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griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:23 AM ET
Well at least we won't be getting Nash because apparently jvr was the centerpiece of the deal got to wonder homer must of wanted more then Nash in return
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:25 AM ET
Coburn won't replace Visnovsky. I think Meszaros would make more sense.
- Schenn2shine


Again I'll say it.. you trade a dman + to get a forward you create another hole on D. Do you fill that with a FA?
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:26 AM ET
Again I'll say it.. you trade a dman + to get a forward you create another hole on D. Do you fill that with a FA?
- Hextall271

Schultz
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:27 AM ET
Most likely the Flyers were/are looking into Ryan. What if ANA didn't want JVR? The Flyers can't force ANA into a player just because we want to dump them. Maybe ANA is looking for defense or picks.

Another thing I don't get is the most people think in linear terms of one trade at a time, i.e. offense for offense, defense for defense. The Rumor of Coburn for Ryan, if true, may not look good on the surface. But, if Homer pulls the trigger on this deal - he may have another deal/signing for another defenseman to fill the gap. I'd like to see Homer's "war room".

And, Homer has been rumored as interested in multiple signed players and UFA. Some are high priced... I assume that if they pick up a Weber, Praise, etc... Homer will have a plan to fit within the cap. As he said regarding the draft - pick the best player available... I assume he uses that logic for trades and signing UFA - as long as it fits within the cap.

- leon neon



I expect Homer is thinking creatively as you say, but if you make say one trade that leads to another or sign a UFA or two you begin overhauling a roster that was just overhauled last season. I'd like to keep most of the corp together for a bit.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
Again I'll say it.. you trade a dman + to get a forward you create another hole on D. Do you fill that with a FA?
- Hextall271

I never said anything other wise. Obviously you'd have to send more in a deal for Ryan.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:31 AM ET
did we win the cup yet?
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:32 AM ET
Watching sportsnet up here in Kanida...

John Shannon said with the Schenn trade, he is hearing that because visnovsky went to NYI, ANaheim needs a Dman and he expects the Flyers to send a dman plus to Anaheim for Ryan in the next few days. He mentioned Coburn.

I don't put much stock in this personally. We just got a dman for a forward and why the hell would we trade one of the dman to add to the forward corps.

- Hextall271



no, not doing that deal. THey just resigned Coburn at a great cap hit.
That would be stupid. Stop trying to get the sexy deal homer, and make the ones that make sense.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:33 AM ET
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
Bobby Ryan to Philly heating up.. Acquiring Luke Schenn gives flyers depth on D that anaheim needs following viz trade
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:33 AM ET
I never said anything other wise. Obviously you'd have to send more in a deal for Ryan.
- Schenn2shine


That's what I am most worried about. Don't really want to gut the team.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:34 AM ET
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
Bobby Ryan to Philly heating up.. Acquiring Luke Schenn gives flyers depth on D that anaheim needs following viz trade

- moylander


This is literally word for word what was said on Sportsnet by John Shannon.
tjp2033
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Crazy off-season brewing, NJ
Joined: 06.18.2008

Jun 24 @ 11:36 AM ET
This is literally word for word what was said on Sportsnet by John Shannon.
- Hextall271


so at least it comes from a credible source then haha. We can take stock in it and maybe it actually happens.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:36 AM ET
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
Bobby Ryan to Philly heating up.. Acquiring Luke Schenn gives flyers depth on D that anaheim needs following viz trade

- moylander


So who are they going to send out in that deal? I wouldnt offer more than Mez and Voracek. Couturier and Schenn are untouchable.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:37 AM ET
did we win the cup yet?
- hammarby31

It's still the 1st period
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
did we win the cup yet?
- hammarby31


Yes, I just filled up my car with gas at 57 cents a gallon, and mailed a few letters with 10 cent stamps on them.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
This is literally word for word what was said on Sportsnet by John Shannon.
- Hextall271

yea, Shannon should give ek the props he deserves
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
So who are they going to send out in that deal? I wouldnt offer more than Mez and Voracek. Couturier and Schenn are untouchable.
- stveshdy



Agree
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:41 AM ET
Not sure if Anaheim would bite but I think this would be a good deal for the Flyers

TO ANA: Meszaros, Voracek, Cousins

TO PHI: Bobby Ryan, Rights to Schultz
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:41 AM ET
So who are they going to send out in that deal? I wouldnt offer more than Mez and Voracek. Couturier and Schenn are untouchable.
- stveshdy



And coburn goes no where either hopefully!

Schenn in. Coburn. Out. Equals a weaker D
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:42 AM ET
Not sure if Anaheim would bite but I think this would be a good deal for the Flyers

TO ANA: Meszaros, Voracek, Cousins

TO PHI: Bobby Ryan, Rights to Schultz

- FreshFlyer


Doesn't Schultz become a FA tomorrow? I think tonight is his deadline.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
And coburn goes no where either hopefully!

Schenn in. Coburn. Out. Equals a weaker D

- puckhead17


I'm not moving Coburn. Mez and Voracek for Ryan. Max offer. Flyers can add another forward in free agency like P.A. Parenteau.
tjp2033
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Crazy off-season brewing, NJ
Joined: 06.18.2008

Jun 24 @ 11:44 AM ET
Not sure if Anaheim would bite but I think this would be a good deal for the Flyers

TO ANA: Meszaros, Voracek, Cousins

TO PHI: Bobby Ryan, Rights to Schultz

- FreshFlyer


Only problem with Schultz is that he can start negotiating with any team starting tomorrow. He can't officially sign until July 1 but we'd only have his rights for a matter of hours to negotiate alone.
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:44 AM ET
And coburn goes no where either hopefully!

Schenn in. Coburn. Out. Equals a weaker D

- puckhead17

Out of all the people on D, I would only move Meszaros because of his back injury. Even then, i'm hesistant. Unless they unload Kimmo because he's a good cap hit but salary is very low, but that's not happening either.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:45 AM ET
Out of all the people on D, I would only move Meszaros because of his back injury. Even then, i'm hesistant. Unless they unload Kimmo because he's a good cap hit but salary is very low, but that's not happening either.
- the deaninator

I agree. Coburn was easily our best D in the playoffs.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:46 AM ET
Only problem with Schultz is that he can start negotiating with any team starting tomorrow. He can't officially sign until July 1 but we'd only have his rights for a matter of hours to negotiate alone.
- tjp2033


I see well Cousins was a throw in to grab Schultz rights, I'm not trading any more roster players than Meszy and Voracek for Ryan.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 11:47 AM ET
did we win the cup yet?
- hammarby31



parade is 2morrow
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