since i dont except a human like response from cjtml without some sort of insult, cheap shot, disrespect, offensive, or rude comment, if someone else would actually like to discuss if they believe the rangers 3rd/4th line was effective id be curious to hear why they believed that.
- LetsGoIsles

I usually dont agree with you but the third and fourth line were the only line to generate offense in teh playoffs. That being said though. I blame the first and second line for not doing much. Thsoe lines were only effective for offense and not for what they are usually for and that is defense

the difference with the Kings an Rangers, is that have alot more talent surrounded on the team compared to the Isles, theres no way adding 1 top F an 1 top D-man to this team, an we become cup contenders, Isles need alot more than 2 guys, maybe in 3-4 yrs when some players develop more, then adding 2 pieces might work, but now, the Isles are far away...... start w/a NHL coach 1st.....
- Ur Not Me

I disagree with this... i know this isn't going to happen but just for the sake of argument.

U don't think Adding a Yandle/Suter and a Carter/Parise makes this team a cup contender? At the very least a Playoff team? We already have one of the best first lines in hockey. and now u add Parise/Carter type to the mix. U take out the trash that added nothing and add some of our young prospects.. play a real goalie the WHOLE Season. How many close games did we lost last year? How many on 1 or 2 bad goals? U don't think adding 1 35 to 40 goal guy and 1 TOP notch D-man changes a bunch of those games?

you don't think this Defense is good enough?
Hamonic/Suter
Streit/Amack
Donovan/ (vet)
Dehaan or Reese

You don't think these lines can compete?
Moulson/ JT/ Okposo
Parise/ Strome/ Grabner
Martin/nielsen/PA
Ullstrom/ Reasoner (yuk) or Casey C. / Hillen (or Joensu, Nino, etc.)

He made very clear he's only hear to criticize, and terrified to give his own views beyond Staios should be resigned as a 6/7 defender. I guess he knows we would all have a good laugh if he had to make the first guess because he ran from giving us his own plan faster than Hospidar ran from Gilles or Kate Murray would from a Lighthouse vote.
- NYI

It's hard to not respond. BTW, all you do is criticize every persons post. Even if they agree with you ironically enough

I disagree with this... i know this isn't going to happen but just for the sake of argument.

U don't think Adding a Yandle/Suter and a Carter/Parise makes this team a cup contender? At the very least a Playoff team? We already have one of the best first lines in hockey. and now u add Parise/Carter type to the mix. U take out the trash that added nothing and add some of our young prospects.. play a real goalie the WHOLE Season. How many close games did we lost last year? How many on 1 or 2 bad goals? U don't think adding 1 35 to 40 goal guy and 1 TOP notch D-man changes a bunch of those games?

you don't think this Defense is good enough?
Hamonic/Suter
Streit/Amack
Donovan/ (vet)
Dehaan or Reese

You don't think these lines can compete?
Moulson/ JT/ Okposo
Parise/ Strome/ Grabner
Martin/nielsen/PA
Ullstrom/ Reasoner (yuk) or Casey C. / Hillen (or Joensu, Nino, etc.)
- niteislander

Sorry Nite but those lines will not win anything. I agree we need a coaching staff who knows what they are doing. Someone with fire first. Then sign a few vets who are not totally washed up and have nothing left. Only then will the Islanders make the playoffs but not be a Stanley Cup team

He made very clear he's only hear to criticize, and terrified to give his own views beyond Staios should be resigned as a 6/7 defender. I guess he knows we would all have a good laugh if he had to make the first guess because he ran from giving us his own plan faster than Hospidar ran from Gilles or Kate Murray would from a Lighthouse vote.
- NYI

its just frustrating, people come here to discuss/debate their views on a team. it goes without saying not everyone will agree but he just comes here to insult, point fingers and laugh without having anything productive to say. i dont agree with everything you say but i dont think i have once called you a name. there are a LOT of good posters here, its just frustrating that a few ruin it for everyone else.....

this guy says hes in his 30s but he acts like hes a bully in high school. thats rather comical.

I usually dont agree with you but the third and fourth line were the only line to generate offense in teh playoffs. That being said though. I blame the first and second line for not doing much. Thsoe lines were only effective for offense and not for what they are usually for and that is defense
- kasperrko

i didnt follow that, are you agreeing or disagreeing?

I disagree with this... i know this isn't going to happen but just for the sake of argument. U don't think Adding a Yandle/Suter and a Carter/Parise makes this team a cup contender? At the very least a Playoff team? We already have one of the best first lines in hockey. and now u add Parise/Carter type to the mix. U take out the trash that added nothing and add some of our young prospects.. play a real goalie the WHOLE Season. How many close games did we lost last year? How many on 1 or 2 bad goals? U don't think adding 1 35 to 40 goal guy and 1 TOP notch D-man changes a bunch of those games? you don't think this Defense is good enough? Hamonic/Suter Streit/Amack Donovan/ (vet) Dehaan or Reese You don't think these lines can compete? Moulson/ JT/ Okposo Parise/ Strome/ Grabner Martin/nielsen/PA Ullstrom/ Reasoner (yuk) or Casey C. / Hillen (or Joensu, Nino, etc.)
- niteislander

honestly Nites, I dont thinks so, we might make the playoffs, an thats a might, just bc the islanders lack intangible players, the grit,heart,forechecking, which is needed, an i hate to say this but i think Suter is over-rated, he is not a shut-down defensemen, he is a puck-moving D, Shea Weber made him look good,
so after adding those 2 pieces is a step in the right direction, but doesnt get the job done/completed

since i dont except a human like response from cjtml without some sort of insult, cheap shot, disrespect, offensive, or rude comment, if someone else would actually like to discuss if they believe the rangers 3rd/4th line was effective id be curious to hear why they believed that.
- LetsGoIsles

I would disagree with that. They were a badly flawed offensive team party because of their system that got some secondary scoring but played for the 3-2/2-1 overtime game where the shots were 15-25 against. It was an odd mix of Prust, Boyle, Mitchell, Avery, Fedotenko and the cast changed a lot. We saw this game in St Louis, Ottawa, Washington and a lot of other teams.

Even Pittsburgh went this direction, but they peaked too soon, as soon as the Isles beat them back to back you could see they were in some bad habits and it carried right into the playoffs.

It was kind of the anti-Flyer/Toronto plan that make for entertaining hockey but can lead to them being painfully exposed on defense.

It's the kind of plan that Ottawa, Washington were close to beating the Rangers before a flawed team like the Devils did because some odd point shots got through or the soft goals from Lundqvist surfaced. Bryce Salvador is not offensive star and in these playoffs neither was Parise-----again.

That was the plan from safe is death Tortorella, who came in and started modifying Renney's trap.

I disagree with this... i know this isn't going to happen but just for the sake of argument.

U don't think Adding a Yandle/Suter and a Carter/Parise makes this team a cup contender? At the very least a Playoff team? We already have one of the best first lines in hockey. and now u add Parise/Carter type to the mix. U take out the trash that added nothing and add some of our young prospects.. play a real goalie the WHOLE Season. How many close games did we lost last year? How many on 1 or 2 bad goals? U don't think adding 1 35 to 40 goal guy and 1 TOP notch D-man changes a bunch of those games?

you don't think this Defense is good enough?
Hamonic/Suter
Streit/Amack
Donovan/ (vet)
Dehaan or Reese

You don't think these lines can compete?
Moulson/ JT/ Okposo
Parise/ Strome/ Grabner
Martin/nielsen/PA
Ullstrom/ Reasoner (yuk) or Casey C. / Hillen (or Joensu, Nino, etc.)
- niteislander

in this hypothetical scenario, if the isles got suter and parise, they are in the playoffs. question is what happened to guys like bailey? id assume parise would be top line and either shift moulson/ko to 2nd but semantics. id also have a fighter on the 4th line, be in haley or riley or anyone else but they need more muscle than just matt martin.

Sorry Nite but those lines will not win anything. I agree we need a coaching staff who knows what they are doing. Someone with fire first. Then sign a few vets who are not totally washed up and have nothing left. Only then will the Islanders make the playoffs but not be a Stanley Cup team
- kasperrko

you are completely out of your mind. You are the same guy when they finally got some decent goaltending for a few games last year YOU were the one talking Playoffs... I said.. they have to win 20 of thirty games.. no shot.

The reason this team sucked last year is all the bums we signed that did nothing.. and I mean NOTHING production wise or defense wise.

in this hypothetical scenario, if the isles got suter and parise, they are in the playoffs. question is what happened to guys like bailey? id assume parise would be top line and either shift moulson/ko to 2nd but semantics. id also have a fighter on the 4th line, be in haley or riley or anyone else but they need more muscle than just matt martin.
- LetsGoIsles

I typed Hillen.. instead of Haley... fruedian slip.

It's hard to not respond. BTW, all you do is criticize every persons post. Even if they agree with you ironically enough
- Cptmjl

I bring up other things to add to the conversation that is not criticism unless it's someone like you here purely to criticize and for insults.

Now go play the laughingstock card and insult Asian children, let the adults talk hockey, someone give him a DiPietro voucher for a hot-dog and soda, so the grown ups can talk.

i didnt follow that, are you agreeing or disagreeing?
- LetsGoIsles

Here is the thing in the playoffs they did play well. Through the season they did not play well. If the first line did nto score the Rangers did not win. In the playoffs the roles reversed and the third and fourth lines were scoring while the first and second lines did nto do much. They survived thanks to King Henrik.

So in conclusion if you are talking season then yeah they sucked talking playoffs they were pretty good

Here is the thing in the playoffs they did play well. Through the season they did not play well. If the first line did nto score the Rangers did not win. In the playoffs the roles reversed and the third and fourth lines were scoring while the first and second lines did nto do much. They survived thanks to King Henrik.

So in conclusion if you are talking season then yeah they sucked talking playoffs they were pretty good
- kasperrko

The difference was one guy.. Carter.. he did not join the team till the last 3 weeks of the season.

you are completely out of your mind. You are the same guy when they finally got some decent goaltending for a few games last year YOU were the one talking Playoffs... I said.. they have to win 20 of thirty games.. no shot.

The reason this team sucked last year is all the bums we signed that did nothing.. and I mean NOTHING production wise or defense wise.
- niteislander

Well ok I will say this, once we have a goaltender who we can deem number one to carry this team then yes those lines will make the playoffs but will not win a cup

I would disagree with that. They were a badly flawed offensive team party because of their system that got some secondary scoring but played for the 3-2/2-1 overtime game where the shots were 15-25 against. It was an odd mix of Prust, Boyle, Mitchell, Avery, Fedotenko and the cast changed a lot. We saw this game in St Louis, Ottawa, Washington and a lot of other teams.

Even Pittsburgh went this direction, but they peaked too soon, as soon as the Isles beat them back to back you could see they were in some bad habits and it carried right into the playoffs.

It was kind of the anti-Flyer/Toronto plan that make for entertaining hockey but can lead to them being painfully exposed on defense.

It's the kind of plan that Ottawa, Washington were close to beating the Rangers before a flawed team like the Devils did because some odd point shots got through or the soft goals from Lundqvist surfaced. Bryce Salvador is not offensive star and in these playoffs neither was Parise-----again.

That was the plan from safe is death Tortorella, who came in and started modifying Renney's trap.
- NYI

well id agree the forwards on a whole werent very effective but even more so the secondary scoring....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

its just frustrating, people come here to discuss/debate their views on a team. it goes without saying not everyone will agree but he just comes here to insult, point fingers and laugh without having anything productive to say. i dont agree with everything you say but i dont think i have once called you a name. there are a LOT of good posters here, its just frustrating that a few ruin it for everyone else.....

this guy says hes in his 30s but he acts like hes a bully in high school. thats rather comical.
- LetsGoIsles

Yeah, play that card pal. You never insult or "attack" unless provoked

I bring up other things to add to the conversation that is not criticism unless it's someone like you here purely to criticize and for insults.

Now go play the laughingstock card and insult Asian children, let the adults talk hockey, someone give him a DiPietro voucher for a hot-dog and soda, so the grown ups can talk.
- NYI

Insult Asian children?

I bring up other things to add to the conversation that is not criticism unless it's someone like you here purely to criticize and for insults.

Now go play the laughingstock card and insult Asian children, let the adults talk hockey, someone give him a DiPietro voucher for a hot-dog and soda, so the grown ups can talk.
- NYI

Well there goes my insult for Asian kids THANKS ALOT, but out of all seriousness this team is not being managed well at all. I am sorry friend but they are not. They have been rebuilding for years with the same result. Wang looks for any areas to cut the budget and or corners. The building is a joke Wang is a joke Snow is a joke and Crappy is a joke. If I was a NHL player there is no way I am goign to play for this team. I would take less money to play for a team who is not the laughing stock of the NHL and is respected.

Here is the thing in the playoffs they did play well. Through the season they did not play well. If the first line did nto score the Rangers did not win. In the playoffs the roles reversed and the third and fourth lines were scoring while the first and second lines did nto do much. They survived thanks to King Henrik.

So in conclusion if you are talking season then yeah they sucked talking playoffs they were pretty good
- kasperrko

im talking playoffs (devils series)....i think it goes without saying that without henrik the rangers arent even close to being where they ended. that guy is a MAJOR difference maker

Insult Asian children?
- Cptmjl

Go I am waiting. Give them what they want

Well ok I will say this, once we have a goaltender who we can deem number one to carry this team then yes those lines will make the playoffs but will not win a cup
- kasperrko

If you were the GM or Capt.. u would trade the whole team b/c they are all horrible. Bailey who is 21 is a bust .. and will never pan out. Okposo.. same thing... A mack, Grabner, Reese, etc... all bums.. trade them all..

You sir are Mike Milbury.

im talking playoffs (devils series)....i think it goes without saying that without henrik the rangers arent even close to being where they ended. that guy is a MAJOR difference maker
- LetsGoIsles

The King in my opinion is the only reason the Rangers made the playoffs in the first place, but that is what happens when you have a great goalie. Something the Islanders know nothing about. Look at Rinne, Quick, even Brodeur without those guys those teams are not sniffing playoffs

Yeah, play that card pal. You never insult or "attack" unless provoked
- Cptmjl

ok great. well done. lets start from here. no more insulting, you think we can all handle that?

Go I am waiting. Give them what they want
- kasperrko

I'd like to know when I did that? If by saying the Islanders have a fat one who sits at their draft table and eats potato chips and dipsy doodles then guilty as charged. Playing the race card on a hockey site