def fair to assume that lennon's not a popular guy around these parts
- FlyerMike18

i didn't say it was either but if you must know I find paul to be more likeable than Lennon
- JoeRussomanno

I love them all equally

I would like to take this time to draw attention to the most underrated Beatle: Mr. George Harrison

I love them all equally

I would like to take this time to draw attention to the most underrated Beatle: Mr. George Harrison
- Giroux_Is_God

The music that he wrote is about the only stuff I like of the Beatles.

I love them all equally

I would like to take this time to draw attention to the most underrated Beatle: Mr. George Harrison
- Giroux_Is_God

I have no love for KGB agents

lol what consistent 30-goal scorer gets paid only 4.5?
- OrangeBlack27

Close enough.

http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=662

Flyers trade for Nash or Ryan yet?

JVR isn't damaged goods. His injury isn't chronic or permanent. And a GM would have the opportunity to have his Medical records looked at and passing a physical as part of the deal. Read is a good player, make no mistake about it. What young defenseman doesn't struggle in his rookie year. You don't make bad deals because you think a player might not progress from the previous Season. Nor do you give up a young defenseman as a "throw in" because he struggled at times.

Your right we don't agree on Ryan's value. If Holmgren made that deal, I'd immediately call for his head on a platter. That is a drastic overpayment for Ryan.
- MJL

It was originally thought that he would need surgery on his right hip, but further evaluations by doctors indicated that he would be fine without a procedure and he is already progressing. "We're just going to move forward and deal with it," Holmgren said. "I don't have a crystal ball. Obviously, he's got work to do getting over issues, but I think if we had to play next week, he'd be able to play. He's got the summer to get his strength up and get up to speed." Van Riemsdyk skated in just 43 games in 2011-12 because of a broken foot, a concussion, a strained oblique and a strained rib, so he ended up with a lackluster 11 goals and 13 assists. He still has plenty of promise though and could live up to those expectations with a healthier campaign next year.


Strained oblique and rib are no big deal. Even the broken foot heals. The other stuff is cause for concern imo. Plus, all this stuff and the rehab that goes along with it, starts to take it's toll on a body.

And I thought I read a report earlier in the season that stated his hip issue was one of the degenerative types but that he could play through it, but it would depend on his discomfort threshold.

It was originally thought that he would need surgery on his right hip, but further evaluations by doctors indicated that he would be fine without a procedure and he is already progressing. "We're just going to move forward and deal with it," Holmgren said. "I don't have a crystal ball. Obviously, he's got work to do getting over issues, but I think if we had to play next week, he'd be able to play. He's got the summer to get his strength up and get up to speed." Van Riemsdyk skated in just 43 games in 2011-12 because of a broken foot, a concussion, a strained oblique and a strained rib, so he ended up with a lackluster 11 goals and 13 assists. He still has plenty of promise though and could live up to those expectations with a healthier campaign next year.


Strained oblique and rib are no big deal. Even the broken foot heals. The other stuff is cause for concern imo. Plus, all this stuff and the rehab that goes along with it, starts to take it's toll on a body.

And I thought I read a report earlier in the season that stated his hip issue was one of the degenerative types but that he could play through it, but it would depend on his discomfort threshold.
- rockychocbill

How many games before his hip becomes an issue next season?

It was originally thought that he would need surgery on his right hip, but further evaluations by doctors indicated that he would be fine without a procedure and he is already progressing. "We're just going to move forward and deal with it," Holmgren said. "I don't have a crystal ball. Obviously, he's got work to do getting over issues, but I think if we had to play next week, he'd be able to play. He's got the summer to get his strength up and get up to speed." Van Riemsdyk skated in just 43 games in 2011-12 because of a broken foot, a concussion, a strained oblique and a strained rib, so he ended up with a lackluster 11 goals and 13 assists. He still has plenty of promise though and could live up to those expectations with a healthier campaign next year.


Strained oblique and rib are no big deal. Even the broken foot heals. The other stuff is cause for concern imo. Plus, all this stuff and the rehab that goes along with it, starts to take it's toll on a body.

And I thought I read a report earlier in the season that stated his hip issue was one of the degenerative types but that he could play through it, but it would depend on his discomfort threshold.
- rockychocbill

How can an an injury that doesn't need surgery, make JVR damaged goods? Every prognosis is that JVR is going to be ready to start the Season. Holmgren even said that if he had to play now he could. There is nothing to suggest that JVR has a chronic injury or is damaged goods. Obviously we'll know when the Season starts what the deal is. But all information points to JVR being ready to play next year.

Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey
I think @NHLFlyers do a JVR for Edler type deal. If this has legs, it hinges on @VanCanucks ability to sign either Garisson or Schultz.

"JVR for Edler? Not straight up, but its been mentioned. Teams could be just playing with the idea, but I've now heard it twice just today"

Not really legitimate, but I saw that Bill now follows the guy. I think I'd poop myself if we got Edler.

How can an an injury that doesn't need surgery, make JVR damaged goods? Every prognosis is that JVR is going to be ready to start the Season. Holmgren even said that if he had to play now he could. There is nothing to suggest that JVR has a chronic injury or is damaged goods. Obviously we'll know when the Season starts what the deal is. But all information points to JVR being ready to play next year.
- MJL

Here is the article I was looking for. This is from back in December. If he doesn't have surgery now, surely he'll have to undergo it sometime in the near future. Which imo makes him damaged goods no matter what physical he passes today or in camp. Not career ending maybe, but could still affect his overall performance moving forward.

A source said that van Riemsdyk could require offseason surgery to correct his hip injury, which is a common occurrence in hockey players. One recent report suggested that more than 50 percent of all NHL players have a similar hip injury due to overuse. A cam impingement occurs when the ball-shaped femoral head rubs abnormally or does not have full range of motion in the pelvic socket. This can result in damage to the cartilage surrounding the bone.

On the ice, van Riemsdyk has not appeared to be comfortable in his stride. At times, especially over the past three or four games, he appears to be laboring up and down the ice.

http://articles.philly.co...der-injury-brayden-schenn

lol what consistent 30-goal scorer gets paid only 4.5?
- OrangeBlack27

According to my crystal ball, Matt Read on his next contract. Please don't trade him.

Here is the article I was looking for. This is from back in December. If he doesn't have surgery now, surely he'll have to undergo it sometime in the near future. Which imo makes him damaged goods no matter what physical he passes today or in camp. Not career ending maybe, but could still affect his overall performance moving forward.

A source said that van Riemsdyk could require offseason surgery to correct his hip injury, which is a common occurrence in hockey players. One recent report suggested that more than 50 percent of all NHL players have a similar hip injury due to overuse. A cam impingement occurs when the ball-shaped femoral head rubs abnormally or does not have full range of motion in the pelvic socket. This can result in damage to the cartilage surrounding the bone.

On the ice, van Riemsdyk has not appeared to be comfortable in his stride. At times, especially over the past three or four games, he appears to be laboring up and down the ice.

http://articles.philly.co...der-injury-brayden-schenn
- rockychocbill

Where are you getting this information from that JVR will surely have to undergo surgery in the near future if he doesn't get it now? From the Doctors who have examined and are treating JVR?

It seems to me that it says COULD require surgery. It also doesn't name the source.

The Article is also from December 20011. It is now almost the end of June 2012.

Here is the article I was looking for. This is from back in December. If he doesn't have surgery now, surely he'll have to undergo it sometime in the near future. Which imo makes him damaged goods no matter what physical he passes today or in camp. Not career ending maybe, but could still affect his overall performance moving forward.

A source said that van Riemsdyk could require offseason surgery to correct his hip injury, which is a common occurrence in hockey players. One recent report suggested that more than 50 percent of all NHL players have a similar hip injury due to overuse. A cam impingement occurs when the ball-shaped femoral head rubs abnormally or does not have full range of motion in the pelvic socket. This can result in damage to the cartilage surrounding the bone.

On the ice, van Riemsdyk has not appeared to be comfortable in his stride. At times, especially over the past three or four games, he appears to be laboring up and down the ice.

http://articles.philly.co...der-injury-brayden-schenn
- rockychocbill

Damaged good or not (and I still don't think so despite this article), I would not give up BOTH Schenn and JVR for Ryan. That is a huge overpayment imo. My offer would be more like what MJL is suggesting, and if it isn't enough, then we keep JVR and move on. The only way I move a JVR/Schenn/Read package is if Weber is coming the other way. And even then I try my damnedest to keep Schenn out of the deal. I just don't think Ryan is worth that much more than JVR. Yes, I think he's better, but not so much so that I give away the farm to land him.

Kind of like the Carle/Suter thing. Yes, Suter is better than Carle, but not $2M+ better. I'd rather have Carle for less.

I'd rather have JVR, Schenn and Read on the team than lose all three (or two of the three) of those guys and get Ryan. He's just not worth that imo. He's better than JVR, but he's not so much better that he'll offset the loss of all three of those players.

Ducks still have no real reason to trade Ryan. They're looking for an overpayment.

Never overpay for anyone.

Damaged good or not (and I still don't think so despite this article), I would not give up BOTH Schenn and JVR for Ryan. That is a huge overpayment imo. My offer would be more like what MJL is suggesting, and if it isn't enough, then we keep JVR and move on. The only way I move a JVR/Schenn/Read package is if Weber is coming the other way. And even then I try my damnedest to keep Schenn out of the deal. I just don't think Ryan is worth that much more than JVR. Yes, I think he's better, but not so much so that I give away the farm to land him.

Kind of like the Carle/Suter thing. Yes, Suter is better than Carle, but not $2M+ better. I'd rather have Carle for less.

I'd rather have JVR, Schenn and Read on the team than lose all three (or two of the three) of those guys and get Ryan. He's just not worth that imo. He's better than JVR, but he's not so much better that he'll offset the loss of all three of those players.
- BringBack25

I think the original deal was Schenn/Read/Bourdon for Ryan. JVR and Schenn together weren't discussed.

I think the original deal was Schenn/Read/Bourdon for Ryan. JVR and Schenn together weren't discussed.
- eayost

See, I told you it was a bad deal!!!


Sorry, my bad then. Still thing Schenn/Read/Bourdon is too much. Or rather, I don't think it's wise to trade Schenn, who I feel is going to be a top 2-way player, for Ryan, who is one-dimensional.

I really think a fair offer is JVR + one other player. If that isn't enough, I walk away.

Sorry for the mixup on the original discussion. That's what I get for not backreading enough.

Dale the Wombat‏@wombathockey

@NHLFlyers are very much in on Rick Nash. Why, I'm not sure. But they are looking like the favorites right now #Flyers

hmmm, just figure I would post it for everyones viewing pleasure

Dale the Wombat‏@wombathockey

@NHLFlyers are very much in on Rick Nash. Why, I'm not sure. But they are looking like the favorites right now #Flyers

hmmm, just figure I would post it for everyones viewing pleasure
- bigmookalookie

I think the original deal was Schenn/Read/Bourdon for Ryan. JVR and Schenn together weren't discussed.
- eayost

I still don't like that deal either, I think Schenn can be a better player than Ryan.

See, I told you it was a bad deal!!!


Sorry, my bad then. Still thing Schenn/Read/Bourdon is too much. Or rather, I don't think it's wise to trade Schenn, who I feel is going to be a top 2-way player, for Ryan, who is one-dimensional.

I really think a fair offer is JVR + one other player. If that isn't enough, I walk away.

Sorry for the mixup on the original discussion. That's what I get for not backreading enough.
- BringBack25

Definitely. Ryan is not as good as a lot of people thinks he is. And that deal would be a drastic overpayment for the player.

Dale the Wombat‏@wombathockey

@NHLFlyers are very much in on Rick Nash. Why, I'm not sure. But they are looking like the favorites right now #Flyers

hmmm, just figure I would post it for everyones viewing pleasure
- bigmookalookie

god, i hope that's wrong

if it's true and couturier is in the deal i may have to switch allegiances til the end of the snider era (let's go wild!!!)

Dale the Wombat‏@wombathockey

@NHLFlyers are very much in on Rick Nash. Why, I'm not sure. But they are looking like the favorites right now #Flyers

hmmm, just figure I would post it for everyones viewing pleasure
- bigmookalookie

ya know what mookie hold up a hand palm facing out then curl all fingers into your palm except the one in between your index and ring finger okay! just do that for me and it'll be enough for my viewing pleasure

Dale the Wombat‏@wombathockey

@NHLFlyers are very much in on Rick Nash. Why, I'm not sure. But they are looking like the favorites right now #Flyers

hmmm, just figure I would post it for everyones viewing pleasure
- bigmookalookie

I'm done with this team until Homers fired if we get Nash. (frank) that.

- Giroux_Is_God

Oh I know... I know muhhahahahahahaahahaa