you crack me up... a player is either Crosby or sux. No Grabner is not a top 20 player in the league.. but he is a VERY good top 6 player on any team in the NHL. I am sorry you will never agree with that untill he is holding a cup over his head.
- niteislander

Is he a top 20 player?
also Grabner will never hold the cup, he doesnt have IT
he's one dimensional on a team that needs more parts,
If this team had more proven talent, then yes, Grabner stays

also not talking bout Crosby or Giroux,
Grabner is not even top 30-40, maybe pushing top 50

Lets not over-hype him, THATS WHAT!!!!!
- Ur Not Me

wow, youre sticking to your original comment....

this site makes me want to punch myself in the throat...

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You mean teams like Florida who traded Luongo for nothing and made zero playoffs for a decade? Vancouver who took Jeff Tambellini instead to replace Grabner from the Islanders who to this day have won what again and signed a goalie to a massive contract they want out?
- NYI

Umm well Florida needed scoring at the time, they released him cause of his work ethic. Them Trading Luongo has nothing to do wtih Grabner and it is funny how now Vancouver is trying to trade him cause he is a choke artist. So maybe Florida was on to something there.

Vancouver signing JEff Tambellini has nothing to do with this either. Vancouver had scoring he was just a fill in player that is all

this site makes me want to punch myself in the throat...
- NYI78

Do it I want to see.

Yes, hopefully they will be studs, but to not trade them for proven NHL talent is wrong. Also another reason is that im not that CONFIDENT the the organization will develop these kids properly
- Ur Not Me

I'm sorry but the Milbury plan of trading kids for proven NHL talent is over unless it's a star player who can help this franchise who's locked into a long term contract already.

No law you have to be confident about the kids being developed properly. One AHL player resigned today who was in Bridgeport last year who said they have four or five coaches working with you one-on-one every day, before and after practice. They work on your skating, puck skills and that stuff all the time.

Sounds like proper development to me.

Not for nothing if he is a proven NHL player then teams like Vancouver and or Florida who were desperate for scoring at the time would have never released him.
- kasperrko

why not? crazier things have happened....like handing out a 15 year contract to a goalie; a 12 year deal to a guy who is one concussion away from eating out of a straw; 2 separate 12 year deals for 2 guys that make a team 5 quality players away from being legit....its possible canucks and panthers missed out on grabner....

cant the same be said about parenteau and moulson?

Is he a top 20 player?
also Grabner will never hold the cup, he doesnt have IT
he's one dimensional on a team that needs more parts,
If this team had more proven talent, then yes, Grabner stays

also not talking bout Crosby or Giroux,
Grabner is not even top 30-40, maybe pushing top 50
- Ur Not Me

Only the Islander metality has him a top 20 player that is how bad the rest of the team is. We dont know good players mediocre we have down pat but good players that is a different story

Is he a top 20 player?
also Grabner will never hold the cup, he doesnt have IT
he's one dimensional on a team that needs more parts,
If this team had more proven talent, then yes, Grabner stays

also not talking bout Crosby or Giroux,
Grabner is not even top 30-40, maybe pushing top 50
- Ur Not Me

Huh? He doesn't have "IT"? Like....he's not MSE certified? If you're able to dismiss players based on being able to identify what "IT' is, you have a great GM future ahead of you. As for 'one dimensional". He scores goals, creates opportunites with some of the fastest skates in the NHL and is a very good penalty killer. He is absolutely a necessary piece to a winning team. No he's not a top 20 player, but he was a hell of a good find and an important part of this team that I'm glad we have

why not? crazier things have happened....like handing out a 15 year contract to a goalie; a 12 year deal to a guy who is one concussion away from eating out of a straw; 2 separate 12 year deals for 2 guys that make a team 5 quality players away from being legit....its possible canucks and panthers missed out on grabner....

cant the same be said about parenteau and moulson?
- LetsGoIsles

Wow you softened up on him huh?

Do it I want to see.
- kasperrko

hahahaha

Hey bottom line is I never said I disliked Grabner he just concerns me that is all. He was way over hyped after his first season, lets see if he gets that scoring touch back

never mentioned 5 pieces

but the Isles roster is not looking that good going forward.
Same team with minor additions/ and major subtractions,
so next yr instead of the 4th pick in the draft, maybe the 8 or 9th pick
- Ur Not Me

defense is significantly better than last year....night and day
an argument could be made that forwards took a step back, but considering these guys are mostly under 25 they are ALL pretty much still developing and on the front 9 of their careers IE very conceivable that someone can step up and pick up the slack

NYI returns. Follows his script and Spewed his rhetoric. Attacks and drags this blog down (tough to do) with name calling, nonsense, meaningless posts and innuendo's. He Picks up a couple of Delusional Lost Disciples along the way (who also take pleasure in belittlement ) and now this blog has again descended to new depths.

Enjoy fellas.



I have better things to do then listen to endless debates that obviously have no conclusion & make no sense because the topic changes with each exhausting breath.

Be Proud of your accomplishment.


- SCLI

hockeybuzz on tape???

hockeybuzz on tape???
- LetsGoIsles

Dont give EK any ideas

Wow you softened up on him huh?
- kasperrko

the guy put up points, cant deny the truth....i just didnt want him on the team for what he was expecting and what we could have gotten for him if he were traded

which was one of the options i presented....listen, bobby ryan is a big name and a trade to LI would be a BIG TRADE-- if he doesnt endorse LI and leaves after his contract is up, it would speak volumes...bad PR for the isles....(to answer your question, yes i do think a player would do it...exclude heatley from the discussion is throwing away facts, so ill point in his direction)

AGAIN, its a chance id take for the right price.
- LetsGoIsles

Again, you seem like a reasonable person here. Tell me why any player among the hundreds that change teams many times speaks volumes about any franchise is some kind of negative endorsement and is bad pr?

Smyth got his front-loaded check from Colorado, called up Comrie and told him to sign here.

Parise leaving the Devils is not a negative endorsement, Staal leaving Pittsburgh is not a negative endorsement.

Any player in this league traded here would report and play. Seems almost all the players they sign here when they finally leave usually praise the club.

Peca, Jonsson, Osgood, Yashin all loved played here. Hunter loved played here, Blake went to Toronto and said how much he missed being here.

If it makes sense to trade for Ryan you get three years, then he makes up his mind like every other UFA who moves on.

the guy put up points, cant deny the truth....i just didnt want him on the team for what he was expecting and what we could have gotten for him if he were traded
- LetsGoIsles

I agree stil lticked we did not trade and got somethign for him. I still think Colorado over paid for him and it will be interesting to see what type of season he has

I'm sorry but the Milbury plan of trading kids for proven NHL talent is over unless it's a star player who can help this franchise who's locked into a long term contract already.

No law you have to be confident about the kids being developed properly. One AHL player resigned today who was in Bridgeport last year who said they have four or five coaches working with you one-on-one every day, before and after practice. They work on your skating, puck skills and that stuff all the time.

Sounds like proper development to me.
- NYI

Umm last i checked this is not the Milbury show anymore, so u can stop referring to the past, and welcome to the present...
The Snow/Wang show are not like that, so your debate on that does not hold merrit bc Snow has no track record of making trades like Milbury did, NEXT,
And I do believe if Snow trades some kids, it will be for a proven NHL talent, that has been my arguement this whole time, so welcome back if u didnt get that memo

Proper developing, ok u can be satisfied with how the Isles development of kids are going, but just seams like it takes forever for our prospects, maybe bc we dont have any creditable coaches who can help teach the kids,
maybe you are happy how last year development of Nino went, 1 of our top prospects, well I wasnt!!!!

Umm last i checked this is not the Milbury show anymore, so u can stop referring to the past, and welcome to the present...
The Snow/Wang show are not like that, so your debate on that does not hold merrit bc Snow has no track record of making trades like Milbury did, NEXT,
And I do believe if Snow trades some kids, it will be for a proven NHL talent, that has been my arguement this whole time, so welcome back if u didnt get that memo

Proper developing, ok u can be satisfied with how the Isles development of kids are going, but just seams like it takes forever for our prospects, maybe bc we dont have any creditable coaches who can help teach the kids,
maybe you are happy how last year development of Nino went, 1 of our top prospects, well I wasnt!!!!
- Ur Not Me

Dude you are wasting your time with him. Dont even waste your time

Again, you seem like a reasonable person here. Tell me why any player among the hundreds that change teams many times speaks volumes about any franchise is some kind of negative endorsement and is bad pr?

Smyth got his front-loaded check from Colorado, called up Comrie and told him to sign here.

Parise leaving the Devils is not a negative endorsement, Staal leaving Pittsburgh is not a negative endorsement.

Any player in this league traded here would report and play. Seems almost all the players they sign here when they finally leave usually praise the club.

Peca, Jonsson, Osgood, Yashin all loved played here. Hunter loved played here, Blake went to Toronto and said how much he missed being here.

If it makes sense to trade for Ryan you get three years, then he makes up his mind like every other UFA who moves on.
- NYI

smyth coming to the islanders was an embarrassment - everyone knew he was gone the second he came to the island and it was NOT a positive acquisition from a PR standpoint.

my scenario is if bobby ryan comes to the island dragging his feet, plays out his contract, and leaves for another team ala ryan smyth...that would be bad PR-wise

the players you gave as examples were more than happy originally playing with the devils/pens.

Huh? He doesn't have "IT"? Like....he's not MSE certified? If you're able to dismiss players based on being able to identify what "IT' is, you have a great GM future ahead of you. As for 'one dimensional". He scores goals, creates opportunites with some of the fastest skates in the NHL and is a very good penalty killer. He is absolutely a necessary piece to a winning team. No he's not a top 20 player, but he was a hell of a good find and an important part of this team that I'm glad we have
- keaner17

One part you left out, Grabner did most of this scoring with Nielsen who is not an even strength scorer and Okposo who was obviously hurt for a good part of the last year and a half which means he even had to be better to do it on this team.

smyth coming to the islanders was an embarrassment - everyone knew he was gone the second he came to the island and it was NOT a positive acquisition from a PR standpoint.

my scenario is if bobby ryan comes to the island dragging his feet, plays out his contract, and leaves for another team ala ryan smyth...that would be bad PR-wise

the players you gave as examples were more than happy originally playing with the devils/pens.
- LetsGoIsles

I got one question then... Who do you think would make this team better? Who could fill PA shoes and put up the production?

I look at it this way a lot of guys dont want to come here but when they are here all we hear is how they dont want to leave and how they love it here. Look at Nabby for instance, beginning of last year if you would say he was goign to resign here people would say you were crazy but look at him now

I got one question then... Who do you think would make this team better? Who could fill PA shoes and put up the production?

I look at it this way a lot of guys dont want to come here but when they are here all we hear is how they dont want to leave and how they love it here. Look at Nabby for instance, beginning of last year if you would say he was goign to resign here people would say you were crazy but look at him now
- kasperrko

i think consistency from KO and Bailey and a decent year from boyes will help

the three need to be in the 50's for point toals...we never heard of moulson or PA until they played with JT..Boyes has a rocket shot i assume JT will help him return to form

I got one question then... Who do you think would make this team better? Who could fill PA shoes and put up the production?

I look at it this way a lot of guys dont want to come here but when they are here all we hear is how they dont want to leave and how they love it here. Look at Nabby for instance, beginning of last year if you would say he was goign to resign here people would say you were crazy but look at him now
- kasperrko

i didnt think i had to repeat it for the 3rd time but AGAIN, for the right price, id be do the deal....

im just saying....i sure as poop hopes he likes it here, otherwise its another PR nightmare and certainly not going to help give the isles credibility when it comes to signing FA in future years standpoint (which was the original comment i responded to)