Schenn, Armstrong and a 2nd for Luongo and Raymond.
- fiveandagame

No draft picks, especially this year, we are already missing quite a few of them. Raymond is not needed on this team, so he really should not be included in any deal, Huddle is pretty bang on in his assessment.

I'm with you in regards to Lou's value but these rumors of Lou for Gardiner and the fifth overall are far fetched to say the least.

Peronally I'd be happy with Schenn + minor assets/salary dump.
Schenn is still very rough around the edges and yet manages to be one of the leagues best in the number of overall hits per year. That and he's what, 22?
- Whiskey-Tango

The more I think about Schenn the more I like it. He fills a lot of holes in the line up: big, tough, right handed D man that hits. I think he and Edler would look quite good together.

I'm with you in regards to Lou's value but these rumors of Lou for Gardiner and the fifth overall are far fetched to say the least.

Peronally I'd be happy with Schenn + minor assets/salary dump.
Schenn is still very rough around the edges and yet manages to be one of the leagues best in the number of overall hits per year. That and he's what, 22?
- Whiskey-Tango

I would rather keep Lu than just take Schenn and a minor asset. Lu will win us more games than a Dman that had a bad year with a hefty salary and term .
There would be better deals out there.We could keep that 3.6 and go after Garrison insread.

No draft picks, especially this year, we are already missing quite a few of them. Raymond is not needed on this team, so he really should not be included in any deal, Huddle is pretty bang on in his assessment.
- LeafMan

So you are OK with Schenn and Armstrong for Luongo?

So you are OK with Schenn and Armstrong for Luongo?
- fiveandagame

Gillis wouldn't be,so it does not matter what we think

None taken . So Varlomov can get a first and a second but Luongo can't. 3-5 years of TO making the playoffs,what a novel idea .Three core players from one of the best teams in the league for 2 secondary players and a draft pick on one of the worse teams in the league.This is the reason very few teams trade with TO.

This is why I would like TO to rot at the bottom of the league and go for something bigger with SJ CHI or some team.Last team to deal with TO got hosed (CGY)
- VANTEL

Varlamov was a mocked deal from day one, and atleast was young and didn't have a bad contract.

Raymond is not needed in TO-- they have enough small speedy players, whereas they're looking for more help up the middle and for some size. And Bieksa is a player that yea has value, but wouldn't be someone that makes sense for Toronto, because of his age. Toronto needs to be looking at players in their early-mid 20's who have many years left, or else you end up with diminishing assets when you've given up assets (Schenn/Gardiner/5th) on an upswing.

Toronto isn't at the point where making that deal makes sense. If all they needed was a legit goalie and some tinkering to be a contendor, and Schenn/Gardiner were depth, than it makes sense. But Gardiner and Schenn are Top Four core guys and the 5th will be another core piece for the long term.

It's all about where Toronto is right now, and the fact that it doesn't make sense from that standpoint.

None taken . So Varlomov can get a first and a second but Luongo can't. 3-5 years of TO making the playoffs,what a novel idea .Three core players from one of the best teams in the league for 2 secondary players and a draft pick on one of the worse teams in the league.This is the reason very few teams trade with TO.

This is why I would like TO to rot at the bottom of the league and go for something bigger with SJ CHI or some team.Last team to deal with TO got hosed (CGY)
- VANTEL

No kidding. One could argue that we won the PT again this year because of our goaltending. Lu virtually guarantees that TO makes the playoffs. No other goaltender that will be available can provide that guarantee.

I would rather keep Lu than just take Schenn and a minor asset. Lu will win us more games than a Dman that had a bad year with a hefty salary and term .There would be better deals out there.We could keep that 3.6 and go after Garrison insread.
- VANTEL

I think Schenn would flourish in the right situation. When he was drafted he was touted as the next Scott Stevens and was asked to do way to much as a 18/19 year old. Give him a good partner like Edler and teach him to be a stay at home guy that hits and clears the crease and I think he would be very effective.

If a bidding war is started on Garrison he will go for more then 3.6 and I personally would take Schenn's pedigree over Garrisons.

I think Schenn would flourish in the right situation. When he was drafted he was touted as the next Scott Stevens and was asked to do way to much as a 18/19 year old. Give him a good partner like Edler and teach him to be a stay at home guy that hits and clears the crease and I think he would be very effective.

If a bidding war is started on Garrison he will go for more then 3.6 and I personally would take Schenn's pedigree over Garrisons.
- fiveandagame

Completely agree.

I think Schenn would flourish in the right situation. When he was drafted he was touted as the next Scott Stevens and was asked to do way to much as a 18/19 year old. Give him a good partner like Edler and teach him to be a stay at home guy that hits and clears the crease and I think he would be very effective.

If a bidding war is started on Garrison he will go for more then 3.6 and I personally would take Schenn's pedigree over Garrisons.
- fiveandagame

Armstrong 3 mil for a guy that was sent down
Boll McLeod Calkner (D) cheaper better options.

Giving up Luongo ,one of the top 15 goalies in the league for a Dman being paid 3.6 that had a bad year . You don't trade top 15 goalies for potential.
Keep Ballard then, for 700 K more ,and we are sure of his potential more than a player on a bad team that has trouble finding a regular spot . Sorry .

I would rather hang on to what we have .

Would Bieksa waive his NTC to play for the Leafs?

Luongo, Bieksa ,and Raymond for Schenn ,Gardiner ,5th overall and Armstrong.
- VANTEL

and people call leaf fans delusional..

Varlamov was a mocked deal from day one, and atleast was young and didn't have a bad contract.

Raymond is not needed in TO-- they have enough small speedy players, whereas they're looking for more help up the middle and for some size. And Bieksa is a player that yea has value, but wouldn't be someone that makes sense for Toronto, because of his age. Toronto needs to be looking at players in their early-mid 20's who have many years left, or else you end up with diminishing assets when you've given up assets (Schenn/Gardiner/5th) on an upswing.

Toronto isn't at the point where making that deal makes sense. If all they needed was a legit goalie and some tinkering to be a contendor, and Schenn/Gardiner were depth, than it makes sense. But Gardiner and Schenn are Top Four core guys and the 5th will be another core piece for the long term.

It's all about where Toronto is right now, and the fact that it doesn't make sense from that standpoint.
- Brian Huddle

Ummmm... Leo Komarov 5'-11" 198lbs 25 years old. You are correct he's much better than Raymond. No small, speedy guys needed!

In regards to Schenn, he has yet to develop in the manner a high pick is expected to develop. From his draft year, Steven Stamkos has grown into hockey’s greatest goal scorer; Alex Pietrangelo has become the best young defenceman on the best regular season team in hockey; Drew Doughty has already played in one Olympic Games and will play in more. And of those defencemen chosen after him — Tyler Myers has already been a rookie of the year, Erik Karlsson may win the Norris Trophy this season.
Schenn is seventh on a Leaf team that dresses six most nights. His 15 minutes, 59 seconds a night, that’s his average, have marked him as dispensable, where historically everything else about should indicate otherwise.
(from a Toronto Sun article).

Doesn't sound like a core guy to me.

So you are OK with Schenn and Armstrong for Luongo?
- fiveandagame

Sorry didn't see this, I would rather keep Schenn, I'm not one that really wants Luongo, I'm not going to flip out if we acquire him but I'm not one that will say you can get him for virtually nothing, he does have value. What would it take, has to be a salary dump like Armstrong, a good prospect and roster player (not Schenn or Gardiner).

and people call leaf fans delusional..
- jbold

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ke_roberto_luongo_update/

The more I think about Schenn the more I like it. He fills a lot of holes in the line up: big, tough, right handed D man that hits. I think he and Edler would look quite good together.
- fiveandagame

I'd rather it be Franson than Schenn. Schenn is a gamble at $3.6 million if he never reaches his potential. Franson is an RFA and will likely sign a reasonable deal for a couple seasons. He's got areas where he needs to improve, but he's a R-side D, is huge, and has a big shot, plus, being from BC, he'll fulfill the requirements of all the fans who get a boner over BC-born defenders.

Gillis wouldn't be,so it does not matter what we think
- VANTEL

Right, but if Gillis is expecting 2 young core players and a top 5-10 pick for Lou then in this case the other GMs wouldn't bother answering the phone. Also, in regards to keeping Lou another year it will only lessen his overall value.

Armstrong 3 mil for a guy that was sent down
Boll McLeod Calkner (D) cheaper better options.

Giving up Luongo ,one of the top 15 goalies in the league for a Dman being paid 3.6 that had a bad year . You don't trade top 15 goalies for potential.
Keep Ballard then, for 700 K more ,and we are sure of his potential more than a player on a bad team that has trouble finding a regular spot . Sorry .

I would rather hang on to what we have .
- VANTEL

There are some Canucks fans that think we are getting Schenn/Gardneri/5th over all.

There are some Leaf fans that think we are getting Komi and 5th round pick.

I really think that Toronto is the front runner for Luongo so I am trying to find some middle ground. For as valuble as Luongo is, he does have some trade restrictions (contract, NTC) so that will limit some options.

As far as your evaluation of Schenn - he is 6'2, 225lb, 22 year old 5th overall pick that hits everything. Based on your "had a bad year" scenario, pretty much the entire Vancouver roster would have little to no trade value.

I would do that trade in a second, and its actually fair both ways. That you MG?
- TLinden16

sorry not even close to being fair both ways ... no offense ..

Ummmm... Leo Komarov 5'-11" 198lbs 25 years old. You are correct he's much better than Raymond. No small, speedy guys needed!

In regards to Schenn, he has yet to develop in the manner a high pick is expected to develop. From his draft year, Steven Stamkos has grown into hockey’s greatest goal scorer; Alex Pietrangelo has become the best young defenceman on the best regular season team in hockey; Drew Doughty has already played in one Olympic Games and will play in more. And of those defencemen chosen after him — Tyler Myers has already been a rookie of the year, Erik Karlsson may win the Norris Trophy this season.
Schenn is seventh on a Leaf team that dresses six most nights. His 15 minutes, 59 seconds a night, that’s his average, have marked him as dispensable, where historically everything else about should indicate otherwise.
(from a Toronto Sun article).

Doesn't sound like a core guy to me.
- bloatedmosquito

Leo Komarov is a 4th line pest... what does he have to do with anything?

And Schenn had a tough year playing in a system that requires Dmen to play wide to the boards to transition play faster and his footspeed was exposed. Prior to that, he was playing 20+ a night. He's a core guy who had a bad year. It happens.

Ummmm... Leo Komarov 5'-11" 198lbs 25 years old. You are correct he's much better than Raymond. No small, speedy guys needed!

In regards to Schenn, he has yet to develop in the manner a high pick is expected to develop. From his draft year, Steven Stamkos has grown into hockey’s greatest goal scorer; Alex Pietrangelo has become the best young defenceman on the best regular season team in hockey; Drew Doughty has already played in one Olympic Games and will play in more. And of those defencemen chosen after him — Tyler Myers has already been a rookie of the year, Erik Karlsson may win the Norris Trophy this season.
Schenn is seventh on a Leaf team that dresses six most nights. His 15 minutes, 59 seconds a night, that’s his average, have marked him as dispensable, where historically everything else about should indicate otherwise.
(from a Toronto Sun article).

Doesn't sound like a core guy to me.
- bloatedmosquito

don't believe everything you read in a paper from TO ...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/05/29/toronto_maple_leafs_brian_burke_roberto_luongo_update/
- VANTEL

That article says Absolutly nothing...
They don't even go on record in saying the two teams are even talking?

There are some Canucks fans that think we are getting Schenn/Gardneri/5th over all.

There are some Leaf fans that think we are getting Komi and 5th round pick.

I really think that Toronto is the front runner for Luongo so I am trying to find some middle ground. For as valuble as Luongo is, he does have some trade restrictions (contract, NTC) so that will limit some options.

As far as your evaluation of Schenn - he is 6'2, 225lb, 22 year old 5th overall pick that hits everything. Based on your "had a bad year" scenario, pretty much the entire Vancouver roster would have little to no trade value.
- fiveandagame

Canucks won't get all three for Lu . Listen to what those guys from Sportsnet say on the link Scooby posted the other day.I reposted it.


People forget and I believe him ,Gillis said I will not trade for the sake of trading. It has to make sense. Taking back bad contracts for a guy who was one of your most valuable players does not make sense. We do not need to deal with the Leafs .There are other teams we can trade with that are in need of a goalie and not trying to stiff us.

Do you really care if Leafs have no goalie again next year and don't make the playoffs. They are the least of my concerns .Being competive at the top is the only thing that matters.

don't believe everything you read in a paper from TO ...
- LeafsfaninBC

Especially the Toronto Sun. If the Leafs ever won the Cup, they'd complain that they didn't do it fast enough. Toronto could have Sidney Crosby and the Sun would say "he's no Evengeni Malkin."

and people call leaf fans delusional..
- jbold

What's funny is not making the playoffs for so many years with all those all-stars on the Leafs roster. Tell me if your team has so many great players that WILL not be traded for a top goalie why is it that Toronto has not made said playoffs in a sport where just over half the teams make the playoffs. Surely with such young talent to go along with the veteran talent one would think a team could sneak it's way in...even the Florida Panthers made it.

Especially the Toronto Sun. If the Leafs ever won the Cup, they'd complain that they didn't do it fast enough. Toronto could have Sidney Crosby and the Sun would say "he's no Evengeni Malkin."
- Brian Huddle

exactly .. how you doing huddle .. long time no speak hope all is well buddy