Not sure why the hate for Martin...he wasn't all that bad last year. He didn't live up to the 5mil his contract is, but it's not like he totally stunk it up. He had an off year, his first in a new system...understandable. Teams that play a defensive system like NJ/NASH or who need a breakout passer like TB/EDM/etc are definitely interested...

Why no trade already? Well, because he has value to the pens too...it's a risk to deal him without a replacement. Not sure if Niskanen is enough, as then we have no decent guys at 5/6 - just rookies. They will need to land Suter/Yandle/etc to play with Letang first. Then Orpik can move to 3/4 and then Niskanen+Orpik is OK, 5/6 is up for grabs now, especially if the pens would like to get into a trade for Ryan (if no Parise)...it would cost Despres + Morrow + Kennedy +++, but Ryan+Crosby would be INSANE.

That's more speculation in any event...my main point was wrt to Martin not totally sucking as many people seem to think...how many of you watched most of the pens games??
- mventres

id love ryan, but if they need both despres and morrow they can piss off

In the meantime, how is this for stupid...Howson turned down ALL the NYI picks for #2 (Elliott Friendman): That's picks 4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185 for #2...not sure what's worse, the offer or the rejection

Heart says Parise

Head says Suter

Drunken fan part says move Martin and get both
- ryman1566

I don't understand the infatuation when it comes to Suter. I take Parise over Suter on this team 10 times out of 10 given the choice. We are organizationally deep at D, when a winger like this comes along, and you can afford him, you do everything in your power to get him. If there's enough money left over to still get Suter great but Parise will be the priority.

Might not be a unanmous, 'sexy' pick, but PA Parenteau is out there as well for the cheaper.

Unrelated, if the Pens miss on there targets, how does the masses feel about Alexander Semin....
- ryman1566

i know everyone hates him, but if he wanted to play hard him and malkin would be insane together. however, i feel that the amount of money he would require would not be worth the risk should he decide to just skate in circles.

Might not be a unanmous, 'sexy' pick, but PA Parenteau is out there as well for the cheaper.

Unrelated, if the Pens miss on there targets, how does the masses feel about Alexander Semin....
- ryman1566

Go sit in the corner.

I don't understand the infatuation when it comes to Suter. I take Parise over Suter on this team 10 times out of 10 given the choice. We are organizationally deep at D, when a winger like this comes along, and you can afford him, you do everything in your power to get him. If there's enough money left over to still get Suter great but Parise will be the priority.
- canadianpenfan

i understand the logic behind a team that led the league in scoring and got roasted on d wanting to invest in the big name defender and not the sexy forward, but i just have to go against that. id take suter at 6, but i think it will take more and that is too much for the way this team is set up. parise is perfect. all the talent and the attitude to match just what we need. i hate that your optimism is infectious

i understand the logic behind a team that led the league in scoring and got roasted on d wanting to invest in the big name defender and not the sexy forward, but i just have to go against that. id take suter at 6, but i think it will take more and that is too much for the way this team is set up. parise is perfect. all the talent and the attitude to match just what we need. i hate that your optimism is infectious
- stayinthefnnet

Has anyone seen Suter play? He's going to generate more goals and not do alot to prevent them. If we were talking about Weber I would feel differently.

i understand the logic behind a team that led the league in scoring and got roasted on d wanting to invest in the big name defender and not the sexy forward, but i just have to go against that. id take suter at 6, but i think it will take more and that is too much for the way this team is set up. parise is perfect. all the talent and the attitude to match just what we need. i hate that your optimism is infectious
- stayinthefnnet

This team's need is D, effective, Physical, crease clearing D. Scoring has gotten us to the handshake line for the past couple of season, and I am NOT comfortable with the D group we have now, and also am not willing to risk this teams chances on unproven young players right now. Not saying Suter will/would change that at all

I will yell like crazy if we get Parise, don't get me wrong. But if we don't upgrade in front of MAF's crease, we will be shaking hands early again, after another 8-5 type playoff game.

This team's need is D, effective, Physical, crease clearing D. Scoring has gotten us to the handshake line for the past couple of season, and I am NOT comfortable with the D group we have now, and also am not willing to risk this teams chances on unproven young players right now.

I will yell like crazy if we get Parise, don't get me wrong. But if we don't upgrade in front of MAF's crease, we will be shaking hands early again, after another 8-5 type playoff game.
- ryman1566

Agreed, but that's not Suter.

Has anyone seen Suter play? He's going to generate more goals and not do alot to prevent them. If we were talking about Weber I would feel differently.
- canadianpenfan

obviously weber is a cut above, but suter is not a chump. he isnt simply a mikegreen type. definitely being the biggest name out there helps inflate his value and perception. but he is a quality player. he definitely makes any defense bigger, but whether it will be worth the dollars and ramifications is the question.

Agreed, but that's not Suter.
- canadianpenfan

Sirich, or Allen??

Agreed, but that's not Suter.
- canadianpenfan

Any thoughts on Dmen that are out there that can help? A scuderi-type guy somewhere?

i understand the logic behind a team that led the league in scoring and got roasted on d wanting to invest in the big name defender and not the sexy forward, but i just have to go against that. id take suter at 6, but i think it will take more and that is too much for the way this team is set up. parise is perfect. all the talent and the attitude to match just what we need. i hate that your optimism is infectious
- stayinthefnnet

LOL...who plays D then? We need one more guy who can play big minutes. Orpik is getting old and banged up, Niskanen is getting better, but we can't pair him with Letang. Martin can log minutes, but needs a solid D-guy to back him up...if we even keep him. Of all the young guys we have NONE is ready for top 4 minutes, and we're at least 2-3 years away from many of them even contending for a roster spot. At that time Orpik will be gone or playing 5/6 at a much reduced rate...it's a matter of keeping the back end consistently stocked over long time periods. To do so, we need a top 2 guy now...we're set for 4-5 years in the future, that's not the worry...

Any thoughts on Dmen that are out there that can help? A scuderi-type guy somewhere?
- schoobs2731

i would have loved to get grossman for what philly did, or signed jackman for what he re upped for in st louis

Has anyone seen Suter play? He's going to generate more goals and not do alot to prevent them. If we were talking about Weber I would feel differently.
- canadianpenfan

Are we talking about the same Suter???

LOL...who plays D then? We need one more guy who can play big minutes. Orpik is getting old and banged up, Niskanen is getting better, but we can't pair him with Letang. Martin can log minutes, but needs a solid D-guy to back him up...if we even keep him. Of all the young guys we have NONE is ready for top 4 minutes, and we're at least 2-3 years away from many of them even contending for a roster spot. At that time Orpik will be gone or playing 5/6 at a much reduced rate...it's a matter of keeping the back end consistently stocked over long time periods. To do so, we need a top 2 guy now...we're set for 4-5 years in the future, that's not the worry...
- mventres

i could be wrong, but i think despres takes a BIG step this year

i could be wrong, but i think despres takes a BIG step this year
- stayinthefnnet

He'll be 5/6 if he makes the team, the odd PP/PK time. PITT takes their time with D-men...it'll be at least 4 years before they move him to a top pairing role...if he even reaches that level. Too much of a risk to take for a team that is so close...

Any thoughts on Dmen that are out there that can help? A scuderi-type guy somewhere?
- schoobs2731

Yes, Scuderi Matt Barry seems to think he's expendable.

Klesla
Jurcina
Allen

There are alot of options that wouldn't cost too much in a trade.

We don't need talent on the back end as much as we need defensive stability. The other thing is who's to say that Despres or Strait wouldn't provide that in a full time role?

I would rather hang onto the 6-7 mill Suter would cost and use that cap space to fit someone (s) in at the deadline if it's a problem.

Might not be a unanmous, 'sexy' pick, but PA Parenteau is out there as well for the cheaper.

Unrelated, if the Pens miss on there targets, how does the masses feel about Alexander Semin....

Edit: We could always trade a couple of our 500 D prospects for a solid winger ala Go-Go for Neal or Whitney for Kunitz
- ryman1566

I think someone is going to overpay for PA Parenteau. He's a nice player, but I see a team who misses on Parise, Nash or Ryan panicking and giving too much money to Parenteau.

Heart says Parise

Head says Suter

Drunken fan part says move Martin and get both
- ryman1566

That guy always has good ideas

Yes, Scuderi Matt Barry seems to think he's expendable.

Klesla
Jurcina
Allen

There are alot of options that wouldn't cost too much in a trade.

We don't need talent on the back end as much as we need defensive stability. The other thing is who's to say that Despres or Strait wouldn't provide that in a full time role?

I would rather hang onto the 6-7 mill Suter would cost and use that cap space to fit someone (s) in at the deadline if it's a problem.
- canadianpenfan

If they land Suter, they trade Martin...so the net is max 2mil difference. Still gives them about 12mil under the cap...not so bad if you look at it that way

I don't mind Suter if he'd come short term (2-3 years), but that is never going to happen with the offers he'd get out there.

He would be a good short term addition, but he would probably come at the expense of eventually losing a Letang or Morrow. And what is the point of drafting all of these future stud defensemen if your #1 d-man comes from the outside?

Who knows how they will pan out, but between Letang, Despres, Morrow, Harrington, Maatta, Pouliout and Dumoulin you'd think we'd be able to field a solid d-corpse for the years to come.

If they land Suter, they trade Martin...so the net is max 2mil difference. Still gives them about 12mil under the cap...not so bad if you look at it that way
- mventres

Do you think they'll keep Letang at 7+ if they sign Suter?

I don't, and I would rather have Letang.

Might not be a unanmous, 'sexy' pick, but PA Parenteau is out there as well for the cheaper.

Unrelated, if the Pens miss on there targets, how does the masses feel about Alexander Semin....

Edit: We could always trade a couple of our 500 D prospects for a solid winger ala Go-Go for Neal or Whitney for Kunitz
- ryman1566

NO

NO
- s0rcerer1984

Are you sure you don't want to take some more time to think about it?