Guess after the Doan fiasco has settled down, we will see where everyone eles falls
- bigmookalookie

I'm sure we will. At some point the damn has to burst.

Guy can score, if he wants to sign for a good price I wouldnt object
- bigmookalookie

My lone concern with a Semin deal would be term.

At what point does a guy stop having potential and starting being what he is?

Bobby Ryan is going to be 26...
- jak521

Exactly what I was thinking.

Guy can score, if he wants to sign for a good price I wouldnt object
- bigmookalookie

I'd just hate the stories to be true...but I do think there's at least some truth to the whole "If Semin's name was Cam Johnston he'd be signing a 7 year, $40mm deal" thing.

Semin. Mainly because I think Doan's going to be real popular, and Semin has the "baggage"
- Jsaquella

I believe Homer is smart enough to not overpay for Ryan. I do believe it will be Voracek and not Read. Read is just too much value with his contract to move. However, in the end I think they are pretty much done and Voracek may actually sign a multi-year deal, which I'm okay with that happening.

I believe Homer is smart enough to not overpay for Ryan. I do believe it will be Voracek and not Read. Read is just too much value with his contract to move. However, in the end I think they are pretty much done and Voracek may actually sign a multi-year deal, which I'm okay with that happening.
- ravishingone

I really have no problem with anyone, so long as they avoid overpaying.

I trust Holmgren to only make real commitments to guys that will fit in and help

Again, I agree. Getzlaf is an awesome player and one of the best pure playmaking centers in the league, no doubt about it.

However, Giroux has better vision and is the better player at this point in time IMO.
- LordStanley88

But the difference isn't so large to turn Ryan from a 35 goal scorer, to a 50 goal scorer.

I really have no problem with anyone, so long as they avoid overpaying.

I trust Holmgren to only make real commitments to guys that will fit in and help
- Jsaquella

I genuinely believe Homer when he stated he really likes this team. I think he wouldn't mind acquiring a free agent to help the club, hence the pursuit of Parise and Suter. I question how much they were pursuing Nash as far as assets. I believe Howson was calling Homer more then vice versa. I believe the organization likes Ryan, but in no way they are overpaying to get him.

Speaking of overpaying, what is Voracek's value on a multi-year contract. Do they do a deal in years, which gets him to UFA? Or does the contract dig into further years? It would be an interesting discussion with Svoboda on money and terms. I think he is a $4 million/yr player, but the length of the contract is where the real negotiating is being waged in my opinion.

I genuinely believe Homer when he stated he really likes this team. I think he wouldn't mind acquiring a free agent to help the club, hence the pursuit of Parise and Suter. I question how much they were pursuing Nash as far as assets. I believe Howson was calling Homer more then vice versa. I believe the organization likes Ryan, but in no way they are overpaying to get him.

Speaking of overpaying, what is Voracek's value on a multi-year contract. Do they do a deal in years, which gets him to UFA? Or does the contract dig into further years? It would be an interesting discussion with Svoboda on money and terms. I think he is a $4 million/yr player, but the length of the contract is where the real negotiating is being waged in my opinion.
- ravishingone

My guess is that Voracek ends up with a hit similar to David Perron's new deal(which is a $3.7mm hit). As far as years, I have no idea. I'd like to see him sign a deal like Perron's, in term and cash (3 years was the term)

I genuinely believe Homer when he stated he really likes this team. I think he wouldn't mind acquiring a free agent to help the club, hence the pursuit of Parise and Suter. I question how much they were pursuing Nash as far as assets. I believe Howson was calling Homer more then vice versa. I believe the organization likes Ryan, but in no way they are overpaying to get him.

Speaking of overpaying, what is Voracek's value on a multi-year contract. Do they do a deal in years, which gets him to UFA? Or does the contract dig into further years? It would be an interesting discussion with Svoboda on money and terms. I think he is a $4 million/yr player, but the length of the contract is where the real negotiating is being waged in my opinion.
- ravishingone

He has also said in the past, "I always like our team." But that he's also always looking to improve the team. That's what a GM should be doing. No sitting on laurels (which can be wienerly, anyway).

EDIT: oh my the filter and completely innocuous words!

I genuinely believe Homer when he stated he really likes this team. I think he wouldn't mind acquiring a free agent to help the club, hence the pursuit of Parise and Suter. I question how much they were pursuing Nash as far as assets. I believe Howson was calling Homer more then vice versa. I believe the organization likes Ryan, but in no way they are overpaying to get him.

Speaking of overpaying, what is Voracek's value on a multi-year contract. Do they do a deal in years, which gets him to UFA? Or does the contract dig into further years? It would be an interesting discussion with Svoboda on money and terms. I think he is a $4 million/yr player, but the length of the contract is where the real negotiating is being waged in my opinion.
- ravishingone

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I wrote a post the other day about this. The Flyers are an aggressive franchise that is always looking to make major moves to improve the team. I don't know who it's going to be, and when it's going to happen. But the Flyers will eventually makes some kind of move. And they most likely will overpay to do it.

He has also said in the past, "I always like our team." But that he's also always looking to improve the team. That's what a GM should be doing. No sitting on laurels (which can be wienerly, anyway).

EDIT: oh my the filter and completely innocuous words!
- bodiva88

It's still not as bad as Clarke, who had Vancouver on hold discussing the Garth Snow for Sean Burke trade while telling the media he wasn't trading for a goalie

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I wrote a post the other day about this. The Flyers are an aggressive franchise that is always looking to make major moves to improve the team. I don't know who it's going to be, and when it's going to happen. But the Flyers will eventually makes some kind of move. And they most likely will overpay to do it.
- MJL

I should have said, I'm OK with anyone, as long as they don;t vastly overpay

My guess is that Voracek ends up with a hit similar to David Perron's new deal(which is a $3.7mm hit). As far as years, I have no idea. I'd like to see him sign a deal like Perron's, in term and cash (3 years was the term)
- Jsaquella

Well Voracek will be eligible for UFA status after the 14/15 Season. So a 3 year deal for him would make sense. Unless the Flyers want to overpay now to buy some of the those UFA years down the road.

Well Voracek will be eligible for UFA status after the 14/15 Season. So a 3 year deal for him would make sense. Unless the Flyers want to overpay now to buy some of the those UFA years down the road.
- MJL

I'd really rather see what the new CBA has in store before worrying about delaying UFA for a year or three.

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I wrote a post the other day about this. The Flyers are an aggressive franchise that is always looking to make major moves to improve the team. I don't know who it's going to be, and when it's going to happen. But the Flyers will eventually makes some kind of move. And they most likely will overpay to do it.
- MJL

I think they overspend on contracts given out money wise, but I don't necessarily agree with parting assets to acquire new players. Off the top of my head with Homer in charge:

Fair trades:

Kimmo/Hartnell from Nashville
-Pronger (I know this one can be debated)
-Grossmann
-Richards
-Carter
-Grossmann
-Bryzgalov
-JVR
-Bob

Bad trades:

-Kubina


I'm sure I'm missing more from both sides, but I think Homer has done pretty well in the trade market. Clarkie, not so much.

I think they overspend on contracts given out money wise, but I don't necessarily agree with parting assets to acquire new players. Off the top of my head with Homer in charge:

Fair trades:

Kimmo/Hartnell from Nashville
-Pronger (I know this one can be debated)
-Grossmann
-Richards
-Carter
-Grossmann
-Bryzgalov
-JVR
-Bob

Bad trades:

-Kubina


I'm sure I'm missing more from both sides, but I think Homer has done pretty well in the trade market. Clarkie, not so much.
- ravishingone

Both Versteeg trades were bad, but Homers positives far outweigh the negatives in my mind.

I think they overspend on contracts given out money wise, but I don't necessarily agree with parting assets to acquire new players. Off the top of my head with Homer in charge:

Fair trades:

Kimmo/Hartnell from Nashville
-Pronger (I know this one can be debated)
-Grossmann
-Richards
-Carter
-Grossmann
-Bryzgalov
-JVR
-Bob

Bad trades:

-Kubina


I'm sure I'm missing more from both sides, but I think Homer has done pretty well in the trade market. Clarkie, not so much.
- ravishingone

My post was about major moves. Certainly they overspent on the Pronger deal, and certainly in giving up a first round pick to acquire the rights to Timonen and Hartnell, then overspent in the contracts. In Carter and Richards, they were trading the best players in the deals, so that is not a situation where they would overspend.

My definition of major moves is acquiring top players, either by trade or in Free Agency. Grossmann and Kubina aren't top players.

Stats don't account for lazy penalty minutes and being a heartless and gutless puke. Semin would be a train wreck on this team. He'd be boo'd and sulk before it even turned November.
- Flyers1218

You asked in what world is Semin as good as Ryan. I said the stats show that he is as good. I think both players have had prior coaches and fans raise concerns about their defensive play. I don't see a huge difference in the players, including their style of play and "heart".

I think if Semin was a good ol' Canadian boy from the farm somewhere he'd be getting Parise money. Andy btw, his last 5 year's stats are better than Parise's too, or at least every bit as good.

EDIT: Lot's of twitter chatter that he might be signing with the Pens. Which of course will mean he will kill the Flyers for years to come. Sigh...

Both Versteeg trades were bad, but Homers positives far outweigh the negatives in my mind.
- hereticpride

Another example of overpaying. Giving up a first rounder for Versteeg. I would of preferred they have kept Versteeg for that price

You asked in what world is Semin as good as Ryan. I said the stats show that he is as good. I think both players have had prior coaches and fans raise concerns about their defensive play. I don't see a huge difference in the players, including their style of play and "heart".

I think if Semin was a good ol' Canadian boy from the farm somewhere he'd be getting Parise money. Andy btw, his last 5 year's stats are better than Parise's too, or at least every bit as good.
- BringBack25

Image. He takes some games off and hes lazy. Isn't a player in Washington that didnt do the same thing. When Hunter took over Semin was a different player imo. I believe he's worth looking at as an option.

Image. He takes some games off and hes lazy. Isn't a player in Washington that didnt do the same thing. When Hunter took over Semin was a different player imo. I believe he's worth looking at as an option.
- stveshdy

I agree. I wouldn't go long term with him, but I'd be willing to give him a shot on a shorter deal. May be a moot point now - hearing he's signing with the Pens, although nothing confirmed yet.

My guess is that Voracek ends up with a hit similar to David Perron's new deal(which is a $3.7mm hit). As far as years, I have no idea. I'd like to see him sign a deal like Perron's, in term and cash (3 years was the term)
- Jsaquella

While I think Voracek is a fine player with upside, can you really justify him @ 3.7M when your cornerstone Giroux is @ 3.75M and signed that last year after a break out season that was better than Voracek?

While I think Voracek is a fine player with upside, can you really justify him @ 3.7M when your cornerstone Giroux is @ 3.75M and signed that last year after a break out season that was better than Voracek?
- bgratch

Salaries escalate. Giroux will get his money in a few years.

While I think Voracek is a fine player with upside, can you really justify him @ 3.7M when your cornerstone Giroux is @ 3.75M and signed that last year after a break out season that was better than Voracek?
- bgratch

Absolutely. The cap increases determine a player's value. David Perron is a similar player to Voracek in production, time in league and potential. He got $3.8mm for 3 years last week.

Other factors, like UFA eligibility play a role, too. Giroux will get his pay day in 2 years.