Thanks for the plug! Seriously, its true. The fish rots from the head. If you want the organization to turn around, it starts at the top. This thread is not meant to be a bashing session on Snow and to criticize what he's done. Its meant to show how poor a job the ownership of this team has been for a long time. .
- Jethro09

--for the guys we are looking for IE the difference makers, im not sure 5-8 year deals are the exception anymore.

--100% agree with second bold comment.


EDIT: i guess my main point is that i just have a hard time pointing the figner at garth simply because i think wang runs the ship and quite simply, what wang wants, wang gets...and if you say otherwise, you can join neil smith...id say 9 of my fingers are pointed at wang, 1 is pointed at snow....
- LetsGoIsles

No, Maybe not anymore. But 3-5 yrs ago?

UIF makes a good point. Seems as soon as Snow took over and announce that no FA's want to sign with us. It happened. We went from mid tier FA's to unknowns (gambles) and guys looking to stay in the league for the most part. Exception. Mark Streit. Zeno Konapka. (who wanted to stay)

As for Wang. He is unfortunately the owner and should get what he wants. The problem is. What he wants is bad for the team and bad for the NHL. He may be a genius in the business world. (or a crook) but as an owner. Well you and I can agree completely on this one.

(for the sake of striking up convo) Finish this sentence:

if the league owned the isles _______
- LetsGoIsles

If the league owned the Isles, Snow wouldn't be GM and Cappy wouldn't be coach. More experienced people would be in those positions, which MAY have helped attract a better brand of UFA to compliment the young core being drafted.

Thanks for the plug! Seriously, its true. The fish rots from the head. If you want the organization to turn around, it starts at the top. This thread is not meant to be a bashing session on Snow and to criticize what he's done. Its meant to show how poor a job the ownership of this team has been for a long time. .
- Jethro09

Sure Jethro, when your right your right. You've had this one pegged from the beginning

The Phoenix sutuation pokes holes in the argument that the Isles' arena situation and potential move is keeping players from signing here. The truth is, Phoenix has been able to build a pretty nice team with the league owning the franchise for the past three years, threats of moving anywhere from back to Winnipeg to Quebec and no indication until very recently that the team is likely staying put. They were able to do it in large part, believe it or not, through stability and respect from the GM position (I know, I can't believe I wrote that about Don Maloney after how badly he butchered the Isles) and through having a very solid and respected coach in Dave Tippett.

With all of the crap swirling around the Coyotes the past few years, they still found a way to run their ship credibily and maintained the respect of those in the hockey community. Phoenix goes out and offers a guy like Ray Whitney a 3-year deal and look how its paid off. Whitney's been great for them. He was willing to sign a three year deal with the Yotes despite the uncertainty of the team's future. Does anyone here think that Whitney would have signed with the Isles for the same contract terms? My guess is "no".
- Jethro09

it's a tough spot. The combination of Wang, Snow, the arena and the lease all together are not an attractive option it seems

this year is a key one. Losing PA at the end of the season for nothing and not being able to sign any ufa's able to contribute would be a big blow for this team. If this offseason looks like last year we're in for a very painful and difficult 2012. I don't see it changing, but I really hope I'm wrong. They need to do something to regain some respectability around the league. Jt is amazing, but he can't do it alone. Snow needs to find a way to add depth and support to this team without giving away the prospects we have and staying within Wang's budget. I don't think I'd want the job.

(for the sake of striking up convo) Finish this sentence:

if the league owned the isles _______
- LetsGoIsles

Kasper would be waiting to ambush Bettman outside of Dunkin Donuts.

(for the sake of striking up convo) Finish this sentence:

if the league owned the isles _______
- LetsGoIsles

The NY Islanders would be a Professional NHL Hockey Organization run by Professional NHL Quality Personnel.

Amateurs need not apply.

The NY Islanders would be a Professional NHL Hockey Organization run by Professional NHL Quality Personnel.

Amateurs need not apply.
- SCLI

so basically we all pretty much again, as jethro puts it, the fish rots at the head....

so basically we all pretty much again, as jethro puts it, the fish rots at the head....
- LetsGoIsles

Absolutely, definitively and precisely.

(for the sake of striking up convo) Finish this sentence:

if the league owned the isles _______
- LetsGoIsles

They would move them out of Nassau county in about 5 minutes.

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on Msg+++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another 11m tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury resigned in 2006.
Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

What a horrible owner for signing everyone he could, when he could have kept his cash in the bank.

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Jack Capuano a year ago got a team eighteen games under five hundred all the way to four games under with 620 man games lost and was hired with Bylsma and just as qualified to win with the right players.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Funny cheapo Wang did another lighthouse tournament flying in kids from all over the world and housing them for a week with no media coverage. The Coliseum hosts the NYC Cops/Fireman game while Bloomberg shows up at Msg to hand the Garden eleven million dollars.

Seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's go sign Souray so he can lose here instead or Dallas, that's what a real gm does.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Incredible gm Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

If Snow were a real gm he would have done that.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

Bottom line he's had very bad luck with injuries, some great decisions and some mistakes.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got big taxpayer money or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings on the Lighthouse, then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no lease because they have their own development plans with Hofstra's Stuart Rabinowicz.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson for Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, buying WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on +++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury was out in 2006 under Wang.

Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Also seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got new buildings or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no new lease.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson with Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, making WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

good lord. please change your user name to chicken little. You'd find a way to complain about winning the lottery.


***EDIT***

let me clarify this. IMO, and only my opinion, I believe Snow has drafted some excellent prospects. I do not necessarily agree with how they have been developed. I think Dehaan and Donovan have been handled properly, playing in bridgeport rather than being thrown into the lineup. I think Nino was handled terribly and was clearly not ready to play in the NHL. If that means another year of juniors despite dominating at that level, so be it. This does not mean drafting players is not a viable option for the team. If they had more depth and talent, perhaps Bailey and Nino wouldn't have had to be rushed. However, I still think drafting players is the only realistic option for this team at this stage.

UFA's won't sign unless they're retreads on their last legs, and trading players before you know what we have is a very dangerous strategy that can easily backfire. In addition to that, not a lot of teams are looking to move established players in their prime for prospects and/or picks, so sometimes that option isn't even available.

It is what it is. You can stomp and pout and scream but at the end of it, both of us will be looking at the same team and one of us will have made an ass of himself. I don't believe it's me. Your opinion may vary.
- Isles_since_6

I made an ass of myself? You are an absolute moron. I am aware of the state of this team, I don't need you to point it out. "pout and scream". I will do as I wish and you can think of me as an ass and I can think of you as a sheep because that's what you are. A little sheep. Thanks captain obvious for the current update on the team.

this is such a tired argument. That team was filled with marginal players that overachieved yet still took a shoot out on the final day of the season to squeak into the playoffs, only to be demolished. Is this our goal as fans? To watch our team just barely make it into the playoffs hoping that the retreads we sign have a career year, knowing that whoever we play in the first round will out us in 4 games?

You may enjoy this, I don't. There was no foundation to build on. There was nothing of use in the farm system. If they'd tried to delay the rebuild and carry on with what they had it would have been embarassing. Please refer to the Calgary Flames. There's a time to let go and start over, and then there's the psychotic ex who continues to stalk you long after the break up, convinced they can make it work if they only got one more chance. Don't be a stalker.
- Isles_since_6

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on +++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury was out in 2006 under Wang.

Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Also seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got new buildings or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no new lease.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson with Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, making WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

charles??? is that you??

this is such a tired argument. That team was filled with marginal players that overachieved yet still took a shoot out on the final day of the season to squeak into the playoffs, only to be demolished. Is this our goal as fans? To watch our team just barely make it into the playoffs hoping that the retreads we sign have a career year, knowing that whoever we play in the first round will out us in 4 games?

You may enjoy this, I don't. There was no foundation to build on. There was nothing of use in the farm system. If they'd tried to delay the rebuild and carry on with what they had it would have been embarassing. Please refer to the Calgary Flames. There's a time to let go and start over, and then there's the psychotic ex who continues to stalk you long after the break up, convinced they can make it work if they only got one more chance. Don't be a stalker.
- Isles_since_6

You have completely brought into the horse shat. Yeah, drafting players is the way to go. No doubt about it. Not solely on it. Oh boy there I go again "screaming and pouting"

charles??? is that you??
- LetsGoIsles

I thought the same thing, or some unfortunate PR rep that had to write that at gunpoint. Criticizing the models of teams that won the friggin' Stanley Cup. Yeah, God forbid we were those teams!

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on +++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury was out in 2006 under Wang.

Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Also seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got new buildings or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no new lease.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson with Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, making WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

Fat Asian kid?

I thought the same thing, or some unfortunate PR rep that had to write that at gunpoint. Criticizing the models of teams that won the friggin' Stanley Cup. Yeah, God forbid we were those teams!
- UIF

maybe hes right, maybe we should give him a pass......

charles, if you cant handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, plenty of other people waiting in line to take over what you cant do....

Sure Jethro, when your right your right. You've had this one pegged from the beginning
- SCLI

He is correct, its not meant to bash Snow but Snow would've never been hired if we had a sane owner to begin with.

Fat Asian kid?
- Cptmjl

saw that one coming....

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on Msg+++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another 11m tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury resigned in 2006.
Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

What a horrible owner for signing everyone he could, when he could have kept his cash in the bank.

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Jack Capuano a year ago got a team eighteen games under five hundred all the way to four games under with 620 man games lost and was hired with Bylsma and just as qualified to win with the right players.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Funny cheapo Wang did another lighthouse tournament flying in kids from all over the world and housing them for a week with no media coverage. The Coliseum hosts the NYC Cops/Fireman game while Bloomberg shows up at Msg to hand the Garden eleven million dollars.

Seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's go sign Souray so he can lose here instead or Dallas, that's what a real gm does.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Incredible gm Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

If Snow were a real gm he would have done that.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

Bottom line he's had very bad luck with injuries, some great decisions and some mistakes.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got big taxpayer money or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings on the Lighthouse, then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no lease because they have their own development plans with Hofstra's Stuart Rabinowicz.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson for Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, buying WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

I stopped reading when he(or she, or it for that matter)started being critical of Chicago for over paying for Huet.

I thought the same thing, or some unfortunate PR rep that had to write that at gunpoint. Criticizing the models of teams that won the friggin' Stanley Cup. Yeah, God forbid we were those teams!
- UIF

I just posted the same thing, "Chicago over paying for Huet"

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on Msg+++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another 11m tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury resigned in 2006.
Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

What a horrible owner for signing everyone he could, when he could have kept his cash in the bank.

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Jack Capuano a year ago got a team eighteen games under five hundred all the way to four games under with 620 man games lost and was hired with Bylsma and just as qualified to win with the right players.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Funny cheapo Wang did another lighthouse tournament flying in kids from all over the world and housing them for a week with no media coverage. The Coliseum hosts the NYC Cops/Fireman game while Bloomberg shows up at Msg to hand the Garden eleven million dollars.

Seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's go sign Souray so he can lose here instead or Dallas, that's what a real gm does.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Incredible gm Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

If Snow were a real gm he would have done that.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

Bottom line he's had very bad luck with injuries, some great decisions and some mistakes.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got big taxpayer money or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings on the Lighthouse, then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no lease because they have their own development plans with Hofstra's Stuart Rabinowicz.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson for Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, buying WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

This HAS to be someone who works for the team, would anyone really be shocked?

I thought the same thing, or some unfortunate PR rep that had to write that at gunpoint.
- UIF

So why did these players all resign, why did they not blast Wang/Snow and demand out.

Nielsen's been here since 2003, this was his chance to be free of Wang's circus, he was in headlines for the Selke and had options, why did he stay and take eleven million dollars?

Comeau was disappointed he could only get one year.

Why did the goalie who refused to report and was tolled for 500k not only sign on a team loaded with prospects, but was thrilled to do so?

Tell me why Tavares did not tell his agent get me out of here right now, instead of signing for six years if Wang and Snow are this bad.

Peca went to Edmonton, he blasted their management, he does now owe Wang anything but all Peca does is praise Charles Wang?