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LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 9 @ 4:27 PM ET
yea so when push to comes to shove we get the classic 10th grade cop-out have a nice day. Gotta get going anyway.
- JoeRussomanno




I really have no clue where you're coming from. I don't think Jake will score 40. That's an educated guess based on his skill level and talents. That doesn't mean it won't happen, but I'd certainly bet on it not happening.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 9 @ 4:27 PM ET
....and you also made an educated guess/projection that you somehow know is a fact.

I don't see where you're going, here.

- Giroux_Is_God


Care to elaborate?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 9 @ 4:29 PM ET
I wouldn't include Laughton on top of Voracek & MAB. I'd be fine with those two alone.

My first preference is to sign Doan as a FA, if at all possible. My second preference is to stand pat and see what the kids can do or if the prices drop.

- Jsaquella


Nothing wrong with those 2 routes either. I certainly approve.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 9 @ 4:33 PM ET
The numbers tell you they are just about the same player in any world you want to look at.

last five seasons:

Ryan (332 games)
126 goals
123 assists
259 points
+37
102 ES goals

Semin (351 games)

149 goals
164 assists
313 points
+74
112 ES goals

- BringBack25

Stats don't account for lazy penalty minutes and being a heartless and gutless puke. Semin would be a train wreck on this team. He'd be boo'd and sulk before it even turned November.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 9 @ 4:34 PM ET
Stats don't account for lazy penalty minutes and being a heartless and gutless puke. Semin would be a train wreck on this team. He'd be boo'd and sulk before it even turned November.
- Flyers1218




I'm outta here.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
Have traded for Weber and Ryan yet?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
Stats don't account for lazy penalty minutes and being a heartless and gutless puke. Semin would be a train wreck on this team. He'd be boo'd and sulk before it even turned November.
- Flyers1218


You do realize that some of the same complaints have been raised against Ryan, too, right?

He did not get along with Randy Carlyle well, because Carlyle ripped him for being half-assed and cutting corners defensively and not working hard enough all the time.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 4:38 PM ET
Per Panaccio, Sestito's deal is for $605K, one year. In other words, he simply accepted the Flyers Q offer.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 9 @ 4:40 PM ET
Care to elaborate?
- LordStanley88

Sure!

You come out and grill Joe and want to make a bet with him because he doesn't believe your assertion that it's basically set in stone that Voracek will never pot 40, even though you're only speculating yourself.

It's sort of hypocritical....

But hey. I'm no Dr. Phil.

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 9 @ 4:43 PM ET
Per Panaccio, Sestito's deal is for $605K, one year. In other words, he simply accepted the Flyers Q offer.
- Jsaquella

'Tito not care about contract, 'Tito just want smash.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 9 @ 4:48 PM ET
Let's go after Doan because we have about a 5% chance of signing him and I'm sure will be the only team looking to add him. Doan will get his four years.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 4:49 PM ET
'Tito not care about contract, 'Tito just want smash.
- BulliesPhan87


I'm not a fan of the guy, but he's willing to hit and be physical, and he does skate well for a 6'5" 230 lbs man.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 4:51 PM ET
Let's go after Doan because we have about a 5% chance of signing him and I'm sure will be the only team looking to add him. Doan will get his four years.
- stveshdy


I'd go after Doan because I think he'd be ideal for the Flyers needs up front. He's still capable of 20+ goals and 50+ points. He's got great leadership qualities and he's a big, nasty bastard to boot.

I do worry about the 35+ thing, but the other factors outweigh that for me
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 9 @ 4:52 PM ET
Let's go after Doan because we have about a 5% chance of signing him and I'm sure will be the only team looking to add him. Doan will get his four years.
- stveshdy


I agree he will get his four years, and I hope it isn't the Flyers signing him.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 9 @ 4:52 PM ET
I'd go after Doan because I think he'd be ideal for the Flyers needs up front. He's still capable of 20+ goals and 50+ points. He's got great leadership qualities and he's a big, nasty bastard to boot.

I do worry about the 35+ thing, but the other factors outweigh that for me

- Jsaquella


If you had to guess, who do the Flyers have a more legit shot at acquiring: Semin or Doan?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 9 @ 4:56 PM ET
I'm not a fan of the guy, but he's willing to hit and be physical, and he does skate well for a 6'5" 230 lbs man.
- Jsaquella

I'm inconclusive on him. I wouldn't mind seeing what he can do for the Flyers, but I'm not banking on him being 'just what the doctor ordered'.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 4:56 PM ET
http://www.sportsology.in...o/Thoughts-On-Flyers-Camp

Good stuff on the rookies from Russ Cohen.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 4:57 PM ET
If you had to guess, who do the Flyers have a more legit shot at acquiring: Semin or Doan?
- bradleyc4


Semin. Mainly because I think Doan's going to be real popular, and Semin has the "baggage"
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 4:57 PM ET
If you had to guess, who do the Flyers have a more legit shot at acquiring: Semin or Doan?
- bradleyc4

I would say doan.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 4:58 PM ET
Semin. Mainly because I think Doan's going to be real popular, and Semin has the "baggage"
- Jsaquella

My thing is, do the Flyers want him?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 9 @ 5:00 PM ET
My thing is, do the Flyers want him?
- bigmookalookie


If the price stays high on Ryan and Doan decides to stay out West....I'm not sure. My objection to him has waned. I been watching clips, the guy is a very talented scorer.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:01 PM ET
http://www.sportsology.info/Thoughts-On-Flyers-Camp

Good stuff on the rookies from Russ Cohen.

- Jsaquella

That was a nice read. As with homer, if these guys keep impressing they will get signed
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:02 PM ET
If the price stays high on Ryan and Doan decides to stay out West....I'm not sure. My objection to him has waned. I been watching clips, the guy is a very talented scorer.
- Jsaquella

Guess after the Doan fiasco has settled down, we will see where everyone eles falls
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 9 @ 5:03 PM ET
The numbers tell you they are just about the same player in any world you want to look at.

last five seasons:

Ryan (332 games)
126 goals
123 assists
259 points
+37
102 ES goals

Semin (351 games)

149 goals
164 assists
313 points
+74
112 ES goals

- BringBack25


The difference is that Semin isn't the current grass is greener golden boy. That's put on a pedestal and deemed a star! They are about equal. And truth be known, I'm really not interested in either.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 9 @ 5:04 PM ET
If the price stays high on Ryan and Doan decides to stay out West....I'm not sure. My objection to him has waned. I been watching clips, the guy is a very talented scorer.
- Jsaquella

Guy can score, if he wants to sign for a good price I wouldnt object
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