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Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Jun 8 @ 12:54 PM ET
I know I am on the wrong side of this, but please hear me out. Even your coach didn't know it was the wrong call.
Just because it counted doesn't mean you would have automatically won this game. You have been (for the most part) out played in 7 of 9 periods, out shot, out worked and the goalie duel has been just that. Granted you are without yur top 3 guys, but as Steve Dangle made painfully clear to me that injuries are a part of the game.

You have a great team, excellent prospects and a Bright future. I have always cheered for the leafs when they don't play the Bolts (or in this case baby Bolts vs baby Buds).
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 8 @ 12:55 PM ET
I said an undesirable contract, not one with the same hit as Luongo. Plus, just because the contract is undesirable, doesn't mean it won't help the team in other areas.

If it were from TO, Armstrong, if healthy, could fill-in in the bottom 6, and Connolly could take over as 2nd line centre until Kesler is back from injury, at which point he could either play on the third line or be sent to the minors.

If it were from Florida, Jovo could possibly fill a 6/7th D (they would have to figure out something with Ballard, though).

If there isn't a deal that improves the team in other areas, Gillis will hold on to Luongo to start the season; with the result being that Lou may get fed up and add to the list of teams he's willing to be traded to, and other GM's will realize their band-aid solutions aren't working out and may offer up more. Not an ideal situation, but better than just a cap-dump.

- Fosco

Might be a little stickier than that, though.

If I'm Schnieder, I'm in no hurry to sign a new contract until this thing sorts itself out.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 8 @ 12:58 PM ET
ahhh okay, i see where you're going with this now..

fair enough.. gonna ask you this tho

would you prefer a package of picks/prospects for luongo or a couple of guys like army and connolly?

- Dozzer

Vancouver is going to have to pay to make Luongo go away. They'll get some young middling prospect as a way to save face, but it's not going to be a deal Vancouver fans love.

Which is funny, because Luongo isn't a bad goalie.

But that doesn't seem to matter in this.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 8 @ 12:59 PM ET
I know I am on the wrong side of this, but please hear me out. Even your coach didn't know it was the wrong call.
Just because it counted doesn't mean you would have automatically won this game. You have been (for the most part) out played in 7 of 9 periods, out shot, out worked and the goalie duel has been just that. Granted you are without yur top 3 guys, but as Steve Dangle made painfully clear to me that injuries are a part of the game.

You have a great team, excellent prospects and a Bright future. I have always cheered for the leafs when they don't play the Bolts (or in this case baby Bolts vs baby Buds).

- Artyukhin76

Please tell me you did that on purpose.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 8 @ 12:59 PM ET
komi will be a leaf for at least one more year unless the new CBA allows capless buyouts

and dont hand me the he only makes 3.5million with a cap hit of 4.5million nonsenseyou dont spend 3.5million to save 1 million on the cap.. thats just plain stupid

- Dozzer


If the cap goes up, for teams trying to reach the floor, the above "nonsense" would play a huge part.

However its komi....almost impossible to move.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
it's gotta be looked at logically. how is it that someone making $4.5 million who spends half the season as a healthy scratch on a 13th-placed team holds any value? his value is negative.
- DoubleDown


he was only scratched 15x.. the rest were games off due to injury

but your point still stands
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 8 @ 1:01 PM ET
he was only scratched 15x.. the rest were games off due to injury

but your point still stands

- Dozzer


fair enough.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 8 @ 1:01 PM ET
If the cap goes up, for teams trying to reach the floor, the above "nonsense" would play a huge part.
However its komi....almost impossible to move.

- Fakepartofme

Enter Gomez and his magical contract

not gonna happen, teams will just overpay for guys that are productive instead...like Florida did this year.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:01 PM ET
Vancouver is going to have to pay to make Luongo go away. They'll get some young middling prospect as a way to save face, but it's not going to be a deal Vancouver fans love.

Which is funny, because Luongo isn't a bad goalie.

But that doesn't seem to matter in this.

- Atomic Wedgie


yeah no kidding.. gillis would probably be better off holding onto him... if he werent in a canadian market where it would turn into a side show
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
If the cap goes up, for teams trying to reach the floor, the above "nonsense" would play a huge part.

However its komi....almost impossible to move.

- Fakepartofme


disagree.. there are better options in the FA pool to make the cap floor

no need to handicap your team with poor play
Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Jun 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
Please tell me you did that on purpose.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 1:04 PM ET
I know I am on the wrong side of this, but please hear me out. Even your coach didn't know it was the wrong call.
Just because it counted doesn't mean you would have automatically won this game. You have been (for the most part) out played in 7 of 9 periods, out shot, out worked and the goalie duel has been just that. Granted you are without yur top 3 guys, but as Steve Dangle made painfully clear to me that injuries are a part of the game.

You have a great team, excellent prospects and a Bright future. I have always cheered for the leafs when they don't play the Bolts (or in this case baby Bolts vs baby Buds).

- Artyukhin76

Only one problem with this whole post, Steve Dangle is an idiot who tries to be funny but really is a colossal failure at it.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:05 PM ET
Only one problem with this whole post, Steve Dangle is an idiot who tries to be funny but really is a colossal failure at it.
- LeafMan




however it is funny when you think about how unfunny he is
ILoveLamp
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 8 @ 1:07 PM ET
it's gotta be looked at logically. how is it that someone making $4.5 million who spends half the season as a healthy scratch on a 13th-placed team holds any value? his value is negative.
- DoubleDown


It'll be interesting to see what happens. Beauchemin had a lot of talent and everyone was excited about him joining the Leafs. However, once here, he seemed to digress and have problems playing. A lot of people thought that it was the money, and that he "couldn't handle his contract". When he was traded back to Anaheim, Carlyle said,“When we got him back, it seemed to take about three weeks for him to get his confidence back, When he first got there, he was just slapping the puck around and running all over the place. I was saying to him, ‘Why did this happen?’ He said he didn’t know. He didn’t skate, didn’t move the puck, he was kind of paralyzed."

Sounds familiar to how Schenn has constantly regressed and how Komisarek regressed. I wouldn't doubt that coaching can turn these two around. Wilson's system was defensively brutal and often left the D hanging out to dry.
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 1:07 PM ET


however it is funny when you think about how unfunny he is

- Dozzer

Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:08 PM ET
Hey anyone here provide any insight or experience behind becoming a Financial Advisor or Investment Advisors? Considering taking a career path change and might have an opportunity to start off as an assistant with a big bank(not Sunlife).

GuyLaDouche
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hockeybuzz is against breast e
Joined: 04.30.2011

Jun 8 @ 1:09 PM ET
Maybe, but:

A. Komisarek has value. He would be a top 4 guy with NYI.
B. MK only has 2 years remaining on his contract which isn't bad. CH = $4.5M
C. The Islanders are going to need to take on some cap in order to reach the cap floor
D. NYI needs help on D
E. The difference between picking 4th and 5th is as big for the Islanders than it is for the Leafs IMO.
F. Komisarek is from and has family there and I have to believe that NYI would be among the list of 15 teams in his modified NTC which he is supposed to update next week.

If Komisarek is/was the main pieces going back to Vancouver as MANY have speculated and proposed, then surely it wouldn't take much more than Komisarek to move up 1 spot in the draft. Like I said, even if Burke had to throw in a 6th or 7th rounder he should do it!

Furthermore, if Luongo is a possibility and Komi was headed to NYI, that would leave Franson+ to trade to Vancouver which I think they're a lot more enthusiastic about than Komi.

- As_I_See_It

Komisarek and a 6 or 7th rounder moves you up a spot in the top 5? Or did I read that wrong?
Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Jun 8 @ 1:10 PM ET
Only one problem with this whole post, Steve Dangle is an idiot who tries to be funny but really is a colossal failure at it.
- LeafMan

I like Dangle, but he can be a bit of a twit. I am kinda suprized that is the only thing you found wrong with my post.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:10 PM ET
Enter Gomez and his magical contract

not gonna happen, teams will just overpay for guys that are productive instead...like Florida did this year.

- Symba007

Hey, komi is productive!!
Just not productive in the sense of what the word productive means.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 8 @ 1:11 PM ET
ahhh okay, i see where you're going with this now..

fair enough.. gonna ask you this tho

would you prefer a package of picks/prospects for luongo or a couple of guys like army and connolly?

- Dozzer


I don't think it's a matter of either/or.

If the picks/prospects are good, the Canucks will take a bad contract.

They won't take guys like Armstrong/Connolly without getting something of value, as well.

Taking the bad contract is only to alleviate Lou's cap hit, the good young player/prospect/pick will be the asset that is traded FOR Luongo.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 8 @ 1:12 PM ET
Vancouver is going to have to pay to make Luongo go away. They'll get some young middling prospect as a way to save face, but it's not going to be a deal Vancouver fans love.

Which is funny, because Luongo isn't a bad goalie.

But that doesn't seem to matter in this.

- Atomic Wedgie



This is so absolutely incorrect, it's laughable.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 8 @ 1:12 PM ET
Only one problem with this whole post, Steve Dangle is an idiot who tries to be funny but really is a colossal failure at it.
- LeafMan

Take that back Dangle is a genius just ask every idiot around
ILoveLamp
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jun 8 @ 1:13 PM ET
Hey anyone here provide any insight or experience behind becoming a Financial Advisor or Investment Advisors? Considering taking a career path change and might have an opportunity to start off as an assistant with a big bank(not Sunlife).
- noename09



here's a list of approved training places

https://www.fpsc.ca/core-...rriculum-educators/legacy

then you'll have to register through the FPSC and finish their curriculum requirements and their exams
big_dion
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I've been successful in business for years which is why I can be on hockeybuzz. - HH
Joined: 08.23.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:13 PM ET
no soccer talk will be had during the euro cup, Lou will break out the ban hammer, fully funded by big_d

-you have been warned!
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 8 @ 1:15 PM ET
It'll be interesting to see what happens. Beauchemin had a lot of talent and everyone was excited about him joining the Leafs. However, once here, he seemed to digress and have problems playing. A lot of people thought that it was the money, and that he "couldn't handle his contract". When he was traded back to Anaheim, Carlyle said,“When we got him back, it seemed to take about three weeks for him to get his confidence back, When he first got there, he was just slapping the puck around and running all over the place. I was saying to him, ‘Why did this happen?’ He said he didn’t know. He didn’t skate, didn’t move the puck, he was kind of paralyzed."

Sounds familiar to how Schenn has constantly regressed and how Komisarek regressed. I wouldn't doubt that coaching can turn these two around. Wilson's system was defensively brutal and often left the D hanging out to dry.

- ILoveLamp


No questions at all.. wilson's system was a grave yard for stay at home D

he tried a run and gun approach because of the pathetic size of the forwards and it f'd everything up throughout the lineup
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