Completely inaccurate. You obviously don't come to these boards too often or else you'd be a bit closer to accurate.

So now its the Fans' fault the team isn't competitive? First it was the politicans, now its the fans? I guess that makes sense, since the Fans have input on who the team hires to run the franchise, who the team drafts, who the team hires to coach, who the team pursues and offers contracts to on the free agent market, etc. Yeah, now that I think about it, its all the fans' fault this team has failed for two decades. Please...

You think that if the NVMC was sold out every night that Kate Murray wouldn't have blocked the Lighthouse? You honestly think that if the arena was sold out every night that Nassau's politicans would have magically come together and put a plan together for a publicly-funded predecessor to NVMC AND that NIFA would have miraculously approved funding for such legislation? Keep dreaming, pal. It must be nice living in Fantasy Land.

Here's some business FACT for you: its not the fans' responsibility to blindly and unconditionally financially support a sports team that gives them nothing in return. Its the team's responsibility to provide an entertainment product worthy of the consumer's dollar BEFORE the consumer invests its dollars into that product. Its the same in all businesses. Businesses aren't "entitled" to consumer monetary support. All businesses must provide products/services worthy of the consumer dollar. The Islanders have not done that for the better part of the past two decades.

When the team was competitive (2001-04), the place was sold out and there wasn't a seat to be had during the playoffs. When the team sucked, the attendance dropped. How you can blame the fans for this team's failures is baffling to me.
- Jethro09

At some point you have to ask yourself is it worth going back and fourth with someone who has Kool Aid in their veins??

At some point you have to ask yourself is it worth going back and fourth with someone who has Kool Aid in their veins??
- Vukota

I just can't help it. I'm slow at work this week and last and I'm just astounded that someone truly believes that Wang is not only a good owner, but a great one that Isles' fans should count their blessings to have.

I just can't help it. I'm slow at work this week and last and I'm just astounded that someone truly believes that Wang is not only a good owner, but a great one that Isles' fans should count their blessings to have.
- Jethro09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24

Completely inaccurate. You obviously don't come to these boards too often or else you'd be a bit closer to accurate.
- Jethro09

Coming to this place would not make anyone accurate.

So now its the Fans' fault the team isn't competitive? First it was the politicans, now its the fans? I guess that makes sense, since the Fans have input on who the team hires to run the franchise, who the team drafts, who the team hires to coach, who the team pursues and offers contracts to on the free agent market, etc. Yeah, now that I think about it, its all the fans' fault this team has failed for two decades. Please...
- Jethro09

John Pickett kept Bill Torrey and Al Arbour and after 1988 you stopped supporting them after winning four cups and did not sell out games until the second round in the 92-93 playoffs. Then you showed up half a season and one playoff in 2001-02 so Wang raised payroll and then the same fair weather fans stopped showing up again because they expect 1975 ticket prices for Yashin's 88m dollar contract or Peca's 20m contract.

You think that if the NVMC was sold out every night that Kate Murray wouldn't have blocked the Lighthouse? You honestly think that if the arena was sold out every night that Nassau's politicans would have magically come together and put a plan together for a publicly-funded predecessor to NVMC AND that NIFA would have miraculously approved funding for such legislation? Keep dreaming, pal. It must be nice living in Fantasy Land....
- Jethro09

I'm glad you finally agree Charles Wang could not win no matter what his team did on the ice when it comes to Nassau County which means he deserves even more credit for signing Tavares and everyone he could long term plus the UFA players who could have left but wanted to be here.

Here's some business FACT for you: its not the fans' responsibility to blindly and unconditionally financially support a sports team that gives them nothing in return. Its the team's responsibility to provide an entertainment product worthy of the consumer's dollar BEFORE the consumer invests its dollars into that product. Its the same in all businesses. Businesses aren't "entitled" to consumer monetary support. All businesses must provide products/services worthy of the consumer dollar. The Islanders have not done that for the better part of the past two decades.
- Jethro09

Here's some business facts for you. There have been a lot of teams in professional sports all in taxpayer funded modern facilities getting a lot more support than Charles Wang's team despite all the money he has spent on free agents.

Ted Leonsis in his taxpayer building receives revenue sharing, Wang does not.

What's next the laughingstock Knicks, Rangers, Nets have been entertaining all those losing years? The Pittsburgh Pirates, Detroit Lions, Kansas City Royals have put out entertaining products.

No fans are as dedicated to staying away than this teams fans, maybe you only show up when it's time to win four cups in a row?

When the team was competitive (2001-04), the place was sold out and there wasn't a seat to be had during the playoffs. When the team sucked, the attendance dropped. How you can blame the fans for this team's failures is baffling to me.
- Jethro09

The building was rarely sold out in 2002-03-04-06 all playoff years and it was not in the bottom five in attendance because of the low capacity.

Once again Atlanta relocated that never won a single thing and outdrew this franchise eight out of ten years. Florida missed the playoffs ten years in a row and outdrew this franchise ten years in a row.

At some point you have to ask yourself is it worth going back and fourth with someone who has Kool Aid in their veins??
- Vukota

As opposed to the kool aid in your veins?

Charles Wang has to deal with Mangano, Murray and another land grab from D'Amato's pals while everyone else got a taxpayer funded building in New York and New Jersey. He's agreed to plans with and without development rights and after spending 20m dollars with Rechler got told no.

Then he agreed to give Tavares over thirty million dollars, with every other player he could sign long-term while trying to give Ehrhoff another big contract.

Oh and once again everyone working for Wang seems to like being part of this team. Is Nabokov and Nielsen drinking the kool-aid too?

Coming to this place would not make anyone accurate.



John Pickett kept Bill Torrey and Al Arbour and after 1988 you stopped supporting them after winning four cups and did not sell out games until the second round in the 92-93 playoffs. Then you showed up half a season and one playoff in 2001-02 so Wang raised payroll and then the same fair weather fans stopped showing up again because they expect 1975 ticket prices for Yashin's 88m dollar contract or Peca's 20m contract.



I'm glad you finally agree Charles Wang could not win no matter what his team did on the ice when it comes to Nassau County which means he deserves even more credit for signing Tavares and everyone he could long term plus the UFA players who could have left but wanted to be here.



Here's some business facts for you. There have been a lot of teams in professional sports all in taxpayer funded modern facilities getting a lot more support than Charles Wang's team despite all the money he has spent on free agents.

Ted Leonsis in his taxpayer building receives revenue sharing, Wang does not.

What's next the laughingstock Knicks, Rangers, Nets have been entertaining all those losing years? The Pittsburgh Pirates, Detroit Lions, Kansas City Royals have put out entertaining products.

No fans are as dedicated to staying away than this teams fans, maybe you only show up when it's time to win four cups in a row?



The building was rarely sold out in 2002-03-04-06 all playoff years and it was not in the bottom five in attendance because of the low capacity.

Once again Atlanta relocated that never won a single thing and outdrew this franchise eight out of ten years. Florida missed the playoffs ten years in a row and outdrew this franchise ten years in a row.
- NYI

Who exactly is "you"? You don't know who I am. How could you possibly know to what lengths I've gone to over the past three decades in following and supporting this team? Please don't presume to know to what extent I have supported this franchise. You have no idea, I assure you.

One of the major reasons why all the teams you cited out-draw the Islanders is because many of those team play in major cities, not in the middle of the suburbs. Atlanta and Maimi are large cities. Nassau County is not. Its why major sports franchises don't crop up in the suburbs anymore.

This will be my last post with you on this board. You believe Wang is a great owner and that if it weren't for the politicans, fans and the Dolan media, the Islanders would be a powerhouse. That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. I am entitled to open my eyes, see reality and disagree with you. I think that if we had an owner who ran the ship better from day one, by putting smart, credible and respected hockey people in place to run this organization from minute one, this team would already be competitve and respected and would likely not be facing an uncertain future past 2015. Good day to you.

As opposed to the kool aid in your veins?

Charles Wang has to deal with Mangano, Murray and another land grab from D'Amato's pals while everyone else got a taxpayer funded building in New York and New Jersey. He's agreed to plans with and without development rights and after spending 20m dollars with Rechler got told no.

Then he agreed to give Tavares over thirty million dollars, with every other player he could sign long-term while trying to give Ehrhoff another big contract.

Oh and once again everyone working for Wang seems to like being part of this team. Is Nabokov and Nielsen drinking the kool-aid too?
- NYI

You're missing the point. Again nobody is saying wang isn't getting screwed or isn't a nice guy. We're talking about results and results only. That's how teams are judged. Everything else is just excuses which you seem to like a lot. You act like if he got everything he asked for he wouldn't be a clueless owner The guy is a disaster, why can't you see that??? He admitted buying the team with no knowledge of hockey at all. Why do you think a new arena would change that? So instead of throwing around 4 or 5 horrible contracts he was only allowed the DP contract because he is losing money. New arena or not he still would have hired a backup goalie on the current roster to be the gm Wake up dude, there is a big difference between being loyal and being loyal with blinders on blocking out most of reality. Sometimes I think you're just pulling our legs for fun because most of the crap you post is comical and no sane person could really believe what you're posting

Who exactly is "you"? You don't know who I am. How could you possibly know to what lengths I've gone to over the past three decades in following and supporting this team? Please don't presume to know to what extent I have supported this franchise. You have no idea, I assure you.
- Jethro09

Did I write you personally? I love how some go there to deflect from the teams overall poor support.

One of the major reasons why all the teams you cited out-draw the Islanders is because many of those team play in major cities, not in the middle of the suburbs. Atlanta and Maimi are large cities. Nassau County is not. Its why major sports franchises don't crop up in the suburbs anymore.
- Jethro09

Here comes another new and improved excuse when we had the Giants move to East Rutherford, almost the Yankees, then the Jets, almost the Rangers in 1982 without their permanent taxpayer handout.

So now by 1989 when Islander fans abandoned Torrey and Arbour it was the location that kept them away for most of 20 years. This sounds like Steinbrenner blaming the neighborhood revisited between convictions.

You believe Wang is a great owner and that if it weren't for the politicans, fans and the Dolan media, the Islanders would be a powerhouse. That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.
- Jethro09

I believe Wang has been treated horrible and completely unfair, unlike many others who said fill the building first, he opened his wallet first and still does.

I believe after hundreds of millions spent on players from Hamrlik to Tavares to our prospects he's kept his word and spent his money above and beyond the political and fan support given to him, he's agreed to any kind of plan without development rights (or a renovation) to keep this franchise here while everyone else got a handout.

He's been loyal to a fault from Milbury to the fans to the politicians to the kids he files in and houses for a week with no publicity, he's not threatened to leave and tried not to make the lease a distraction, perhaps he's been too loyal.

I think that if we had an owner who ran the ship better from day one, by putting smart, credible and respected hockey people in place to run this organization from minute one, this team would already be competitve and respected and would likely not be facing an uncertain future past 2015. Good day to you.
- Jethro09

You are entitled to your opinion, it's my choice to call you out when you contradict yourself when you write on one hand the politicians would not care what the team did on the ice, then blame the location, then write the opposite if they were competitive they would would not be facing an uncertain future past 2015.

Good day to you.

You're missing the point. Again nobody is saying wang isn't getting screwed or isn't a nice guy. We're talking about results and results only. That's how teams are judged. Everything else is just excuses which you seem to like a lot. You act like if he got everything he asked for he wouldn't be a clueless owner The guy is a disaster, why can't you see that??? He admitted buying the team with no knowledge of hockey at all. Why do you think a new arena would change that? So instead of throwing around 4 or 5 horrible contracts he was only allowed the DP contract because he is losing money. New arena or not he still would have hired a backup goalie on the current roster to be the gm Wake up dude, there is a big difference between being loyal and being loyal with blinders on blocking out most of reality. Sometimes I think you're just pulling our legs for fun because most of the crap you post is comical and no sane person could really believe what you're posting
- Vukota

So an owner must have a knowledge of a sport before buying a team? Where do you think Milstein's guy, Steve Gluckstern came from or Mike Santos who's now in Florida and was Milbury's contract person? Steve Ross now owns the Dolphins and was an Islander partner with former deputy mayor Dan Doctoroff.

Funny how Philadelphia (Ed Snider who front-loaded Bryzgalov, Richards and Carter) hired Bob Clark to be gm off the ice or Dallas hired Brett Hull to be co-gm to give Avery 19m dollars? Stop acting like Charles Wang was the first to show everyone the right way before you tell me Howson, Sather and Tambellini are better or Lou Lamoriello coming out of Providence college with no NHL experience was not the same risk?

If DiPietro was the only big contract why give Streit 20m, why give Tavares over 30m, Okposo/Grabner 15m, Nielsen 11m? Why make big offers to Martin, Ehrhoff and who knows?

You're right, you should wake up and there is a big difference between being loyal and being loyal with blinders on blocking out most of reality when a gm makes a great signing in Moulson, Parenteau, adds Grabner, MacDonald, trades for Hamonic's pick and makes what looks like a lot of good signings of prospects he's proven he's a capable gm.

Wang should have hired Burke so he can give Boston two first rounders for Kessel or hired Sutter in Calgary to keep trading for Jokinen. We could have used Yzerman to keep Roloson around with Gervais, Thompson, Wallace and Trevor Smith.

Heck, Wang should have picked Montreal's gm so we could unload prospects for Scott Gomez.

I guess you were calling for Filatov on draft night..............

I think you are the one missing the point, I could care less what kind of person Wang is and have no doubt in business he's a ruthless shark like everyone else.

The results are the team went to four playoffs in six years before a ton of injuries (like no other NHL franchise) killed some seasons while the owner kept spending to lock up the next core plus try and sign some other good players but were not front-loaded.

What's not sane is expecting Wang to call up Mangano, get told nothing happening, then hear Jay Jacobs demand a PSL Coliseum and for Wang to pay for a building he will only rent, then hear all the developers or the clown at Hofstra next door try and move the Coliseum to expand his university then come home and read fans demand he should start front-loading massive player contracts while Bloomberg hands his taxpayer checks to Dolan, Steinbrenner and Wilpon and Cory Booker goes over to Newark to subsidize the Devils bankruptcy in their taxpayer funded building.

The man has been doing this since 2000, unlike Mario he did not sell off his top players with the same Smg that manages the Coliseum, he bailed out another Roy Boe bankruptcy in Bridgeport so the franchise has an AHL home and he's still keeping his mouth shut when many others before him said that's enough.

Why don't you go look at the funding the Barclay's center.

So an owner must have a knowledge of a sport before buying a team? Where do you think Milstein's guy, Steve Gluckstern came from or Mike Santos who's now in Florida and was Milbury's contract person? Steve Ross now owns the Dolphins and was an Islander partner with former deputy mayor Dan Doctoroff.

Funny how Philadelphia (Ed Snider who front-loaded Bryzgalov, Richards and Carter) hired Bob Clark to be gm off the ice or Dallas hired Brett Hull to be co-gm to give Avery 19m dollars? Stop acting like Charles Wang was the first to show everyone the right way before you tell me Howson, Sather and Tambellini are better or Lou Lamoriello coming out of Providence college with no NHL experience was not the same risk?

If DiPietro was the only big contract why give Streit 20m, why give Tavares over 30m, Okposo/Grabner 15m, Nielsen 11m? Why make big offers to Martin, Ehrhoff and who knows?

You're right, you should wake up and there is a big difference between being loyal and being loyal with blinders on blocking out most of reality when a gm makes a great signing in Moulson, Parenteau, adds Grabner, MacDonald, trades for Hamonic's pick and makes what looks like a lot of good signings of prospects he's proven he's a capable gm.

Wang should have hired Burke so he can give Boston two first rounders for Kessel or hired Sutter in Calgary to keep trading for Jokinen. We could have used Yzerman to keep Roloson around with Gervais, Thompson, Wallace and Trevor Smith.

Heck, Wang should have picked Montreal's gm so we could unload prospects for Scott Gomez.

I guess you were calling for Filatov on draft night..............

I think you are the one missing the point, I could care less what kind of person Wang is and have no doubt in business he's a ruthless shark like everyone else.

The results are the team went to four playoffs in six years before a ton of injuries (like no other NHL franchise) killed some seasons while the owner kept spending to lock up the next core plus try and sign some other good players but were not front-loaded.

What's not sane is expecting Wang to call up Mangano, get told nothing happening, then hear Jay Jacobs demand a PSL Coliseum and for Wang to pay for a building he will only rent, then hear all the developers or the clown at Hofstra next door try and move the Coliseum to expand his university then come home and read fans demand he should start front-loading massive player contracts while Bloomberg hands his taxpayer checks to Dolan, Steinbrenner and Wilpon and Cory Booker goes over to Newark to subsidize the Devils bankruptcy in their taxpayer funded building.

The man has been doing this since 2000, unlike Mario he did not sell off his top players with the same Smg that manages the Coliseum, he bailed out another Roy Boe bankruptcy in Bridgeport so the franchise has an AHL home and he's still keeping his mouth shut when many others before him said that's enough.

Why don't you go look at the funding the Barclay's center.
- NYI

I can't do this anymore. You're right and everybody else is wrong. Wang is the man. Thank God the Islanders have Wang & Snow to run things. You've posted all those accomplishments you know like signing your own players and offering other UFA's contracts that there was no proof of except what you read on line Bragging about signing your own draft picks is like a garbage man bragging that he picked up all the cans on his route. Its just one excuse after another with you. Posting they made the playoffs 4 out of 6 years, with 3 of those being the 8th seed and none of them advancing. When half the teams make the playoffs and you squeak in as the 8th that's nothing to stick your chest out about. Thank god there are suckers out there like you who soak up the crap they are feeding. Sorry after 20 plus years of embarrassing themselves I'm too full to swallow anymore. Do you ever get dizzy from all the spinning you're doing?

I can't do this anymore. You're right and everybody else is wrong. Wang is the man. Thank God the Islanders have Wang & Snow to run things.
- Vukota

Works for me. Thank god, someone is still trying. Perhaps you failed to notice the line of potential owners for twenty years have not been very long.

You've posted all those accomplishments you know like signing your own players and offering other UFA's contracts that there was no proof of except what you read on line
- Vukota

Forgive me, but resigning Trevor Gillies is not an accomplishment, resigning John Tavares for six years is, along with five for Okposo, Grabner and Nielsen over four years. What I read from Ehrhoff about the Isles offer being great came out of his mouth, what I read about Paul Martin came from his agent's mouth. What I read about Ryan Smyth calling Comrie to sign here came out of Smyth's mouth.

What I read about all the players (and former players) who have been here since 2000 praising Charles Wang's ownership is their comments. When Hunter got traded he decided to praise Wang all by himself, same as Osgood, Peca, Jonsson and Yashin when he's working out here and still is told no when his agent talks NHL comeback.

Posting they made the playoffs 4 out of 6 years, with 3 of those being the 8th seed and none of them advancing. When half the teams make the playoffs and you squeak in as the 8th that's nothing to stick your chest out about.
- Vukota

Your absolutely right, it's mediocre at best, but a lot of other NHL teams did far worse for longer in taxpayer funded new buildings and this franchise was doing far worse before this owner, but those franchises got more fan support than this one.

Thank god there are suckers out there like you who soak up the crap they are feeding. Sorry after 20 plus years of embarrassing themselves I'm too full to swallow anymore. Do you ever get dizzy from all the spinning you're doing?
- Vukota

The only thing you cannot swallow is the truth. That there have been many teams far worse in all sports and all of them are getting better fans and local government support in new or renovated buildings than Charles Wang, who's the only one renovating his landlords building and being told pay for everything himself while people like you demand 60m dollar payrolls and 1975 ticket prices.

Snow's 6th place team in the East in 2006-07 traded for Smyth, 12,500 people showed up to see his debut. You're the best at excuses.

What happened today? Has everyone finally punched themselves into exhaustion on this thread?

Works for me. Thank god, someone is still trying. Perhaps you failed to notice the line of potential owners for twenty years have not been very long

I've noticed. It doesn't have to be talked about here we all know about the long line of bad owners in the last 25 years

Forgive me, but resigning Trevor Gillies is not an accomplishment, resigning John Tavares for six years is, along with five for Okposo, Grabner and Nielsen over four years. What I read from Ehrhoff about the Isles offer being great came out of his mouth, what I read about Paul Martin came from his agent's mouth. What I read about Ryan Smyth calling Comrie to sign here came out of Smyth's mouth.

Again you're suppose to sign your own guys especially when you hold all the bargaining power at their stages of their career.


What I read about all the players (and former players) who have been here since 2000 praising Charles Wang's ownership is their comments. When Hunter got traded he decided to praise Wang all by himself, same as Osgood, Peca, Jonsson and Yashin when he's working out here and still is told no when his agent talks NHL comeback.

Again I don't give a shat if players like playing for Wang, its about results and so far they have done nothing but lose or get bounced in the 1st rd. Plus pay me millions and I'll tell you how great Satan is..


Your absolutely right, it's mediocre at best, but a lot of other NHL teams did far worse for longer in taxpayer funded new buildings and this franchise was doing far worse before this owner, but those franchises got more fan support than this one.

I don't care about other franchises. I care about the Islanders. Its irrelevant as to what other teams do or don't do.

The only thing you cannot swallow is the truth. That there have been many teams far worse in all sports and all of them are getting better fans and local government support in new or renovated buildings than Charles Wang, who's the only one renovating his landlords building and being told pay for everything himself while people like you demand 60m dollar payrolls and 1975 ticket prices


I agree with you that wang is getting a raw deal with the arena, still doesn't change the fact he is a disaster as owner. I don't need a 60 million dollar payroll but if I'm paying good money for tix then I expect them to field a competitive team and not put in BS bonus numbers that will never be attained to just get to the bottom of the cap floor with a bunch of inexperienced kids and over the hill vets..

Snow's 6th place team in the East in 2006-07 traded for Smyth, 12,500 people showed up to see his debut. You're the best at excuses


It was Ryan Smyth not Mike Bossy and if you think after 20 years of losing they go out and get a player who is just past his prime years that all of a sudden the fans are gonna flock to the games and getting 12,500 on a weeknight against a shatty St. Louis Blues teams is not a bad number since the isles haven't been irrelevant in 25 years. If the Islanders put a good product on the ice the fans show up, period. I don't want to hear about this wasn't sold out or that wasn't sold out. I'm still laughing that you're blaming the fans and not wang for the Islanders problems. This will be the last time I respond to you so get one more novel length post in filled with excuses and other points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand

Again you're suppose to sign your own guys especially when you hold all the bargaining power at their stages of their career.

These players signed past their UFA date for six years or five years, Nielsen was approaching UFA and signed for another four years.

Again I don't give a shat if players like playing for Wang, its about results and so far they have done nothing but lose or get bounced in the 1st rd. Plus pay me millions and I'll tell you how great Satan is..

You can't have it both ways, if Wang was the disaster you claim they would not like playing for him and not sign under any circumstances because he would cost them money or any chance at winning.

don't care about other franchises. I care about the Islanders. Its irrelevant as to what other teams do or don't do.

I'm sorry but life does not work that way when every other team receives big taxpayer money with brand new buildings while this one does not when you expect him to spend like those franchises which he repeatedly does with this horrible lease while Mario with his Smg lease gave away players. You cannot play the I don't care about anyone else, too bad for Charles Wang, just go spend even more or I will not go.

I agree with you that wang is getting a raw deal with the arena, still doesn't change the fact he is a disaster as owner. I don't need a 60 million dollar payroll but if I'm paying good money for tix then I expect them to field a competitive team and not put in BS bonus numbers that will never be attained to just get to the bottom of the cap floor with a bunch of inexperienced kids and over the hill vets..

Wang is a fantastic owner putting hundreds of millions into this with no support from the fans or the politicians after spending 20m on one project because Nassau was too broke to replace it's own building like everyone else did. He was spending 45m a year before this league had any salary floor. The last five years have seen three decimated by injury like no other team.

They are putting in BS bonus numbers? Where, who? The Islanders entry level contracts to it's prospects are the same as every other team. The Isles are not the only team to ever give out incentive contracts to older veterans.

By your logic Hamonic should not have gotten a chance because he's inexperienced, but then we would read why doesn't deHaan after three years get his chance? Ever think they just call up the players they believe are most ready because someone knew what they were doing with Moulson and Parenteau, Grabner and MacDonald.

It was Ryan Smyth not Mike Bossy and if you think after 20 years of losing they go out and get a player who is just past his prime years that all of a sudden the fans are gonna flock to the games and getting 12,500 on a weeknight against a shatty St. Louis Blues teams is not a bad number since the isles haven't been irrelevant in 25 years. If the Islanders put a good product on the ice the fans show up, period. I don't want to hear about this wasn't sold out or that wasn't sold out. I'm still laughing that you're blaming the fans and not wang for the Islanders problems. This will be the last time I respond to you so get one more novel length post in filled with excuses and other points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand

So the Isles have to trade for another Mike Bossy? There was only one.
They were in sixth place going for their fourth playoff in six years since 2002, but only here that means irrelevant in 25 years, by that logic every team in the NHL and pro sports unless they are a dynasty are irrelevant and do not deserve any fan support.

Wang was not here when the fans stopped showing up, the fans did not show up when Wang put a good product on the ice, and you will not support a youth movement even when Tavares has 81 points. You stayed home for 92-93, Luongo, Tavares and whoever else.

You got that act down pat.

You don't want to hear about anything besides a max payroll, a first place team at 1975 ticket prices. You can bet like before Wang was here every potential owner sees the same thing and knows they cannot buy this franchise.

Your eyes must hurt from reading the truth.

I left out nothing, you added gossip. innuendo and a perception card created by Dolan's media and a failed former media relations coordinator with a grudge influencing perception.

The players always have a choice, and all of them absolutely believe this will be a championship level team. Campoli wanted out, Snow moved him.

The team's record and reputation since CW arrived has been downright embarrassing? Is that comical after he came in after six years or missing the playoffs with owners who had them flying coach who dropped the payroll to fourteen million dollars and tried to move the team that tried to leverage the cable contract and move Palffy to Msg.

This owner came in, spend 130m dollars on players, settled all Smg litigation, got them a deal with Espn 1050 and they had a forty plus point improvement and sold out close to thirty games and started renovating a building he did not own.

He also honored Trottier, Lafontaine 11/8/2003 and started bringing back alumni and honored them which Pickett never did.

This man took the payroll to 45m dollars with no cap floor. Prove his ELC are different than any other team or no other team had veterans with bonus clauses in their contracts?

Pittsburgh had Richard Park and Asham last year.

Niederreiter was here for the cap, than why not deHaan who has the same ELC and almost made the team three years ago?

Once again Charles Wang paid a lot of players who got hurt after 2007-08. No one was complaining when he signed Hunter or Comrie (at Smyth's advice) or extended Witt early when even he expected them to wait. Sim came here with seventeen goals. Hilbert with some potential.

In fact all I read was Wang better sign Hunter, who after being traded to New Jersey just before the referendum told the NJ paper, he's the only one who was here longer than Wang and he really deserved that it be approved at a time he was about to lose 1/3 his future pay.

Seems Hunter had a ton of respect for the man who's gm just traded him.

Wang did not injure Streit and Okposo.

The Knicks have one playoff win in a decade. You have teams all over the NHL in new buildings that were terrible a lot longer (without injuries) than the Isles including the Kings who missed the playoffs six years in a row.
- NYI

i'm coming in very late here but NYI is accurate.

Charles Wang has gone from billionaire to not a billionaire thanks to the Islanders. Though I will blame him for keeping Milbury way too long, he did come in spending. Though I did believe in the LHP, he did have a poor structure and refused to negotiate. But he is not to blame for the state of Nassau or fact they cannot do anything these days, and he has been behind Garth and the rebuild.... which are on right track despite fan impatience.

BD

oops...nevermind... all you all did was argue for like 300 pages on what I just said.

I miss having commenters.

I miss having commenters.
- B.D. Gallof

does BD really stand for what ive heard it does?

does BD really stand for what ive heard it does?
- Crimsoninja

Big Dork?


it stands for Brian Daniel actually.

Big Dork?


it stands for Brian Daniel actually.


- B.D. Gallof

YES! YES! YES! Oh thats Danial Brian.