At what point does a guy stop having potential and starting being what he is?

Bobby Ryan is going to be 26...
- jak521

Well, he has 4 30+ goal seasons under his belt. Voracek hasn't even come to close to touching that.

Second off, he's yet to receive consistent 1st unit PP time.

Giroux is also > Getzlaf

I'd say he'd be an instant hit here, although that's obviously not a sure thing.

That would depend on how Read does then.

Moving forward, I'd definitely take Ryan over Voracek, although I'm a big fan of the latter's. The problem is what Anaheim would want on top of Jake.
- LordStanley88

That's the thing. Voracek is a talented player, who could be a good producer in the league. Read has a 20 goal season on his resume, plays on the PK and can play the PP, has good speed and can play wing or center.

I wouldn't trade Voracek and more than a pick or middle of the road prospect for Rayn-and I like Ryan.

Sure, but if this guy was such a great and impact player, then why are McPhee and the Caps not pushing to keep this guy?
- LordStanley88

Here is the biggest knock on Semin.. If he played the way he is capable of all the time.. hed be a top 5-10 player in the league. He coasts too much, and doesnt give it his all.

But at the end of the day he is still damn near a ppg player.

That's the thing. Voracek is a talented player, who could be a good producer in the league. Read has a 20 goal season on his resume, plays on the PK and can play the PP, has good speed and can play wing or center.

I wouldn't trade Voracek and more than a pick or middle of the road prospect for Rayn-and I like Ryan.
- Jsaquella

I'd do Jake, MAB, Cousins/Laughton, and a pick. No more than that.

Well, he has 4 30+ goal seasons under his belt. Voracek hasn't even come to close to touching that.

Second off, he's yet to receive consistent 1st unit PP time.

Giroux is also > Getzlaf

I'd say he'd be an instant hit here, although that's obviously not a sure thing.
- LordStanley88

Voracek is at the age where Ryan started to do that, they're not the same age.

Ryan could also potentially fall in love with crack cocaine and end up with a severe case of Hep C.
- jak521

keep him away from Camden

Here is the biggest knock on Semin.. If he played the way he is capable of all the time.. hed be a top 5-10 player in the league. He coasts too much, and doesnt give it his all.

But at the end of the day he is still damn near a ppg player.
- jak521

Agreed. He's the new Kovalev.

But clubs certainly don't seem to be lining up to get this guy on their roster, hence my point. Meanwhile, I think Ryan would be a much more sought after player if he were on the market.

Voracek is at the age where Ryan started to do that, they're not the same age.
- JoeRussomanno

I think you're delusional if you think Jake ever pots 40.

Well, he has 4 30+ goal seasons under his belt. Voracek hasn't even come to close to touching that.

Second off, he's yet to receive consistent 1st unit PP time.

Giroux is also > Getzlaf

I'd say he'd be an instant hit here, although that's obviously not a sure thing.
- LordStanley88

Based solely on last year, sure, but Getzlaff is a damned good player....who owns a higher PPG average in his career than Giroux does. Ryan isn't playing with stiffs. He's playing with an outstanding winger in Perry and a cenetr in Getzlaff that has put up near elite numbers when healthy.

I think you're delusional if you think Jake ever pots 40.
- LordStanley88

oh really and you know what he will and won't do why, crystal ball, source what? Just so you know Bobby Ryan hasn't done it either .

Based solely on last year, sure, but Getzlaff is a damned good player....who owns a higher PPG average in his career than Giroux does. Ryan isn't playing with stiffs. He's playing with an outstanding winger in Perry and a cenetr in Getzlaff that has put up near elite numbers when healthy.
- Jsaquella

Again, I agree. Getzlaf is an awesome player and one of the best pure playmaking centers in the league, no doubt about it.

However, Giroux has better vision and is the better player at this point in time IMO.

I'd do Jake, MAB, Cousins/Laughton, and a pick. No more than that.
- LordStanley88

I wouldn't even do that. Voracek and a 2nd. Ducks say no, oh (frank)ing well. When he's a UFA in 3 years I'm sure he'll be happy to jump to the Flyers without us having to trade for him.

oh really and you know what he will and won't do why, crystal ball, source what? Just so you know Bobby Ryan hasn't done it either .
- JoeRussomanno

Would you like to wager?

Obviously anything is possible, but I'm pretty confident on this one.

I wouldn't even do that. Voracek and a 2nd. Ducks say no, oh (frank)ing well. When he's a UFA in 3 years I'm sure he'll be happy to jump to the Flyers without us having to trade for him.
- Jsaquella

case closed.

keep him away from Camden
- vejim

Also south street or alot oc Philly. Oh boy this could be a problem lol

Would you like to wager?

Obviously anything is possible, but I'm pretty confident on this one.
- LordStanley88

what is the wager, what does it prove and how do i go collect my winnings with an unknown guy hockeybuzz?

I wouldn't even do that. Voracek and a 2nd. Ducks say no, oh (frank)ing well. When he's a UFA in 3 years I'm sure he'll be happy to jump to the Flyers without us having to trade for him.
- Jsaquella

I'd push a little harder than that to acquire Ryan, but that's just my opinion.

Again, I agree. Getzlaf is an awesome player and one of the best pure playmaking centers in the league, no doubt about it.

However, Giroux has better vision and is the better player at this point in time IMO.
- LordStanley88

He is, but the point is, Getzlaff and Perry together are probably equal to, or better than Giroux and Hartnell in terms of linemates.

I like Ryan, but I'm not trading a ton to land him.

what is the wager, what does it prove and how do i go collect my winnings with an unknown guy hockeybuzz?
- JoeRussomanno

I made an educated guess/projection that you somehow took as a fact.

You figure it out.

He is, but the point is, Getzlaff and Perry together are probably equal to, or better than Giroux and Hartnell in terms of linemates.

I like Ryan, but I'm not trading a ton to land him.
- Jsaquella

I don't think what I proposed is a ton.

However, by the same token I think Read AND Jake is too much. No deal there.

I made an educated guess/projection that you somehow took as a fact.

You figure it out.
- LordStanley88

yea so when push to comes to shove we get the classic 10th grade cop-out have a nice day. Gotta get going anyway.

oh really and you know what he will and won't do why, crystal ball, source what? Just so you know Bobby Ryan hasn't done it either .
- JoeRussomanno

my crystal ball says no trades in the flyers near future

I don't think what I proposed is a ton.

However, by the same token I think Read AND Jake is too much. No deal there.
- LordStanley88

I wouldn't include Laughton on top of Voracek & MAB. I'd be fine with those two alone.

My first preference is to sign Doan as a FA, if at all possible. My second preference is to stand pat and see what the kids can do or if the prices drop.

I made an educated guess/projection that you somehow took as a fact.

You figure it out.
- LordStanley88

....and you also made an educated guess/projection that you somehow know is a fact.

I don't see where you're going, here.

my crystal ball says no trades in the flyers near future
- vejim

I like your crystal ball