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mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
I agree with you but you far exceeded your emoticon cap
- FlyersFirst

isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 20 @ 12:07 PM ET
Myers

for

JVR+Schenn

- HotSauceBlueChs

need more coming back
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 20 @ 12:11 PM ET
need more coming back
- isaiah520


Yea... Try:

Myers and Miller

for

JVR, Schenn, and Bryz.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
The next 72 hours is gonna be a doozie
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
I don't think Anaheim would want anything to do with jvr. He has a worse contract. (smaller cap hit but larger term which is a problem for small market clubs). A worse player playing the same roll? Not sure why interest would be there
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
Yea... Try:

Myers and Miller

for

JVR, Schenn, and Bryz.

- RooNosHockey

Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 20 @ 12:12 PM ET
why trade for Ryan now? I have a feeling hell sign here longterm in a few years for nothing,
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 20 @ 12:13 PM ET
Anaheim needs defensive help right? What about Voracek and Meszaros, maybe a prospect for Ryan, then you can still trade JVR, and either Read or Simmonds and the 2 firsts for Weber. I know... not likely, but who knows what Homer can do. To replace Meszaros you resign Carle to 5 mil a year, and lets say you sign Weber for a 7 mil cap hit. Can someone run these numbers to see if it would work?

Ryan-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Schenn-Read/Simmonds
Talbot-Couturier-Wellwood
Sestito-UFA center-Rinaldo

Timonen-Weber
Carle-Coburn
Grossmann-Gusteffson/Lilja

- RooNosHockey


Anahiem does not want to take ant salary back. They are gearing up to resign Getzlaf and Perry. They want picks and/or prospects or young players on entry level deals.

JVR is the exact opposite to what they are looking to pick up. His salary is within $1m. of Ryan's contract.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 20 @ 12:13 PM ET
Anaheim needs defensive help right? What about Voracek and Meszaros, maybe a prospect for Ryan, then you can still trade JVR, and either Read or Simmonds and the 2 firsts for Weber. I know... not likely, but who knows what Homer can do. To replace Meszaros you resign Carle to 5 mil a year, and lets say you sign Weber for a 7 mil cap hit. Can someone run these numbers to see if it would work?

Ryan-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Schenn-Read/Simmonds
Talbot-Couturier-Wellwood
Sestito-UFA center-Rinaldo

Timonen-Weber
Carle-Coburn
Grossmann-Gusteffson/Lilja

- RooNosHockey


Are you suggesting they trade Voracek, mezzy, and a prospect for bobby Ryan?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 20 @ 12:14 PM ET
I know everyone is wondering why the Flyers would be aggressively pursuing Nash or be willing to even think about trading a boat load of youth and talent for Bobby Ryan when team needs dictate a big time franchise defenseman. I think the answer may be more simple than it appears.

Frankly, the fact that the Flyers are looking for a big time forward may tell me that Shea Weber is unavailable at this time and they aren't interested in bring Jagr back with his comments and play at the end of year. The Flyers may feel that because they can't get Weber they'd prefer to add a more "star power" forward that could more than easily slide in Jagr's position with perhaps more production and less injury concerns. Then re-sign Carle and role with hopefully a very talented and HEALTHIER set of defensemen and hopefully better goaltender play and then see if Weber has become available at the deadline or FA next year. Just a possible scenario.

Aside from the cap hit (which I think could be explained away), I wouldn't be devastated if the Flyers obtained Nash as there are no questions of potential and physicality when it comes to him (those that speculate that Nash doesn't hit clearly hasn't watch much of the Jackets) and frankly I'm willing to move Bob in favor of a more experienced back up tender.

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 20 @ 12:14 PM ET
Anaheim needs defensive help right? What about Voracek and Meszaros, maybe a prospect for Ryan, then you can still trade JVR, and either Read or Simmonds and the 2 firsts for Weber. I know... not likely, but who knows what Homer can do. To replace Meszaros you resign Carle to 5 mil a year, and lets say you sign Weber for a 7 mil cap hit. Can someone run these numbers to see if it would work?

Ryan-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Schenn-Read/Simmonds
Talbot-Couturier-Wellwood
Sestito-UFA center-Rinaldo

Timonen-Weber
Carle-Coburn
Grossmann-Gusteffson/Lilja

- RooNosHockey


I got an even better prop o sitchin

Trade JvR, Bob and Voracek for E.Kane and Tobias Enstrom.

Trade E.Kane, Schenn, Meszy, 1st for Weber.

Trade 4 1sts for Nash
Sign Parise


Nash-G-Parise
Reader-Briere-Hartnell
Simmonds-Coots-Wellwood
Harry Z-Talbot-Rinaldo

Weber-Timonen
Enstrom-Carle
Coburn-Grossmann

Bryz/?


OH YEAH!!!!!!!!! DO IT NOW HOLMER YOU (frank)ING GM

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 20 @ 12:15 PM ET
Yea... Try:

Myers and Miller

for

JVR, Schenn, and Bryz.

- RooNosHockey

Id tell you to shove that offer up your can.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 12:16 PM ET
Good luck with that.
- Pecafan Fan



I agree, it's probably not likely.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 12:17 PM ET
Anaheim would definitely want a better package. And I'm not certain why they'd want to move laterally for a less established player.
- 77rams



I agree.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 20 @ 12:17 PM ET
Id tell you to shove that offer up your can.
- jak521


Is that the same thing you said to that Kenny Chesney fan?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 12:18 PM ET
I know everyone is wondering why the Flyers would be aggressively pursuing Nash or be willing to even think about trading a boat load of youth and talent for Bobby Ryan when team needs dictate a big time franchise defenseman. I think the answer may be more simple than it appears.

Frankly, the fact that the Flyers are looking for a big time forward may tell me that Shea Weber is unavailable at this time and they aren't interested in bring Jagr back with his comments and play at the end of year. The Flyers may feel that because they can't get Weber they'd prefer to add a more "star power" forward that could more than easily slide in Jagr's position with perhaps more production and less injury concerns. Then re-sign Carle and role with hopefully a very talented and HEALTHIER set of defensemen and hopefully better goaltender play and then see if Weber has become available at the deadline or FA next year. Just a possible scenario.

Aside from the cap hit (which I think could be explained away), I wouldn't be devastated if the Flyers obtained Nash as there are no questions of potential and physicality when it comes to him (those that speculate that Nash doesn't hit clearly hasn't watch much of the Jackets) and frankly I'm willing to move Bob in favor of a more experienced back up tender.

- Flyers1218

So the Flyers need to upgrade their blueline and if they can't they'll just upgrade a position which is already talented and deep? This is like adding another kitchen to your house when you need another bathroom.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 20 @ 12:19 PM ET
Id tell you to shove that offer up your can.
- jak521

Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 20 @ 12:19 PM ET
why trade for Ryan now? I have a feeling hell sign here longterm in a few years for nothing,
- Philly1980

How old does that make him? 28? Not a bad idea to wait.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 20 @ 12:19 PM ET

- feelingkettle

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 20 @ 12:20 PM ET

- feelingkettle

That is one of the creepiest pictures I have ever seen..
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 20 @ 12:21 PM ET
Is that the same thing you said to that Kenny Chesney fan?
- funmaster18



Peace makers talk about it, they dont fight about it..
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 12:21 PM ET
That is one of the creepiest pictures I have ever seen..
- jak521

I've had a variety of dogs through my life, never once thought to put makeup on them, yes creepy indeed
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 20 @ 12:22 PM ET
I agree.
- MJL


Still believe the Flyers should find a #1 dman instead of pursuing a top 6 forward.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 12:22 PM ET
Still believe the Flyers should find a #1 dman instead of pursuing a top 6 forward.
- Pecafan Fan

Thank you, your name is taken off the troll list and added to valued guest for the day

Edit: In addition I think if the right deal can't be struck for said #1 dman the Flyers should wait for the deadline. Players become available every season and by then who knows what could be happening with the weber situation.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 20 @ 12:23 PM ET
why trade for Ryan now? I have a feeling hell sign here longterm in a few years for nothing,
- Philly1980


NHL goal scorers and creative offensive players hit their peak performance in the 23 to 27 year old age range, sometimes younger. More and more teams are giving the big bucks to the young guns like Giroux, Stamkos, Myers, Doughty and Karlsson in anticipation of peak performance. Why would a team want to pay Ryan more money after he hits age 29 and is past peak performance? Couturier and others will likely be looking for elite money right when Ryan becomes available as a UFA. This is the new math that will become even more sharply practiced under the next CBA.
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