I was thinking meth and Pop-rocks
- keptupl8

What are the kids doing these days ? Bath salts ?

What are the kids doing these days ? Bath salts ?
- Pairo11

Yep, synthetic meth and coke. Most rehab facilities don't know how to deal with it. Crazy stuff. I'll stick to my beers, thankya

It's funny how much heat Darcy takes for being in love with his core players when you see how much value they have in the proposed trades on this blog.

If the objective is a culture change it's realistic to move core players in groups or packaged with picks for mid level players with different charcter (like actually having some).

If we want to trade for players like Ryan or Staal then higher level players may have to be moved. The players we all want are in demand by other teams as well.

I am not seeing any "five teams in on Vanek" or "everyone wants Miller" rumors. That's likely what Darcy was talking about when he said he was making more calls than he was getting.

It's funny how much heat Darcy takes for being in love with his core players when you see how much value they have in the proposed trades on this blog.

If the objective is a culture change it's realistic to move core players in groups or packaged with picks for mid level players with different charcter (like actually having some).

If we want to trade for players like Ryan or Staal then higher level players may have to be moved. The players we all want are in demand by other teams as well.

I am not seeing any "five teams in on Vanek" or "everyone wants Miller" rumors. That's likely what Darcy was talking about when he said he was making more calls than he was getting.
- Terrier13

I think 'Objective' is the key word. There are too many fans on here (as well as Darcy) that put too much value on Sabre players.

Not saying that players like Roy, Staff, etc. don't have value but some of the trade proposals thrown around by the homer fans on this blog is just crazy. These players are what they are and every GM in the league knows what they bring to the table. No one is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Now, that said, the prospects such as Pysyk, McNabb, Armia, etc. are legitimate pieces that COULD be moved for some value players if paired with those top pick(s).

Van is an interesting case I must say because when healthy he can produce; even with the sorry group of forwards he's had to play with for the past several years. He would be an expensive risk for another GM to take on. An incentive pick/prospect would have to be thrown in to add value.

I think 'Objective' is the key word. There are too many fans on here (as well as Darcy) that put too much value on Sabre players.

Not saying that players like Roy, Staff, etc. don't have value but some of the trade proposals thrown around by the homer fans on this blog is just crazy. These players are what they are and every GM in the league knows what they bring to the table. No one is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. Now, that said, the prospects such as Pysyk, McNabb, Armia, etc. are legitimate pieces that COULD be moved for some value players if paired with those top pick(s).

Van is an interesting case I must say because when healthy he can produce; even with the sorry group of forwards he's had to play with for the past several years. He would be an expensive risk for another GM to take on. An incentive pick/prospect would have to be thrown in to add value.
- Pairo11

That's exactly it. The real value that the Sabres have in in the younger players and prospects, plus having the extra first and second round picks.

Thre was so much love for Kassian and his potential last year, but that potential was what Vancouver wanted and a deal that may help both teams got done. The Sabres are well stocked with young D-men with potential. It may take one of them to help land a veteran power forward in a trade.

Miller to Anaheim for Ryan makes a lot of sense as the principal pieces; however goalies are not usually traded straight up 1 for 1, unless it is goalie for goalie. Anaheim needs to make a splash, and create some excitement now especially since LA won the cup.....LA went through the same thing when Anaheim won the cup .....Anaheim needs to re-focus the attention of its fans on its team and they are due a shake-up just like Buffalo is. Myers for Ryan does not happen on its own;

Myers or Vanek,with Miller and Adam for Getzlaf, Ryan and Hiller plus an exchange of 1st round picks.....now we are talking probably one of the biggest trades in NHL history.
Definitely creates a buzz on both sides of the world
- RicoMartin

coffee through nostrils

My "realistic" trade proposals....

Regehr, #44pick --> Chris Stewart
#42pick --> Dubinsky
Roy, Weber, #21pick --> Bogosian
Leino --> low pick

Plus, re-sign Ennis(3.5m, 3yrs) & Kaleta (1.0m, 2yrs)
Also, sign Parise (7.0m cap hit)

PARISE-DUbINSKY-pominville
vanek-hodgson-STEWArT
foligno-ennis-stafford
gerbe-adam-tropp/kaleta

ehrhoff-BOGOSIAN
sekera-myers
mcnabb-leopold
sulzer

That would total up to 67.3mil cap hit dollars,
Leaving us 3.0m under the current projected cap...
Which would allow for plenty of room to add another bigger salary guy at the deadline if needed

Any thoughts?
- jdfitz77

Regher isn't going anywhere

I'd like Dubinsky here; no doubt.
ZB not high on priority list.

Don't see Parise here; too many obstacles.

That's exactly it. The real value that the Sabres have in in the younger players and prospects, plus having the extra first and second round picks.

Thre was so much love for Kassian and his potential last year, but that potential was what Vancouver wanted and a deal that may help both teams got done. The Sabres are well stocked with young D-men with potential. It may take one of them to help land a veteran power forward in a trade.
- Terrier13

I'm thinking it will take more than one of the prospects AND a roster player plus a #1 pick to get that quality guy we're all wanting.

I'm still on the Getzlaf bandwagon but the problem is that they are thin at Center behind him. I'd like Getzlaf or Staal more than any other player being talked about but it would take a kings ransom. I'm betting that Darcy will make a move for one or two 'under the radar' guys that Darcy and Lindy have watched. I could see (and quietly hope for) something like Derek Brassard and Boll for Roy and a 2nd. Something like that.

Not that these two guys are going to turn the team into a perennial contender but them in for Roy out equals a win/win in my book.

That's a start.

I'm thinking it will take more than one of the prospects AND a roster player plus a #1 pick to get that quality guy we're all wanting.

I'm still on the Getzlaf bandwagon but the problem is that they are thin at Center behind him. I'd like Getzlaf or Staal more than any other player being talked about but it would take a kings ransom. I'm betting that Darcy will make a move for one or two 'under the radar' guys that Darcy and Lindy have watched. I could see (and quietly hope for) something like Derek Brassard and Boll for Roy and a 2nd. Something like that.

Not that these two guys are going to turn the team into a perennial contender but them in for Roy out equals a win/win in my book.

That's a start.
- Pairo11

The one area where I am not objective at all is my desire to see the Sabres move Derek Roy asap.

He has skills. When he uses them he is an effective player. But, he doesn't seem to bring it every night. He may go to another team and suddenly get it and become the kind of player he is capable of being.

I am more comfortable with that than extending his time here and never seeing it happen. It has been too long. And, it doesn't matter where he is traded. He'll be a UFA next year and could join a division rival. So what? Please just get him out of here!

Not seeing them making any big moves. Nash, Kane (don't want him) etc...

No need for Sullivan either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQD6VP-csEg Still a classic on him though.

I see there was a Kool-Aid party on here last night.


- Pairo11

Reading some of the stuff was a good light hearted way to start the morning, there's some gold gems in there.

Reading some of the stuff was a good light hearted way to start the morning, there's some gold gems in there.
- Gunner Staal

Well, now that Crosby officially isn't the most valuable player on the Pens how about an even up swap for Derek Roy?

Sounds good to me!

Well, now that Crosby officially isn't the most valuable player on the Pens how about an even up swap for Derek Roy?

Sounds good to me!
- Terrier13

What does rico think? We'll probably have to throw Letang in.

What does rico think? We'll probably have to throw Letang in.
- Gunner Staal

Then we'll send Weber home to make it fair.

If enroth has 51 games under his belt how many games can you max out with as a rookie?

Some proposals for us to consider:
1) Chicago wants to get Suter, but needs the cap space to compete. They would like to move out Montador, or Hjamarlsson or Frolik and even possibly Kane; they have shown interest in Roy in the past and may have interest in Enroth or Miller;
a) To Buff: Kane, Frolik, Beech (big tough center) or McNeil (big soft hands center)
To Chi: Roy, Enroth and Adam
b) Smaller version of deal:
To Buff: Hjamarlsson, Frolik and McNeil
To Chi: Roy and Adam

2) Draft is in Pittsburgh and they would certainly like to move up; the likely target is Carolina or Columbus with Staal used as the main piece, alhough I would not be surprised to see Fleury AND Staal go to Colombus for Nash and Moore and with picks being switched around so that Pittsburgh picks 2nd. If Buffalo is to be involved, PIttsburgh would want Roy and Pysyk for Staal and for us to switch picks with them
- RicoMartin

Rico is back...

Teams that will do something include Minnesota and Colorado.
Would Vanek be a good fit in Minnesota....but what would they give us in return
Statsny would be great to get to Buffalo, but would a package of Roy and prospects be enough for them...maybe since Colorado don`t have a 1st round pick this year, Roy and a defenseman plus the 1st pick might do it.

Don`t be surpised if Buffalo picks Reinhardt if Calgary passes on him...he played with Pysyk and is quite the talent; Edmonton would love to get those two guys but they won`t trade the top pick for Pysyk and the rights to Reinhardt, they would want something more like sekera thrown in as well. Buffalo does not want the top pick, so there does not seem to be a fit with that team.

what will be interesting to watch is how top rated players free fall in the draft and some teams like NJ and Colorado and even Detroit try to trade up...Buffalo is in a good position to parlay all 4 picks in the first 2 rounds into many more picks this year and next;

If no deals are on the table, I would not be surprised to see Roy and Leopold move for picks and even Boyes negotiating rights to go for a 6th or 7th pick
- RicoMartin

And there's more from our pucks prognosticator.

The one area where I am not objective at all is my desire to see the Sabres move Derek Roy asap.

He has skills. When he uses them he is an effective player. But, he doesn't seem to bring it every night. He may go to another team and suddenly get it and become the kind of player he is capable of being.

I am more comfortable with that than extending his time here and never seeing it happen. It has been too long. And, it doesn't matter where he is traded. He'll be a UFA next year and could join a division rival. So what? Please just get him out of here!
- Terrier13

Like I (and many others) have said before; he's the epitome of what's wrong with the team. Carefree attitude, small, soft and no heart/passion. I'll take a guy that puts up half the points but is hard to play against and knows how to win any day over Derek Roy. Granted, that guy has to be a 3rd line Center but that is the type of player that this team lacks. Buffalo needs some bottom 6 guys that play hard every shift that can make a few plays while being a responsible two way player.

Like I've (and many others) have said before; he's the epitome of what's wrong with the team. Carefree attitude, small, soft and no heart/passion. I'll take a guy that puts up half the points but is hard to play against and knows how to win any day over Derek Roy. Granted, that guy has to be a 3rd line Center but that is the type of player that this team lacks. Buffalo needs some bottom 6 guys that play hard every shift that can make a few plays while being a responsible two way player.
- Pairo11

That had a lot to do with the Kings' playoff success. That's part of the culture change that's needed here.

Like I've (and many others) have said before; he's the epitome of what's wrong with the team. Carefree attitude, small, soft and no heart/passion. I'll take a guy that puts up half the points but is hard to play against and knows how to win any day over Derek Roy. Granted, that guy has to be a 3rd line Center but that is the type of player that this team lacks. Buffalo needs some bottom 6 guys that play hard every shift that can make a few plays while being a responsible two way player.
- Pairo11

Your bottom 6 only does you good if your top 6 is competent. You can have the best corps of bottom six players in the league, but if your top 6 is incompetent, you'll stilll end up in 15th or 16th place in your conference. Replacing Derek Roy is a great idea. Replacing Derek Roy with another bottom 6 guy isn't.

what did I miss?

That had a lot to do with the Kings' playoff success. That's part of the culture change that's needed here.
- Terrier13

Only because the top 6 was very, very good as well. Make no mistake, talent still won the cup for them, especially at the goaltender position.

Your bottom 6 only does you good if your top 6 is competent. You can have the best corps of bottom six players in the league, but if your top 6 is incompetent, you'll stilll end up in 15th or 16th place in your conference. Replacing Derek Roy is a great idea. Replacing Derek Roy with another bottom 6 guy isn't.
- buffalofan19

Like I said in a previous post; getting him out and bringing in value is a start. Those moves alone do not make them a perennial contender.

And I'm not ready to ride into battle yet with Hodg and Ennis as our top Centers.

what did I miss?
- homiedclown

- The_Inkwell