you got quite the hard on for schultz huh?

toronto cannot offer shultz what he wants.. which is primarily nhl playing time.
- Dozzer

really, he isn't good enough for the Leafs defense

Morning all...

So what's on the dockett in terms of hockey talk before UG gets here and de-rails the entire convo?

hahahaha however

he's still an NHL player.. hell.. damn near potted 20 goals last year
- Dozzer

That was the prospect chart for him.

Anywhere to get a reliable mock draft? Tsn had Galy going top 3, but Mays ISS ranking doesn't have him in the top 10...Tsn also had Grigorenko dropping down to 20-21 and ISS has him at 4 in May..
- jakrabbit

I don't know. I don't really look into mock drafts to be honest. Besides, I don't think mock drafts would do well for my brain... LOL

who in christ would we ship the 5th off for?

and dont say luongo, that aint happening.. contact is too burdensome for him to be worth a top five pick
- Dozzer

M
2012 #5 + Colborne + Percy = Getzlaff

would i move gardiner to get the number one?

yes.however, if i were edmonton i wouldnt move the pick.. i'd draft nail, play him a year, allow his stock to rise (nhl experience changes the landscape of trading him dramatically) and then pick which guy to move (RNH, Hall, or Nail) for the remaining pieces the club is looking for (your upside defense, goalie, etc)

this would allow edmonton to augment their lineup with more pieces than they would be able to with the pick on its own.

just imo
- Dozzer

I wouldn't.

The unfrotunate part of it is that we don't have a higher calibar prospect right now than Gardiner (and he's a special talent). IMO, getting rid of him for the #1 would only mean digging a hole to fill another hole.

I don't know. I don't really look into mock drafts to be honest. Besides, I don't think mock drafts would do well for my brain... LOL
- PTVinnyMac

just ask UG, he knows

would i move gardiner to get the number one?

yes.

however, if i were edmonton i wouldnt move the pick.. i'd draft nail, play him a year, allow his stock to rise (nhl experience changes the landscape of trading him dramatically) and then pick which guy to move (RNH, Hall, or Nail) for the remaining pieces the club is looking for (your upside defense, goalie, etc)

this would allow edmonton to augment their lineup with more pieces than they would be able to with the pick on its own.

just imo
- Dozzer

Im actually really hesitant lately to make big moves like that anymore...like I mean, Gardiner can be a great player to have, Schenn too....our 5th pick could turn out to be great...its all still a risk moving our bigger assets to get Nail, even though hes supposed to be an elite guy.

I think were too fragile to make anymore big moves that could have some uncertainties and we should draft our of pick, and try to pry Luongo from Vancity for cheap, or address the tending sitch some other (possibly cheap) way.

really, he isn't good enough for the Leafs defense
- bobbyisno1

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time

Scrivens is destind to be a leaf

That was the prospect chart for him.
- AdamFrench

ahhhhhh hahaha

Im actually really hesitant lately to make big moves like that anymore...like I mean, Gardiner can be a great player to have, Schenn too....our 5th pick could turn out to be great...its all still a risk moving our bigger assets to get Nail, even though hes supposed to be an elite guy.

I think were too fragile to make anymore big moves that could have some uncertainties and we should draft our of pick, and try to pry Luongo from Vancity for cheap, or address the tending sitch some other (possibly cheap) way.
- noename09

I agree with all of the above BUT Burke is in a position of desperation because his job is on the line... cue terrible decision making and mistakes that will cost burke his job regardless

Just food for thought.

If ... and this is a BIG IF.... the Leafs trade for Luongo, and manage to trade for a first line centre, let's say Statsny... does that make the Leafs a desirable place to play as a free agent? Would Parise or Suter consider the Leafs?

imagine a top six of

Parise - Statsny - Kessel
Kulemin- Grabo - Lupul
- ILoveLamp

Parise is beyond a pipe dream...he aint going nowheres....

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time
- Dozzer

If they want him bad enough, Franson and or Gunnar are gone.

M
2012 #5 + Colborne + Percy = Getzlaff
- billyberg10

i'd make that move

I agree with all of the above BUT Burke is in a position of desperation because his job is on the line... cue terrible decision making and mistakes that will cost burke his job regardless
- jps7878

so people think...I actually disagree....i think the actual unbiased critics and or analysts can ACTUALLY see a good progress and direction....imo, hes got another 2-3 years before any added pressure comes about for his job.

I wouldn't.

The unfrotunate part of it is that we don't have a higher calibar prospect right now than Gardiner (and he's a special talent). IMO, getting rid of him for the #1 would only mean digging a hole to fill another hole.
- Pen15

fair enough, i tend to sit on the same side of the fence as you honestly

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time
- Dozzer

he has better chance of being a no2 or 3 here than any where else
plus he wants to play with gardiner, so i've heard

Im actually really hesitant lately to make big moves like that anymore...like I mean, Gardiner can be a great player to have, Schenn too....our 5th pick could turn out to be great...its all still a risk moving our bigger assets to get Nail, even though hes supposed to be an elite guy.

I think were too fragile to make anymore big moves that could have some uncertainties and we should draft our of pick, and try to pry Luongo from Vancity for cheap, or address the tending sitch some other (possibly cheap) way.
- noename09

dont worry.. unlike the terrible kessel deal burke knows what he has now.. any deal that gets made will make sense for the leafs

just kleep burke out of the FA pool.. thats what you should be concerned about

i'd make that move
- Dozzer

would I ever!!.....too bad Getzlaf, like Parise, is not moving. No way no how. Someone would have to do some real good convincing for me to even think for a SECOND that Anaheim moves their only real center...they got NADA coming up behind him and would need some serious potential coming back to replace a guy like that.

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time
- Dozzer

I don't disagree with anything you're saying...

But I think we should try to acquire as much talent as possible and let the chips fall as they may. Not to mention, through an 82 game season, you can usually count on a few injuries.

Also, I think Holzer has 1more year left in the AHL.

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time
- Dozzer

Really the moves at the draft will determine if the leafs can make Shultz consider Toronto. If they can move a couple of D-men at the draft then yes, I would give Toronto a chance to sign the guy but if the D-core remains status quo... OR if the leafs draft a defenseman then Shutlz is a no-go in Toronto

If they want him bad enough, Franson and or Gunnar are gone.
- markmark

and the Leafs would get a decent return for those 2 players

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time
- Dozzer

Pretty sure Anaheim has lots of room on D. Doesn't seem like he was too motivated to play there.

sure he is.. but there would have to be more player movement,

phaneif is a lock, liles as well, gardiner and schenn will play, gunnarson if he is still here, then you got franson, komisarek, and holzer vying for the 6th spot

too many bodies.. to bring shultz in burke would have to clear out a regular spot for him, and they arent going to sit franson and komi ALL season long.

schultz and his agent will indeed take this dynamic into consideration.. there are other teams that are in a position to offer him more and better playing time
- Dozzer

one or two of Franson, Gunnar and Komisarek get moved....Im willing to bet a real beer on it