
I like Schenn as a player.. but we traded a top six forward NOW, for a bottom pairing d-man with upside NOW. Like someone else said, neither have played a game for their new team, but I still think we didnt get enough.
- jak521


Not a big JVR fan.....Lazy/invisible most nights....stats dont lie.

The thing with JVR is:

Potential is high. Work ethic is meh.

Let the flaming begin
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:53 AM ET
he's a 28 year old ace.... do anything you can to bring him back. get rid of anyone else on the roster, he's the most important asset they have

you only consider it if he flat out will not sign here, imo

- FlyerMike18

sort of like Richards, Carter
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:54 AM ET
lol good hockey name.
- OrangeBlack27


good prairie kid who grew up on a farm with 6 brothers and one forgotten sister
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:55 AM ET
He's an excellent all-around player. If his name was Cam Johnston, he'd be signing an 8 year, $60 million contract.
- bradleyc4


The Flyers should have serious interest in Semin. Thats my opinion of course. If they could sign him 2 years at 5.5M you do it. The Flyers cant afford to trade any assests at this point which makes Ryan and Nash not realistic imo.

Obviously go after Doan first but thats a long shot as well.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 9 @ 10:56 AM ET
sort of like Richards, Carter
- vejim


the situations are so completely different that it seems illogical to even discuss it
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
sort of like Richards, Carter
- vejim


Hamels is more like Giroux that Richards and Carter.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
the situations are so completely different that it seems illogical to even discuss it
- FlyerMike18


I'm all for keeping Hamels but signing another player to a long-term $25M a year contract just doesnt seem like the right move. They have to move other players first. If they cant do that then you trade Hamels for a boat load of prospects.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 9 @ 10:59 AM ET
Hamels is more like Giroux that Richards and Carter.
- NickTheKid87

at the time, Richards and Carter were the flyers best players
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 9 @ 11:00 AM ET
Not a big JVR fan.....Lazy/invisible most nights....stats dont lie.

The thing with JVR is:

Potential is high. Work ethic is meh.

Let the flaming begin

- Philly1980

Normal for a young kid early in his career.

Couldnt disagree more about his work ethic.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:00 AM ET
at the time, Richards and Carter were the flyers best players
- vejim


When they were traded? Giroux had already surpassed them.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 9 @ 11:00 AM ET
The Flyers should have serious interest in Semin. Thats my opinion of course. If they could sign him 2 years at 5.5M you do it. The Flyers cant afford to trade any assests at this point which makes Ryan and Nash not realistic imo.

Obviously go after Doan first but thats a long shot as well.

- stveshdy

I agree..

Its not like he is a Radulov or Z
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:01 AM ET
Normal for a young kid early in his career.

Couldnt disagree more about his work ethic.

- jak521

Yeah, I see no basis for criticizing his work ethic.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:03 AM ET
I agree..

Its not like he is a Radulov or Z

- jak521


I think Semin would be fine playing here in Philly. Hartnell, Giroux and Semin is a very good first line.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 9 @ 11:04 AM ET
I'm all for keeping Hamels but signing another player to a long-term $25M a year contract just doesnt seem like the right move. They have to move other players first. If they cant do that then you trade Hamels for a boat load of prospects.
- stveshdy


fair enough..... go for it, Rube
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 9 @ 11:06 AM ET
I think Semin would be fine playing here in Philly. Hartnell, Giroux and Semin is a very good first line.
- stveshdy

He would get killed here because he can take nights off.. and shift to shift can be two totally different people, but when he plays his best he is one of the best in the league. He is a true sniper. Most of the time he plays at his B level and is still a very good player. Big guy too (which was surprising to me) listed at 6'2 210
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 9 @ 11:06 AM ET
Normal for a young kid early in his career.

Couldnt disagree more about his work ethic.

- jak521


Giroux is around his age and is not invisible....for a guy his size and supposed talent level he doesnt play it.

With work ethic i mean that

1. He is not willing to take the pain and go to the net as most guys his size should.

2. Not physical enough.

3. Most games he is invisible.

4. Good forbid he breaks a nail while trying to get garbage goals.

Not:

1. He doesnt train in the offseason

2. He doesnt practice hard.
huks99
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Austin, TX
Joined: 10.05.2007

Jul 9 @ 11:10 AM ET
Test
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:10 AM ET
Giroux is around his age and is not invisible....for a guy his size and supposed talent level he doesnt play it.

With work ethic i mean that

1. He is not willing to take the pain and go to the net as most guys his size should.

2. Not physical enough.

3. Most games he is invisible.

4. Good forbid he breaks a nail while trying to get garbage goals.

Not:

1. He doesnt train in the offseason

2. He doesnt practice hard.

- Philly1980


Don't need him to get the garbage goals. That's Hartsy's job. He'd easily score 35-40 goals in an offensive system like he did before they started to play a more defensive style in Washington. He could hit 45 with Giroux if he can stay healthy.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 9 @ 11:14 AM ET
He would get killed here because he can take nights off.. and shift to shift can be two totally different people, but when he plays his best he is one of the best in the league. He is a true sniper. Most of the time he plays at his B level and is still a very good player. Big guy too (which was surprising to me) listed at 6'2 210
- jak521


I think a lot has to do with the environment, locker room setting, and coaching. In Washington the players pretty much did whatever they wanted until Hunter took over. Semin is going to have bad nights that happens to most players but if hes playing hard I dont think people will get on him.

He makes the most sense to me after Doan (which I think is a 5% chance he comes here) to go after Semin.
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