I'm only here to help.
- Double_A

I'd guess you don't buy into the hype around Wideman's resurgence either?

So why not propose something, that actually works for both ends? Not this BS that we need defense so we should trade away a real good asset for a lessor asset. PIT needs a winger for Crosby, maybe they should trade Malkin for Nash.
- Lahey

Again, I fail to see how Hemsky works for Winnipeg. He DOESN'T solve Winnipeg's most glaring need. Hemsky isn't a real good asset.

LOL at your comment about trading away Malkin for Nash.

Again, I fail to see how Hemsky works for Winnipeg. He DOESN'T solve Winnipeg's most glaring need. Hemsky isn't a real good asset.

LOL at your comment about trading away Malkin for Nash.
- Oneonta Penguin

Just like 1 year of Enstrom does nothing for the Oilers, but you don't seem to understand that.

Where do we sign?
- Oil Tycoon

Haha, he's definitely trolling....I hope, at least.

I prefer Bogosian over Enstrom. I don't see WPG trading Kane, but every player has it's price and it will cost EDM more in a deal involving prying Kane and Bogosian rather WPG prying the first pick from EDM. For a dreaming deal...

EDM: Bogosian, Kane, WPG 1st pick
WPG: MPS, EDM 1st pick, petry, 1st 2013
- deks1

maybe.

If the Oilers draft Yakupov why not get a puck mOving d-man and get Enstrom and Burmistrov? Add a Russian to play with him and toss out some one to the Jets. He spent way, way more time in Noel's dog house than Kane ever did.

I'm totally shocked that there are folks who think Edmonton will be able to easily fill d-holes. It has not happened in 5 years and now it will without having to give up some one?

The bigger question is why are people do afraid to make a hockey deal for Edmonton? Baffling to me. Make a proposal, open it up but don't dismiss Enstrom because you think there is something better. What is it and why will Edmonton get him/them?

We've got at least three glaring weaknesses, and defense is only one of them...It's a bogus proposal, but this 'you guys have to trade yakupov or they're screwed' act is getting about as old as the 'yakupov is going to be a generational talent'. Neither is true.
- Morris

One of the things I like about the Oil's top-end talent is they're all Canadian boys. Hopefully they keep the trend alive and trade down for Murray. Yakupov is a sure thing, but so is Murray, in a more dire position for the Oil.

Again, I fail to see how Hemsky works for Winnipeg. He DOESN'T solve Winnipeg's most glaring need. Hemsky isn't a real good asset.

LOL at your comment about trading away Malkin for Nash.
- Oneonta Penguin

Do you have a proposal that you think works for both teams? We don't see one, really. I'd love to hear you contribute to this conversation.

If the Oilers draft Yakupov why not get a puck mOving d-man and get Enstrom and Burmistrov? Add a Russian to play with him and toss out some one to the Jets. He spent way, way more time in Noel's dog house than Kane ever did.

I'm totally shocked that there are folks who think Edmonton will be able to easily fill d-holes. It has not happened in 5 years and now it will without having to give up some one?

The bigger question is why are people do afraid to make a hockey deal for Edmonton? Baffling to me. Make a proposal, open it up but don't dismiss Enstrom because you think there is something better. What is it and why will Edmonton get him/them?
- Peter.Tessier

So what exactly are you proposing?


Only reason we dismiss Enstrom is because it's not worth traded assets for a guy that could walk in a year. We did that with Cole and got lucky to salvage something for him that year.

As for filling d, follow the Oil. We signed Souray, traded for Lubo, traded for Visnovsky. Before that we traded for Pronger, Gilbert, Hamrlik, Pitkanen, Mironon, Ninimaa etc.. And not once did we sell the farm to get help.

If the Oilers draft Yakupov why not get a puck mOving d-man and get Enstrom and Burmistrov? Add a Russian to play with him and toss out some one to the Jets. He spent way, way more time in Noel's dog house than Kane ever did.

I'm totally shocked that there are folks who think Edmonton will be able to easily fill d-holes. It has not happened in 5 years and now it will without having to give up some one?

The bigger question is why are people do afraid to make a hockey deal for Edmonton? Baffling to me. Make a proposal, open it up but don't dismiss Enstrom because you think there is something better. What is it and why will Edmonton get him/them?
- Peter.Tessier

I don't think anyone said Edmonton will easily fill d-holes. I just don't know that there's a logical "someone" to ship out. Trading Hall when he doesn't want out TWO years after beginning the rebuild for him doesn't make any sense. You can say the same for RNH and Eberle. That leaves us with dmen that we don't want to give up, and guys like MPS, Hemsky and Gagner - who are repeatedly called useless. I would consider an Enstrom package for any of them, though.

I should mention though that in the time since Pronger, Visnovsky, Pitkanen, Souray and Whitney have been Oilers. Though they didn't stick, we certainly were able to acquire top 4 pieces one way or another.

The other thing to consider is that our team is still pretty young, and we had two dmen making good on their draft promise last year (Smid and Petry), and arguably our top 6 prospects not in the NHL are dmen. Just because it's not a need that can't be addressed easily doesn't mean we should go about it quickly and haphazardly.

Just like 1 year of Enstrom does nothing for the Oilers, but you don't seem to understand that.
- Lahey

I know he has one year left. One year of Enstrom is better than two years of Hemsky. So, Edmonton wouldn't try to resign him?

I know he has one year left. One year of Enstrom is better than two years of Hemsky. So, Edmonton wouldn't try to resign him?
- Oneonta Penguin

Why risk it? We traded Pitkanen for one year of Erik Cole, there is no reason to go through that again if we don't have to.

One of the things I like about the Oil's top-end talent is they're all Canadian boys. Hopefully they keep the trend alive and trade down for Murray. Yakupov is a sure thing, but so is Murray, in a more dire position for the Oil.
- clarkysduster

Yakupov loves to win, he definitely seems to be from the ovie ilk as far as Russians go. I'd be happy with Murray, but it would depend on the package we got to trade down. I expect to add about 2-3 more dmen this year, (we'll be picking 32nd, 63rd and 90/91st, and I wouldn't be surprised if we traded picks/players to move up). We've also got about 6 d prospects who look NHL calibre right now. With how young our team is, I think we'll be okay even with Yakupov

I'd guess you don't buy into the hype around Wideman's resurgence either?
- Morris

Wideman > Corvo but not by much. He put up good #'s with the Caps, but I'm pretty sure he was on the ice for nearly every goal against in Round 1. I wouldn't touch either of them personally. Wideman is better from a pure hockey sense perspective (then again, I don't know if I've seen a less aware player than Corvo), but he's also a brutal skater. It's kind of akin to deciding whether you'd like to eat at Applebee's or Arby's.

I know he has one year left. One year of Enstrom is better than two years of Hemsky. So, Edmonton wouldn't try to resign him?
- Oneonta Penguin

Isn't that a moot point, because Hemsky for Enstrom is illogical?

Please offer a counter-proposal.

Do you have a proposal that you think works for both teams? We don't see one, really. I'd love to hear you contribute to this conversation.
- Morris

There isn't a match trade wise. He is worth more than Hemsky. Winnipeg DOESN'T need Hemsky, nor should it entertain the notion of even considering it. Enstrom isn't worth the first overall pick either. I think Winnipeg should just resign the kid.

There isn't a match trade wise. He is worth more than Hemsky. Winnipeg DOESN'T need Hemsky, nor should it entertain the notion of even considering it. Enstrom isn't worth the first overall pick either. I think Winnipeg should just resign the kid.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's what I'd do.

I could however see something around Hainsey, which would make more sense from both sides.

Why risk it? We traded Pitkanen for one year of Erik Cole, there is no reason to go through that again if we don't have to.
- Lahey

It's not like you would be giving up much. One year of Enstrom is better than two years of Hemsky. You must not have much faith in your organization resigning acquisitions. Again, Enstrom for Hemsky makes no sense to begin with, especially for Winnipeg.

There isn't a match here for a deal. There is a match for destination as Edmonton could use him.

There isn't a match trade wise. He is worth more than Hemsky. Winnipeg DOESN'T need Hemsky, nor should it entertain the notion of even considering it. Enstrom isn't worth the first overall pick either. I think Winnipeg should just resign the kid.
- Oneonta Penguin

I somewhat agree. I don't think Winnipeg needs Hemsky, I think they could use him though. I wouldn't be surprised to see Winnipeg hold on to Enstrom.

I'm not really sure the point of your discontent though. This is a blog discussing the possibility of Enstrom to Edmonton, and you spend a lot of time informing everyone of what ISN'T fair value, and then don't provide any indication what you think fair value could be. Obviously this blog isn't for you.

It's not like you would be giving up much. One year of Enstrom is better than two years of Hemsky. You must not have much faith in your organization resigning acquisitions. Again, Enstrom for Hemsky makes no sense to begin with, especially for Winnipeg.

There isn't a match here for a deal. There is a match for destination as Edmonton could use him.
- Oneonta Penguin

Hemsky still has a role here. We don't know how good Yak is going to be to start, we don't know how healthy Hall is going to be. Hemsky has a spot.

That's what I'd do.

I could however see something around Hainsey, which would make more sense from both sides.
- Lahey

I was being generous with Enstrom, Hainsey is cruel. He has a mtc and can select 15 teams to which he will be traded.

I was being generous with Enstrom, Hainsey is cruel. He has a mtc and can select 15 teams to which he will be traded.
- Peter.Tessier

Threaten to send him to the AHL, that and really how much worse of a situation is it to go to Edmonton?

I somewhat agree. I don't think Winnipeg needs Hemsky, I think they could use him though. I wouldn't be surprised to see Winnipeg hold on to Enstrom.

I'm not really sure the point of your discontent though. This is a blog discussing the possibility of Enstrom to Edmonton, and you spend a lot of time informing everyone of what ISN'T fair value, and then don't provide any indication what you think fair value could be. Obviously this blog isn't for you.
- Morris

I DON'T see fair value. You aren't trading Hall, Eberle, RN-H or the first overall pick for him, nor should you entertain the notion of doing it. Your second tiered guys aren't good enough for Winnipeg, especially Hemsky, which was brought up by someone - not me.

Winnipeg has several centers, albeit not studs, but solid. I'm not a fan of Gagner, but even he wouldn't be a fit. Wellwood, Burmistrov, Little ... no need for him.

So, this is now prospects and second round picks at best.

Flipping Enstrom for Klefbom and a second makes no sense because you see nothing for two years at least. Musil, who might interest Winnipeg because of his style, won't be ready for two years. Pitlick, eh?

Haartikinen - if he lived up to the way he looks at times, I might consider it if I'm Winnipeg. Something about that kid doesn't feel or look right. MPV you want to throw him in every deal imaginable - sort of like Toronto fans with Kadri. That tells me you don't think too much of him at all, but overate him at the same time when it comes to thinking of trades. Maybe, there is room for either one on the roster if Smyth isn't resigned. Quite frankly, I wouldn't resign him and see what you have with these two at LW.

All defensemen swaps as in current NHL players are out because Winnipeg would lose out.

Again, Edmonton could use him without question. I just don't see a deal that would not only be fair value, but something what Winnipeg could use to get better. Enstrom, though not a stud, isn't exactly a spare part either.

I DON'T see fair value. You aren't trading Hall, Eberle, RN-H or the first overall pick for him, nor should you entertain the notion of doing it. Your second tiered guys aren't good enough for Winnipeg, especially Hemsky, which was brought up by someone - not me.

Winnipeg has several centers, albeit not studs, but solid. I'm not a fan of Gagner, but even he wouldn't be a fit. Wellwood, Burmistrov, Little ... no need for him.

So, this is now prospects and second round picks at best.

Flipping Enstrom for Klefbom and a second makes no sense because you see nothing for two years at least. Musil, who might interest Winnipeg because of his style, won't be ready for two years. Pitlick, eh?

Haartikinen - if he lived up to the way he looks at times, I might consider it if I'm Winnipeg. Something about that kid doesn't feel or look right. MPV you want to throw him in every deal imaginable - sort of like Toronto fans with Kadri. That tells me you don't think too much of him at all, but overate him at the same time when it comes to thinking of trades. Maybe, there is room for either one on the roster if Smyth isn't resigned. Quite frankly, I wouldn't resign him and see what you have with these two at LW.

All defensemen swaps as in current NHL players are out because Winnipeg would lose out.

Again, Edmonton could use him without question. I just don't see a deal that would not only be fair value, but something what Winnipeg could use to get better. Enstrom, though not a stud, isn't exactly a spare part either.
- Oneonta Penguin

Fair enough.

Gagner could fit in as a winger and a playmaker with their collection of good shooters, but it's a stretch.

What doesn't look right about Harti is his terrible skating he's a ongoing project and would only be part of a package deal. MPS is a great prospect, who if he maxes out still has a similar skill-set to Hall: a 6"2 200lb LW with great skating ability who loves to crash the net. His similarity to Hall is the only reason he gets thrown into proposals, it has little to do with his talent level (which is high).

I just feel like you come in to every Edmonton related thread guns blazing, even casual speculations like this one. I'll admit you're not as bad as some who seem to claim that we should overpay for middling defensemen because we "need them so bad". It still gets a little old. Especially the Hemsky is useless stuff. As I say, he scores well enough to be a top6er on a lot of teams.

Wideman > Corvo but not by much. He put up good #'s with the Caps, but I'm pretty sure he was on the ice for nearly every goal against in Round 1. I wouldn't touch either of them personally. Wideman is better from a pure hockey sense perspective (then again, I don't know if I've seen a less aware player than Corvo), but he's also a brutal skater. It's kind of akin to deciding whether you'd like to eat at Applebee's or Arby's.
- Double_A

Yeah I expect Wideman to get a payday like Souray did when we signed him (with similar results). So I hope it's not us that give him the desperate payday.