You have completely brought into the horse shat. Yeah, drafting players is the way to go. No doubt about it. Not solely on it. Oh boy there I go again "screaming and pouting"
- Cptmjl

I have no idea what this jumbled mess of a thought you're posting even means here.

Continue your ranting, clearly you're a cut above the average bear.

So why did these players all resign, why did they not blast Wang/Snow and demand out.

Nielsen's been here since 2003, this was his chance to be free of Wang's circus, he was in headlines for the Selke and had options, why did he stay and take eleven million dollars?

Comeau was disappointed he could only get one year.

Why did the goalie who refused to report and was tolled for 500k not only sign on a team loaded with prospects, but was thrilled to do so?

Tell me why Tavares did not tell his agent get me out of here right now, instead of signing for six years if Wang and Snow are this bad.

Peca went to Edmonton, he blasted their management, he does now owe Wang anything but all Peca does is praise Charles Wang?
- NYI

You are right, Charles Wang is da man! We should start calling him a genius and Snow "the architect"(I'm going to hell, for this I know I am). Wang for president, he's my hero. Best owner around

I have no idea what this jumbled mess of a thought you're posting even means here.

Continue your ranting, clearly you're a cut above the average bear.
- Isles_since_6

Think you got the message loud and clear, another super genius on Hockeybuzz? Quite a few on here these days. Why don't you just take a long walk off a short pier you little sheep. You want to disagree, thats fine. Once you start name calling I'll no longer take you seriously. Grow up Islessince6, what are you seven now?

I just posted the same thing, "Chicago over paying for Huet"
- Cptmjl

On July 1, 2008, the first day of unrestricted free-agency, he agreed to terms on a new 4-year contract with the Chicago Blackhawks worth a total of $22.4 million or $5.625 million per season.

Huet entered the 2009-2010 season as the Blackhawks undisputed number one goaltender, a first in his career. Despite a slow start, he picked up his play while backup goalie Antti Niemi excelled behind him as well. Eventually, after months of streaky play, Huet was again replaced by Niemi, who took the starting position going into the playoffs. Huet played twenty minutes in all of the 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs, with Niemi playing the rest, and the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup with a playoff record of 16-6.

On September 27, 2010, Huet was loaned to HC Fribourg-Gotteron SA of the Swiss National League A to relieve the Blackhawks' salary cap issues

You are right, Charles Wang is da man! We should start calling him a genius and Snow "the architect"(I'm going to hel, for this I know I am). Wang for president, he's my hero. Best owner around
- Cptmjl

are you early teens or just didn't graduate high school? Instead of posting up useless crap with broken english maybe you should post up a proper response in english so we can understand exactly what you're talking about and what you think they should do. Otherwise you contribute absolutely nothing.

So why did these players all resign, why did they not blast Wang/Snow and demand out.

Nielsen's been here since 2003, this was his chance to be free of Wang's circus, he was in headlines for the Selke and had options, why did he stay and take eleven million dollars?

Comeau was disappointed he could only get one year.

Why did the goalie who refused to report and was tolled for 500k not only sign on a team loaded with prospects, but was thrilled to do so?

Tell me why Tavares did not tell his agent get me out of here right now, instead of signing for six years if Wang and Snow are this bad.

Peca went to Edmonton, he blasted their management, he does now owe Wang anything but all Peca does is praise Charles Wang?
- NYI

whats your theory on why this all happened? my guess is that they have the first hand experience of being drafted (forced to play) by the islanders and realize it isnt that bad afterall. they have built a camaraderie amongst each other. its the GMs job to try to convince the players what the players on the team already know...its the owners job to dip into his pocket and pay for the FA that are desired...all the players you named have signed and havent said anything negative about the organization, very true...but than again, players had to get paid so it was them....

On July 1, 2008, the first day of unrestricted free-agency, he agreed to terms on a new 4-year contract with the Chicago Blackhawks worth a total of $22.4 million or $5.625 million per season.

Huet entered the 2009-2010 season as the Blackhawks undisputed number one goaltender, a first in his career. Despite a slow start, he picked up his play while backup goalie Antti Niemi excelled behind him as well. Eventually, after months of streaky play, Huet was again replaced by Niemi, who took the starting position going into the playoffs. Huet played twenty minutes in all of the 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs, with Niemi playing the rest, and the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup with a playoff record of 16-6.

On September 27, 2010, Huet was loaned to HC Fribourg-Gotteron SA of the Swiss National League A to relieve the Blackhawks' salary cap issues
- NYI

OK, awesome. Thanks captain obvious. The Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup... Are you saying ownership and Talon did a bad job?

So why did these players all resign, why did they not blast Wang/Snow and demand out.

Nielsen's been here since 2003, this was his chance to be free of Wang's circus, he was in headlines for the Selke and had options, why did he stay and take eleven million dollars?

Comeau was disappointed he could only get one year.

Why did the goalie who refused to report and was tolled for 500k not only sign on a team loaded with prospects, but was thrilled to do so?

Tell me why Tavares did not tell his agent get me out of here right now, instead of signing for six years if Wang and Snow are this bad.

Peca went to Edmonton, he blasted their management, he does now owe Wang anything but all Peca does is praise Charles Wang?
- NYI

If everyone wants to work for Charles Wang because he's so amazing, you think we'd be able to attract better players than Reasoner, Staios, Rolston, Pandolfo. Oh, I forgot, there's a massive conspiracy between Newsday, MSG, Chris Botta, Mayor Bloomberg, the Phoenix Coyotes and Mars...all bent on preventing the world from seeing what a genius Charles Wang really is.

are you early teens or just didn't graduate high school? Instead of posting up useless crap with broken english maybe you should post up a proper response in english so we can understand exactly what you're talking about and what you think they should do. Otherwise you contribute absolutely nothing.
- Isles_since_6

I wrote that with sarcassam you half wit. BTW, your contributions to Hockeybuzz have been legendary. Keep up the good work

On July 1, 2008, the first day of unrestricted free-agency, he agreed to terms on a new 4-year contract with the Chicago Blackhawks worth a total of $22.4 million or $5.625 million per season.

Huet entered the 2009-2010 season as the Blackhawks undisputed number one goaltender, a first in his career. Despite a slow start, he picked up his play while backup goalie Antti Niemi excelled behind him as well. Eventually, after months of streaky play, Huet was again replaced by Niemi, who took the starting position going into the playoffs. Huet played twenty minutes in all of the 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs, with Niemi playing the rest, and the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup with a playoff record of 16-6.

On September 27, 2010, Huet was loaned to HC Fribourg-Gotteron SA of the Swiss National League A to relieve the Blackhawks' salary cap issues
- NYI

Yeah, it's not like Charles Wang would ever make a catastrophic contract blunder with a goaltender...

I wrote that with sarcassam you half wit. BTW, your contributions to Hockeybuzz have been legendary. Keep up the good work
- Cptmjl

I can disagree with uif and jethro among others and it's still a conversation. With you, it devolves into personal attacks. I wonder why.

Yeah, it's not like Charles Wang would ever make a catastrophic contract blunder with a goaltender...
- UIF

This actually made me laugh

I can disagree with uif and jethro among others and it's still a conversation. With you, it devolves into personal attacks. I wonder why.
- Isles_since_6

I don't appreciate being told by someone I'm "making an ass of myself' because I have a difference of opinion with them. Maybe people in Vancouver are OK being told that and think its not an attack? Hint, most people from NY find that offensive. Thats what started this but you already know that.

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on Msg+++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another 11m tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury resigned in 2006.
Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

What a horrible owner for signing everyone he could, when he could have kept his cash in the bank.

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Jack Capuano a year ago got a team eighteen games under five hundred all the way to four games under with 620 man games lost and was hired with Bylsma and just as qualified to win with the right players.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Funny cheapo Wang did another lighthouse tournament flying in kids from all over the world and housing them for a week with no media coverage. The Coliseum hosts the NYC Cops/Fireman game while Bloomberg shows up at Msg to hand the Garden eleven million dollars.

Seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's go sign Souray so he can lose here instead or Dallas, that's what a real gm does.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Incredible gm Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

If Snow were a real gm he would have done that.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

Bottom line he's had very bad luck with injuries, some great decisions and some mistakes.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got big taxpayer money or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings on the Lighthouse, then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no lease because they have their own development plans with Hofstra's Stuart Rabinowicz.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson for Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, buying WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

Your fingers must hurt. My eyes hurt from reading it all. You left out some important information as part of CW's record:

CW has owned the team since 2000. The team has made the playoffs a total of four times in 11 seasons. His teams have finished in the bottom five of the league in six of 11 seasons, the last five in a row.

I can go on and on about the circus-stopping decisions, moves and lack of moves CW has made since he's been owner. I'm not going to beat a dead horse. I love that the young players want to sign long-term deals, but lets face it: they don't have much choice. They're all RFA's for a while anyway. We'll see how bad PAP wants to stay on July 1.

If you think CW has done a good job as owner, more power to you. But I can't sit here and survey the past 10+ years of CW ownership and say he's done a good job. The team's record and reputation since CW arrived has been downright embarassing. If you want proof of it, look no further than the public perception of the team among hockey's media, players and agents.

If everyone wants to work for Charles Wang because he's so amazing, you think we'd be able to attract better players than Reasoner, Staios, Rolston, Pandolfo.
- UIF

Like who in a terrible UFA class? Give me a name for last summer and this one and don't tell me Parise because he going to want 20m-30m for 2012-13 pre lockout money so he don't lose 24 percent of his contract and givebacks like the last CBA.

Did you want Snow to offer an over 35 like Javonovski sixteen milllion dollars for four years or go make a trade for Campbell's contract?

Did you want Snow to go give Kaberle what Carolina did, who traded him as quick as possible and their gm said signing him was a huge mistake?

How about McCabe who no team would touch.

Did you want to bring back Wisniewski for more than what Tavares got front-loaded (do you even understand front-loading contracts?) Ehrhoff got a massive overpayment that Vancouver would not give him and had a terrible season.

I guess the Isles could have given Nystrom the money they gave Pandolfo or brought back Torres at 1m to kick Martin off the team.

Did you want Snow to match what Tampa gave Gervais or Bergeron.

Wang offered over twenty million for Ehrhoff, don't tell me he did not try and spend.

Let's see your plan.

I don't appreciate being told by someone I'm "making an ass of myself' because I have a difference of opinion with them. Maybe people in Vancouver are OK being told that and think its not an attack? Hint, most people from NY find that offensive. Thats what started this but you already know that.
- Cptmjl

it's not just that one post that prompted that comment. From ranting about Dee continually to DP, to Snow, to Wang. Everyone's frustrated with the state of the team, but there's only so many times you can post something in an extremely negative manner (when nothing will change)

I cannot for the life of me remember a positive post from you. Ever. Unfortunately, that's solidified my opinion of you. You're an ass. You contribute nothing to a discussion and for you, the sky is always falling. Not interested in responding to you any longer, frankly it's a waste of my time.

Guys ....... wondering, dont know if anyone is on twitter, but if so
anyone follow Incarcerated BOB,
whether or not you find him accurate or not, I do find him
to be about 75% rite on things...
yesterday he tweeted about the 4th pick + DeHaan for Subban
whats your take, I dont know if theres more to it but I like it...
- Ur Not Me

Too much

XxNYIxX

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on Msg+++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another 11m tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury resigned in 2006.
Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

What a horrible owner for signing everyone he could, when he could have kept his cash in the bank.

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Jack Capuano a year ago got a team eighteen games under five hundred all the way to four games under with 620 man games lost and was hired with Bylsma and just as qualified to win with the right players.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Funny cheapo Wang did another lighthouse tournament flying in kids from all over the world and housing them for a week with no media coverage. The Coliseum hosts the NYC Cops/Fireman game while Bloomberg shows up at Msg to hand the Garden eleven million dollars.

Seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's go sign Souray so he can lose here instead or Dallas, that's what a real gm does.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Incredible gm Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

If Snow were a real gm he would have done that.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

Bottom line he's had very bad luck with injuries, some great decisions and some mistakes.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got big taxpayer money or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings on the Lighthouse, then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no lease because they have their own development plans with Hofstra's Stuart Rabinowicz.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson for Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, buying WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

for the record this is NYI who posted this and not me NYI78 i haven't written that much since college

Like who in a terrible UFA class? Give me a name for last summer and this one and don't tell me Parise because he going to want 20m-30m for 2012-13 pre lockout money so he don't lose 24 percent of his contract and givebacks like the last CBA.

Did you want Snow to offer an over 35 like Javonovski sixteen milllion dollars for four years or go make a trade for Campbell's contract?

Did you want Snow to go give Kaberle what Carolina did, who traded him as quick as possible and their gm said signing him was a huge mistake?

How about McCabe who no team would touch.

Did you want to bring back Wisniewski for more than what Tavares got front-loaded (do you even understand front-loading contracts?) Ehrhoff got a massive overpayment that Vancouver would not give him and had a terrible season.

I guess the Isles could have given Nystrom the money they gave Pandolfo or brought back Torres at 1m to kick Martin off the team.

Did you want Snow to match what Tampa gave Gervais or Bergeron.

Wang offered over twenty million for Ehrhoff, don't tell me he did not try and spend.

Let's see your plan.
- NYI

You want a plan? How about hiring a reputable hockey person with credibility to run the franchise and make hockey-related decisions instead of Wang doing it himself? How about letting a Stanley Cup winning GM have some time on the job before you s**tcan him for not wanting to be part of some asinine "hockey committee" that no other franchise in professional hockey was modeled after? How about NOT taking your back-up goaltender off the bench and throwing him into the single most important executive position in the organziation with absolutely no experience? How about not gutting your scouting staff and letting good people like Gord Clark go because they had an "opinion"? How about NOT allowing an idiot like Mike Milbury multiple years on the job to continue to destroy a franchise he wrecked before CW bought the team? How about NOT insisting upon having imput in hockey-related decisions when CW had no knowledge of the game? How about NOT giving a friend who happens to be a goaltender, one of the most physically demanding positions in professional sports, a 15 year contract? How about making the finalization of an arena for your team a priority instead of having it be tied to some real estate venture as a throw in, especially when the arena was in shambles from the minute CW bought the team?

Like who in a terrible UFA class? Give me a name for last summer and this one and don't tell me Parise because he going to want 20m-30m for 2012-13 pre lockout money so he don't lose 24 percent of his contract and givebacks like the last CBA.

Did you want Snow to offer an over 35 like Javonovski sixteen milllion dollars for four years or go make a trade for Campbell's contract?

Did you want Snow to go give Kaberle what Carolina did, who traded him as quick as possible and their gm said signing him was a huge mistake?

How about McCabe who no team would touch.

Did you want to bring back Wisniewski for more than what Tavares got front-loaded (do you even understand front-loading contracts?) Ehrhoff got a massive overpayment that Vancouver would not give him and had a terrible season.

I guess the Isles could have given Nystrom the money they gave Pandolfo or brought back Torres at 1m to kick Martin off the team.

Did you want Snow to match what Tampa gave Gervais or Bergeron.

Wang offered over twenty million for Ehrhoff, don't tell me he did not try and spend.

Let's see your plan.
- NYI

I think we're on the same page and a lot of others are just frustrated and unable to sit through another terrible year.

I agree with you regarding the UFA's last year. No point in over spending to that degree, for what was available. The problem was that Snow couldn't find a way to make a deal to fill critical holes in the roster either by signing some useful players or making a trade, so people get angry and irritable. I won't say Wang has done a good job, most of the blame for the mess the franchise is in is due to him either directly, or indirectly (continuing to employ milbury) but we've seen worse owners. The team would already be gone without him, and he has tried to get a new building for the team. For the haters, I'm not excusing him, but these problems wouldn't miraculously go away with a new owner.

I don't see a perfect solution for Snow and with the current situation with the arena and lease, it's only going to get harder to sign decent ufa's. I don't think we're in for a good season until after 2015 but I'm hoping snow will surprise us this offseason.

it's not just that one post that prompted that comment. From ranting about Dee continually to DP, to Snow, to Wang. Everyone's frustrated with the state of the team, but there's only so many times you can post something in an extremely negative manner (when nothing will change)

I cannot for the life of me remember a positive post from you. Ever. Unfortunately, that's solidified my opinion of you. You're an ass. You contribute nothing to a discussion and for you, the sky is always falling. Not interested in responding to you any longer, frankly it's a waste of my time.
- Isles_since_6

Agreed, don't respond to me. You are a little sheep, go chew on some grass. I wll post as I please, don't read my posts. Take care

for the record this is NYI who posted this and not me NYI78 i haven't written that much since college
- NYI78

Your fingers must hurt. My eyes hurt from reading it all. You left out some important information as part of CW's record:

CW has owned the team since 2000. The team has made the playoffs a total of four times in 11 seasons. His teams have finished in the bottom five of the league in six of 11 seasons, the last five in a row.

I can go on and on about the circus-stopping decisions, moves and lack of moves CW has made since he's been owner. I'm not going to beat a dead horse. I love that the young players want to sign long-term deals, but lets face it: they don't have much choice. They're all RFA's for a while anyway. We'll see how bad PAP wants to stay on July 1.

If you think CW has done a good job as owner, more power to you. But I can't sit here and survey the past 10+ years of CW ownership and say he's done a good job. The team's record and reputation since CW arrived has been downright embarassing. If you want proof of it, look no further than the public perception of the team among hockey's media, players and agents.
- Jethro09

Your eyes must hurt from reading the truth.

I left out nothing, you added gossip. innuendo and a perception card created by Dolan's media and a failed former media relations coordinator with a grudge influencing perception.

The players always have a choice, and all of them absolutely believe this will be a championship level team. Campoli wanted out, Snow moved him.

The team's record and reputation since CW arrived has been downright embarrassing? Is that comical after he came in after six years or missing the playoffs with owners who had them flying coach who dropped the payroll to fourteen million dollars and tried to move the team that tried to leverage the cable contract and move Palffy to Msg.

This owner came in, spend 130m dollars on players, settled all Smg litigation, got them a deal with Espn 1050 and they had a forty plus point improvement and sold out close to thirty games and started renovating a building he did not own.

He also honored Trottier, Lafontaine 11/8/2003 and started bringing back alumni and honored them which Pickett never did.

This man took the payroll to 45m dollars with no cap floor. Prove his ELC are different than any other team or no other team had veterans with bonus clauses in their contracts?

Pittsburgh had Richard Park and Asham last year.

Niederreiter was here for the cap, than why not deHaan who has the same ELC and almost made the team three years ago?

Once again Charles Wang paid a lot of players who got hurt after 2007-08. No one was complaining when he signed Hunter or Comrie (at Smyth's advice) or extended Witt early when even he expected them to wait. Sim came here with seventeen goals. Hilbert with some potential.

In fact all I read was Wang better sign Hunter, who after being traded to New Jersey just before the referendum told the NJ paper, he's the only one who was here longer than Wang and he really deserved that it be approved at a time he was about to lose 1/3 his future pay.

Seems Hunter had a ton of respect for the man who's gm just traded him.

Wang did not injure Streit and Okposo.

The Knicks have one playoff win in a decade. You have teams all over the NHL in new buildings that were terrible a lot longer (without injuries) than the Isles including the Kings who missed the playoffs six years in a row.

You want a plan? How about hiring a reputable hockey person with credibility to run the franchise and make hockey-related decisions instead of Wang doing it himself?
- Jethro09

Prove Wang is doing this himself? Between those who claim he's only interested in real-estate (despite agreeing to a lease last summer with no development rights) or an absentee owner he speaks a lot more than any past Islander owner and most current local owners.

How about letting a Stanley Cup winning GM have some time on the job before you s**tcan him for not wanting to be part of some asinine "hockey committee" that no other franchise in professional hockey was modeled after? How about NOT taking your back-up goaltender off the bench and throwing him into the single most important executive position in the organziation with absolutely no experience?
- Jethro09

A lot of gm's are not Stanley Cup winners. former Islanders Howson and Tambellini should teach you that lesson along with the former Islander Montreal just hired.

As for gm you mean like the Flyers when they hired former player Bobby Clark off the ice, or how Dallas tried their own hockey committee so Brett Hull could give Avery 19m while Snow picked Moulson, Streit, Grabner, Roloson and make some fantastic negotiations with Nielsen and MacDonald at 500k/4 years.

Funny how the gm went against the people's choice in Filatov at the draft or was that Wang and son again by your logic, or made the trades to fleece Toronto of Hamonic's selection.

How about not gutting your scouting staff and letting good people like Gord Clark go because they had an "opinion"?
- Jethro09

You mean the same Gord Clark who presided over the drafting of Rupp, Biron, Mezei, Pyatt, Connolly who's 2000/2001 draft classes were terrible. When he got to the Rangers was part of a ton of failed first rounders.

You forgot the part when failed former media relations coordinator was making sure everyone knew Jankowski would not be renewed, the Rangers were quietly dumping 22 year lead scout, Chris Rockstrom while made one Edmonton paper before both signed with the Canadians.

How about NOT allowing an idiot like Mike Milbury multiple years on the job to continue to destroy a franchise he wrecked before CW bought the team?

- Jethro09

Wang and Kumar did not know that, Milbury expected to be fired, they were loyal and after a 30th place finish Milbury had to save his job and produced a playoff team which no one was complaining about at the end of 2002.

How about NOT insisting upon having imput in hockey-related decisions when CW had no knowledge of the game?
- Jethro09

Prove that Wang insisted upon anything in terms of hockey-related decisions beyond no holdouts. Ed Snider is the guy who goes around demanding free agents and forced his gm's to sign Bryzgalov after Snider gave those pathetic front-loaded Comcast/NBC contracts to Richards and Carter who are now playing for a cup because he did not want them on his team.

How about NOT giving a friend who happens to be a goaltender, one of the most physically demanding positions in professional sports, a 15 year contract?

- Jethro09

His friend? Funny Yashin is his friend and even practicing with the club this fall Wang's friend was again not signed. Wang a decade ago listened to the fans who were tired of seeing their players traded after a year so he said let's get some players who will be here for a generation when he could have kept his wallet closed with a 30th place team. DiPietro was a franchise goalie and a top pick who became an all-star and the risk to retire or have insurance pay is on DiPietro. not the Isles cap.

How about making the finalization of an arena for your team a priority instead of having it be tied to some real estate venture as a throw in, especially when the arena was in shambles from the minute CW bought the team?
- Jethro09

He made a winning team a priority, then went to Nassau they said no renovation money, by 2004 he came up with the Lighthouse and brought in developer Rechler, last summer he agreed to a thirty year lease with no development rights while everyone else in NY/NJ got a check or a new arena like Vanderbeek.

He settled all Smg issues and spent millions putting in scoreboards, matrix boards, renovating lockerooms and looks to be doing that again.

You can disagree or throw names but everything I wrote did happen.

Your eyes must hurt from reading the truth.

I left out nothing, you added gossip. innuendo and a perception card created by Dolan's media and a failed former media relations coordinator with a grudge influencing perception.

The players always have a choice, and all of them absolutely believe this will be a championship level team. Campoli wanted out, Snow moved him.

The team's record and reputation since CW arrived has been downright embarrassing? Is that comical after he came in after six years or missing the playoffs with owners who had them flying coach who dropped the payroll to fourteen million dollars and tried to move the team that tried to leverage the cable contract and move Palffy to Msg.

This owner came in, spend 130m dollars on players, settled all Smg litigation, got them a deal with Espn 1050 and they had a forty plus point improvement and sold out close to thirty games and started renovating a building he did not own.

He also honored Trottier, Lafontaine 11/8/2003 and started bringing back alumni and honored them which Pickett never did.

This man took the payroll to 45m dollars with no cap floor. Prove his ELC are different than any other team or no other team had veterans with bonus clauses in their contracts?

Pittsburgh had Richard Park and Asham last year.

Niederreiter was here for the cap, than why not deHaan who has the same ELC and almost made the team three years ago?

Once again Charles Wang paid a lot of players who got hurt after 2007-08. No one was complaining when he signed Hunter or Comrie (at Smyth's advice) or extended Witt early when even he expected them to wait. Sim came here with seventeen goals. Hilbert with some potential.

In fact all I read was Wang better sign Hunter, who after being traded to New Jersey just before the referendum told the NJ paper, he's the only one who was here longer than Wang and he really deserved that it be approved at a time he was about to lose 1/3 his future pay.

Seems Hunter had a ton of respect for the man who's gm just traded him.

Wang did not injure Streit and Okposo.

The Knicks have one playoff win in a decade. You have teams all over the NHL in new buildings that were terrible a lot longer (without injuries) than the Isles including the Kings who missed the playoffs six years in a row.
- NYI

My eye are bleeding!