Oh geez, you're going to start with this shat? "racist and derogatory". The kid is fat and he is most certainly Asian. Get over it.
- Cptmjl

I didnt say me.. im saying in general.


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XxNYIxX

Sorry......D'Amato and company submitted their development to Nassau months before Wang and Kumar but Nassau/TOH and Smg had all had to approve even with D'Amato in bed with Smg.

Funny how billion dollar developer Milstein needed three months to see no development plan would be approved and cut the payroll to nothing so the full time chairman of CA who to date has never developed anything in Plainville and Kumar who said at the press conference " we are not real estate developers " were going to run CA, the Islanders and do this development.

You do realize many RFP's were put out and before that Nassau got zero responses on the Coliseum.

To say nothing of the hundred thirty million Wang never had to spend on one player if he did not have a guarantee of a development.



You did a nice job there skipping over five years of no development plan, Wang saying no public bond, Nassau telling Wang they were broke and Wang also trying to buy the Nets.

You even skipped over it becoming an RFP under Suozzi with even the Mets bidding. I even found the Mets Lighthouse plan from 2005:

http://www.nassaucountyny...rlingPresentationRev2.pdf

Of course not one word on billionaire Rechler who is a developer coming in after 2004 for a Lighthouse renovation, was that in Wang's grand 2000 plan for a land grab too as his payroll rose to 45m?



I'm well aware of this, however the framework is there for an agreement based on that revenue split.



Wang did exactly what he said at that press conference, if a committee did not work they would go back to the old format and that's exactly what happened.



Everything counts, but other teams have not had Snow's success in identifying talent. Snow's had a ton of man games lost to injury in three of five years leading the NHL. Snow's also done a ton of smart contracts, and his clunkers and is above par vs many of his counterparts.




Give me a break with Clark, he was part of the draft team that picked before us and passed on Parise, they took Montoya 6th overall. Before this year they made one more playoff than the Isles and got that backing in last year as Tampa beat Carolina the final night and they can move front-loaded failures like Gomez once they got the bulk of the cash or hide Redden/Avery in the NHL to go front-load Richard or Drury with Cablevision cash.



Funny, but many fans rhetoric he had that already and still does so by that logic he never needed a committee.



The damage was a 44 point improvement, a packed house and no one complaining at the time which is why you should learn from history and not demand this gm revisit that.

Funny how in 2006-07 Snow took a team in sixth place and traded Milbury's core for Smyth to take a run at a cup? How many people showed up for that first game against St Louis? 12,500.
- NYI

"Funny how in 2006-07 Snow took a team in sxth place and traded Milbury's core for Smyth to take a run at a cup?"

Maybe you should stop believing the man who used to defend Milbury so much.
http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=464195
BLOG: The Final Countdown
Friday, 04.07.2006 / 12:00 AM / News
Chris Botta

As for this notion the press loves to invent that Mike having a meeting creates the perception he will still be the de facto GM next season, just shut up already. This media myth certainly hasn't shortened the line wrapped around the Coliseum of qualified candidates begging for consideration. And during which part of the Jan. 12 press conference was Charles Wang unclear when he said the owner will choose the new GM? Or the part when he said the new GM will report directly to the owner? It's time a few reporters let their infatuation with Mike go. Maybe they have created this illusion because they'll miss him too much.

Alan's article in Monday's paper was disappointing. The space allotted by Long Island's newspaper for Long Island's only major professional sports team has been embarrassingly weak this season. Newsday's sports section gave up on the Islanders weeks before DiPietro and the rest of the team did. The Islanders were a nice story in March and had a lot of people talking around the league. Too bad Newsday buried it. Now all of a sudden Mike calls a meeting, the editors give Alan a full page and he uses it to take easy cheap shots because the home team lost.

Worst of all is that the story was unfair to the organization and to Milbury. In my opinion, Mike has been first-class since he stepped down on January 12. There's no doubt he could have made a desperate move or two and maybe end his tenure as GM with four straight playoff appearances. (I've seen other GMs do it for years. In fact, you can make the case that at least one did it this March 9). It would have been so easy for Mike to trade a few prospects, knowing that he was leaving the position and it would have been his successor's problem, not his. But Milbury refused to do anything that would hurt the future of the franchise.

On top of that, he made one of the best deals at the trade deadline, getting two key pieces for the nucleus from LA. He also stockpiled draft picks for Tony Feltrin and created a boatload of cap space for the next GM, who will inherit one of the game's best cores of young players because Milbury's staff drafted well and the GM held on to his prospects the last few years as ownership was solidified. What a selfish son of a gun Milbury is.

Look, it didn't go as planned this year. Everyone knows that. My very uneducated outside view is that the Islanders lost two very good defensemen to free agency in the new NHL and one great one to retirement, and never quite recovered. The good news is the Islanders have the players, the resources and most importantly the owner to get back into contention as early as next season.

So Mike Milbury watches a bad loss on Friday, becomes concerned about the effect these final games could have on Nilsson, Bergenheim and company and does something about it.

If you don't appreciate what Milbury did, you don't care about the Islanders.
- NYI

I sincerely hope you don't believe a word of this sentence?

I didnt say me.. im saying in general.


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XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

If anyone thinks that is racist or derogatory they are going to have a real rough life, I for one will enjoy making their life rougher.

[quote=Jethro09]
That for me was the post of the night, loved that.

Like who in a terrible UFA class? Give me a name for last summer and this one and don't tell me Parise because he going to want 20m-30m for 2012-13 pre lockout money so he don't lose 24 percent of his contract and givebacks like the last CBA.

Did you want Snow to offer an over 35 like Javonovski sixteen milllion dollars for four years or go make a trade for Campbell's contract?

Did you want Snow to go give Kaberle what Carolina did, who traded him as quick as possible and their gm said signing him was a huge mistake?

How about McCabe who no team would touch.

Did you want to bring back Wisniewski for more than what Tavares got front-loaded (do you even understand front-loading contracts?) Ehrhoff got a massive overpayment that Vancouver would not give him and had a terrible season.

I guess the Isles could have given Nystrom the money they gave Pandolfo or brought back Torres at 1m to kick Martin off the team.

Did you want Snow to match what Tampa gave Gervais or Bergeron.

Wang offered over twenty million for Ehrhoff, don't tell me he did not try and spend.

Let's see your plan.
- NYI

My plan? I have no idea how to run or manage an NHL team. I have no idea how to make movies either, but I can sure tell you when one has a horrible plot and bad acting. I don't know how to make pizza from scratch, but I can tell if it's made well or not. I don't have to be able to build a hockey team to know that the one I root for that has been floundering for decades may not be the best run or managed organization in the league.

Occam's Razor, man...is it more likely that the Islanders have been bad for all this time because of Newsday/Botta/MSG/politics/arenas/Bloomberg/injuries/misinformation/bad luck, or because the people running it simply haven't built good teams?

You've been pointing out isolated bad moves by teams that recently won the Stanley Cup and comparing it to a few decent moves the Isles have made and trying to make a point based on that. Let's be realistic here and not lose the big picture by focusing on a few scattered details. Those other teams win more. Charles Wang, for all his supposed genius, has not managed to find the right people to win a single playoff round in a dozen years of owning the team.

The media people like Botta that you blame wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the team ever just won and shut them up. I've been waiting to throw it in the doubters' faces for more years than I can count. The glorious payoff for putting up with all the nonsense. But at some point, you have to cut the stubbornness and acknowledge that the doubters are right. No spin you put on it will change the team's horrid record, even if Garth Snow managed to somehow pull the NHL move of the century by re-signing Frans Nielsen.

You're complaining about Dolan-owned Newsday's coverage of the Islanders...does Dolan own the New York Times, the Post and the Daily News, too? Does he own every hockey media site, publication and sports radio station? Because all of them either ignore or trash this team as well.

The team has played itself into irrelevancy. Even if Dolan did have this major axe to grind with the Islanders, he wouldn't have to devise these elaborate conspiracies to hide coverage of them. Most people don't care about the Islanders because there are more exciting teams even in the same sport to root for in the area.

We few idiots arguing with each other here about whether our 2nd round draft picks made in even years when the moon was full were better than the Rangers, while the other local teams fight to go the Cup finals, are the only ones left who care, and most of us are pissed.

If the person in charge of creating this reality is a model owner to you, then we're starting from way too far apart probably to ever find any common ground. We would likely just write absurdly long posts back and forth until we die.

I have to say, though, if your posts have been one giant troll, then I tip my hat to you, sir. It's been a legendary one.

Double post -- and no one needs to read all that twice!

If anyone thinks that is racist or derogatory they are going to have a real rough life, I for one will enjoy making their life rougher.
- Cptmjl

should look up the definition of both words before you get all butt hurt that someone would get offended

XxNYIxX

My plan? I have no idea how to run or manage an NHL team. I have no idea how to make movies either, but I can sure tell you when one has a horrible plot and bad acting. I don't know how to make pizza from scratch, but I can tell if it's made well or not. I don't have to be able to build a hockey team to know that the one I root for that has been floundering for decades may not be the best run or managed organization in the league.

Occam's Razor, man...is it more likely that the Islanders have been bad for all this time because of Newsday/Botta/MSG/politics/arenas/Bloomberg/injuries/misinformation/bad luck, or because the people running it simply haven't built good teams?

You've been pointing out isolated bad moves by teams that recently won the Stanley Cup and comparing it to a few decent moves the Isles have made and trying to make a point based on that. Let's be realistic here and not lose the big picture by focusing on a few scattered details. Those other teams win more. Charles Wang, for all his supposed genius, has not managed to find the right people to win a single playoff round in a dozen years of owning the team. Even Florida, who you laughed off as being bad for the last 10 years, managed to accomplish that.

The media people like Botta that you blame wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the team ever just won and shut them up. I've been waiting to throw it in the doubters' faces for more years than I can count. The glorious payoff for putting up with all the nonsense. But at some point, you have to cut the stubbornness and acknowledge that the doubters are right. No spin you put it will change the team's horrid record, even if Garth Snow managed to somehow pull the NHL move of the century by re-signing Frans Nielsen.

You're complaining about Dolan-owned Newsday's coverage of the Islanders...does Dolan own the New York Times, the Post and the Daily News, too? Does he own every hockey media site, publication and sports radio station? Because all of them either ignore or trash this team as well.

The team has played itself into irrelevancy. Even if Dolan did have this major axe to grind with the Islanders, he wouldn't have to devise these elaborate conspiracies to hide coverage of them. Most people don't care about the Islanders because there are more exciting teams even in the same sport to root for in the area.

We few idiots arguing with each other here about whether our 2nd round draft picks made in even years when the moon was full were better than the Rangers, while the other local teams fight to go the Cup finals, are the only ones left who care, and most of us are pissed.

If the person in charge of creating this reality is a model owner to you, then we're starting from way too far apart probably to ever find any common ground. We would likely just write absurdly long posts back and forth until we die.

I have to say, though, if your posts have been one giant troll, then I tip my hat to you, sir. It's been a legendary one.
- UIF

Well said. I was honestly beginning to wonder whether this guy was trolling after the last Milbury comment(amongst others). I can't imagine how anyone can question you being a fan if you don't believe MM's body of work was positive? It is funny though, crazy but really funny

should look up the definition of both words before you get all butt hurt that someone would get offended

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Oh, I'm not butt hurt. Pretty sure I know what Asian and Fat mean? If you're fat and unhappy about it, go to the gym and do something about it. If you're offended you are probably unhappy. Get your fat ass up and diet/workout. If you're Asian, great. Good for you. Theres nothing racist about any of this, if anyone wants to spin it into a "racist comment" and they are offended I say go ahead and be offended. When you say "butt hurt" what are you trying to say??? I'm sure I can spin some politically correct nonsense out of this statement?

Occam's Razor, man...is it more likely that the Islanders have been bad for all this time because of Newsday/Botta/MSG/politics/arenas/Bloomberg/injuries/misinformation/bad luck, or because the people running it simply haven't built good teams?
- UIF

By that logic the Knicks with one playoff win in ten years would be gone and the Rangers many times during their eight year disgrace and one cup in seventy years but still wave the pom poms for the ad bucks from the Knicks.

This franchise since 2007-08 has had a ton of injuries like no other franchise, last summer some decisions set them back with other ineffective returning players.

Doug Weight last year I would love to see this team healthy for three months, sometimes teams don't have injuries and are bad, some we never get to see the best version of the team.

You've been pointing out isolated bad moves by teams that recently won the Stanley Cup and comparing it to a few decent moves the Isles have made and trying to make a point based on that. Let's be realistic here and not lose the big picture by focusing on a few scattered details. Those other teams win more. Charles Wang, for all his supposed genius, has not managed to find the right people to win a single playoff round in a dozen years of owning the team.

- UIF

Timeout. Those other teams that eventually won the cup were terrible when the Isles were a playoff team four years out of five years. Pittsburgh was playing in front of 10,000 people and unlike Wang with the same Smg managing the Igloo/Melon that manages the Coliseum was selling Jagr to Washington and Kovalev to the Rangers. The Isles beat Chicago 9-2 with Yashin scoring four goals.

Last I looked no one would be throwing a parade after 2002 if they won game seven in Toronto and lost to Ottawa.

The media people like Botta that you blame wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the team ever just won and shut them up. I've been waiting to throw it in the doubters' faces for more years than I can count. The glorious payoff for putting up with all the nonsense. But at some point, you have to cut the stubbornness and acknowledge that the doubters are right. No spin you put it will change the team's horrid record, even if Garth Snow managed to somehow pull the NHL move of the century by re-signing Frans Nielsen.

You're complaining about Dolan-owned Newsday's coverage of the Islanders...does Dolan own the New York Times, the Post and the Daily News, too? Does he own every hockey media site, publication and sports radio station? Because all of them either ignore or trash this team as well.

The team has played itself into irrelevancy. Even if Dolan did have this major axe to grind with the Islanders, he wouldn't have to devise these elaborate conspiracies to hide coverage of them. Most people don't care about the Islanders because there are more exciting teams even in the same sport to root for in the area.
- UIF

Like the Knicks? You cannot defend biased coverage of one team you are claiming is bad without the same standard for all and you cannot defend outlets broke who don't cover the Devils much either and need Dolan's Knick ad money.

What elaborate conspiracies? According to failed former media relations coordinator they would not even give the Isles the Metro Ice challenge money and declared themselves the winner? Media outlets reporting Dolan's sports coverage is biased for his team's like so many report about his Msg coverage?

What's next Charles Wang fired Marv Albert.

This team has had a horrid record with all the injuries, in the last ten years so has Edmonton, Los Angeles, Florida, Phoenix, Columbus and many NHL franchises who never got the media beating this team did because the Isles have Dolan's media and Botta's grudge from a distance who takes that to fringe outlets. The Leafs media may hate their team and blast them, but they also sell the product in a positive light too.

That's the difference. Tavares wins player of the month, Dolan's media does not write one feature, same on Moulson's 30 goals.

Someone pulled a Botta up there the other writers would eat them alive despite not going to a playoff since 03-04 and getting beaten out by the Isles in 06-07. The Isles beat them head to head that last week too.

If the person in charge of creating this reality is a model owner to you, then we're starting from way too far apart probably to ever find any common ground. We would likely just write absurdly long posts back and forth until we die..
- UIF

Never said Wang was a model owner, just a fair accounting of what's he's done on and off the ice and how he keeps spending and trying. He's done his part whether it works out or not since 2000.

By that logic the Knicks with one playoff win in ten years would be gone and the Rangers many times during their eight year disgrace and one cup in seventy years but still wave the pom poms for the ad bucks from the Knicks.

This franchise since 2007-08 has had a ton of injuries like no other franchise, last summer some decisions set them back with other ineffective returning players.

Doug Weight last year I would love to see this team healthy for three months, sometimes teams don't have injuries and are bad, some we never get to see the best version of the team.



Timeout. Those other teams that eventually won the cup were terrible when the Isles were a playoff team four years out of five years. Pittsburgh was playing in front of 10,000 people and unlike Wang with the same Smg managing the Igloo/Melon that manages the Coliseum was selling Jagr to Washington and Kovalev to the Rangers. The Isles beat Chicago 9-2 with Yashin scoring four goals.

Last I looked no one would be throwing a parade after 2002 if they won game seven in Toronto and lost to Ottawa.



Like the Knicks? You cannot defend biased coverage of one team you are claiming is bad without the same standard for all and you cannot defend outlets broke who don't cover the Devils much either and need Dolan's Knick ad money.

What elaborate conspiracies? According to failed former media relations coordinator they would not even give the Isles the Metro Ice challenge money and declared themselves the winner? Media outlets reporting Dolan's sports coverage is biased for his team's like so many report about his Msg coverage?

What's next Charles Wang fired Marv Albert.

This team has had a horrid record with all the injuries, in the last ten years so has Edmonton, Los Angeles, Florida, Phoenix, Columbus and many NHL franchises who never got the media beating this team did because the Isles have Dolan's media and Botta's grudge from a distance who takes that to fringe outlets. The Leafs media may hate their team and blast them, but they also sell the product in a positive light too.

That's the difference. Tavares wins player of the month, Dolan's media does not write one feature, same on Moulson's 30 goals.

Someone pulled a Botta up there the other writers would eat them alive despite not going to a playoff since 03-04 and getting beaten out by the Isles in 06-07. The Isles beat them head to head that last week too.



Never said Wang was a model owner, just a fair accounting of what's he's done on and off the ice and how he keeps spending and trying. He's done his part whether it works out or not since 2000.
- NYI

Wang is not trying and stated as such, he did then stopped. You are reaching, injuries, Dolan, Rangers, Botta, Canadian media. the whole world is against the Islanders and Wang. Stop, I can't even imagine you believe this crap? I actually agree with you on Snow having more control than people on here want to believe but that doesn't even help your point(s). There is one thing that is a fact, this team sucks. Plain and simple. They were competitive for one year under his ownership and never while Snow was GM. If you want to believe that they were when they traded for Smyth and made it into the playoffs by some miracle and Jupiter being in line with Saturn than good for you. Those are facts, this team sucks and will be for the foreseeable future. That is not my idea of a great owner or GM, I don't care what Pittsburgh did or Washington or Chicago(funny how you were discrediting them earlier and now using them as a positive comparison, you'll fit in perfect here). This team sucks, has for far too long. Anyone who is still a fan of this team deserves an award no matter what their view is(including yourself). Wang has done nothing to deserve respect from the fans, if you're argument is he kept the team here save it. Alot of people would rather them move and succeed then see them in this state or mismanaged. They are an embarassment. Unfortunately that's what it's come to for alot of fans. Why am i replying to this? This has got to be a joke

By that logic the Knicks with one playoff win in ten years would be gone and the Rangers many times during their eight year disgrace and one cup in seventy years but still wave the pom poms for the ad bucks from the Knicks.

This franchise since 2007-08 has had a ton of injuries like no other franchise, last summer some decisions set them back with other ineffective returning players.

Doug Weight last year I would love to see this team healthy for three months, sometimes teams don't have injuries and are bad, some we never get to see the best version of the team.



Timeout. Those other teams that eventually won the cup were terrible when the Isles were a playoff team four years out of five years. Pittsburgh was playing in front of 10,000 people and unlike Wang with the same Smg managing the Igloo/Melon that manages the Coliseum was selling Jagr to Washington and Kovalev to the Rangers. The Isles beat Chicago 9-2 with Yashin scoring four goals.

Last I looked no one would be throwing a parade after 2002 if they won game seven in Toronto and lost to Ottawa.



Like the Knicks? You cannot defend biased coverage of one team you are claiming is bad without the same standard for all and you cannot defend outlets broke who don't cover the Devils much either and need Dolan's Knick ad money.

What elaborate conspiracies? According to failed former media relations coordinator they would not even give the Isles the Metro Ice challenge money and declared themselves the winner? Media outlets reporting Dolan's sports coverage is biased for his team's like so many report about his Msg coverage?

What's next Charles Wang fired Marv Albert.

This team has had a horrid record with all the injuries, in the last ten years so has Edmonton, Los Angeles, Florida, Phoenix, Columbus and many NHL franchises who never got the media beating this team did because the Isles have Dolan's media and Botta's grudge from a distance who takes that to fringe outlets. The Leafs media may hate their team and blast them, but they also sell the product in a positive light too.

That's the difference. Tavares wins player of the month, Dolan's media does not write one feature, same on Moulson's 30 goals.

Someone pulled a Botta up there the other writers would eat them alive despite not going to a playoff since 03-04 and getting beaten out by the Isles in 06-07. The Isles beat them head to head that last week too.



Never said Wang was a model owner, just a fair accounting of what's he's done on and off the ice and how he keeps spending and trying. He's done his part whether it works out or not since 2000.
- NYI

Wow! First off, not sure if I want to shake your hand or just tie you to the chair and slap the shat out of you. I hate MSG based teams just as much as the next Isles fan but continuing to bring up 2 Manhattan based franchises, with deep wallets, a bigger fanbase and an owner who controls much of the media just to drill a point is ridiculous. I can't fight with political nonsense but to me the way to solve the Islanders media coverage is by winning.

As Islander fans, we all know very well about injuries with the team. But also as fan, no one outside your own fanbase gives a ratsass about your injuries. Tell a Ranger fan or a Devils fan about our woah is me injury plague and they will love to laugh in your face until you walk away. Talk to the Penguins this year who were missing the best player in the game and one of their best defensemen but still managed to make the playoffs. How about the Flyers who traded away their "stars" from last year in Carter and Richards and then lost their best defensemen in Pronger. How about last years cup winners, the Bruins who were missing many key guys during their season the way to their win.

At some point we as fans take a step back and see our team just is not that good. Do I hate Wang for that? Nope. Snow? Nope. They both have done positives and negatives. It's hard as a fan to say that it could be worse but it could... There could have been no NY Islanders. Wang may not have bought the team and opened his wallet and this team could be in Winnipeg, Ontario, Seattle or KC.

You keep bringing up front loaded contracts and how many of the stars of todays game are looking for them to have their security. So, if the Islanders are so serious about upping this team to the next level and the only way to obtain these players is offer then why don't the Isles?? Why do the Islanders know this will be a deal breaker but still allow other teams to do this and they pass? Why let Parise and Suter look elsewhere this summer...


Now, I'm no Wang hater but you seem to be the inside man so.... If Wang is such an amazing owner, why do players who don't play here laugh and look the other way when the Isles offer contracts. And why did Smith and LaFontaine resign/quit after such a short period of time?

By that logic the Knicks with one playoff win in ten years would be gone and the Rangers many times during their eight year disgrace and one cup in seventy years but still wave the pom poms for the ad bucks from the Knicks.

This franchise since 2007-08 has had a ton of injuries like no other franchise, last summer some decisions set them back with other ineffective returning players.

Doug Weight last year I would love to see this team healthy for three months, sometimes teams don't have injuries and are bad, some we never get to see the best version of the team.
- NYI

"Eight year disgrace" is a far cry from 20 years of futility. And you don't think the Rangers got a bad rep for how they conducted themselves then? Overpaying for every vet out there and flopping? People have been ripping them for that up until this year, when they finally made a deep run and shut people up. Like the Islanders should do if they want to be taken seriously.

The Isles were mostly healthy this year, at least the players that mattered. Injuries were no more significant than other teams...the team didn't even use it as an excuse this year like they have previously. They still finished 26th. So, you would love to see them healthy for three months...well, you did, how'd they look?

Jeez, look at the Penguins this year. Without Crosby almost the entire time, they lost most of their defense, key players in and out all year. They still got over 100 points. To put those injuries in perspective, imagine if the Isles played all season without Tavares, Moulson in and out of the lineup, Streit and Hamonic trading major injuries back and forth. Think we'd even have the meager point total we managed this year, let alone get 100 points for the first time in I don't even know how long?

Timeout. Those other teams that eventually won the cup were terrible when the Isles were a playoff team four years out of five years. Pittsburgh was playing in front of 10,000 people and unlike Wang with the same Smg managing the Igloo/Melon that manages the Coliseum was selling Jagr to Washington and Kovalev to the Rangers. The Isles beat Chicago 9-2 with Yashin scoring four goals.

Last I looked no one would be throwing a parade after 2002 if they won game seven in Toronto and lost to Ottawa.
- NYI

You bring up the Islanders making the playoffs a few times as if that's something to crow about, or on par with these other teams' peaks... the Isles still weren't a very good team most of those years. The only year the team was a credible threat since the turn of the millenium was 2001-02, and even that was a first-round exit. Every other year in this "run" was 8th place, very easy first round exit. Heck just earlier today I was told how horrible it is to aspire to that.

I don't fault teams for going through long valleys, like Pittsburgh, Chicago, even the Islanders. But there's gotta be a peak at some time, no? Pitt and Chi both went from legit contender, to bottom feeder, to SC champ since the last time we had a real peak, which I guess would be 1993.

Like the Knicks? You cannot defend biased coverage of one team you are claiming is bad without the same standard for all and you cannot defend outlets broke who don't cover the Devils much either and need Dolan's Knick ad money.
- NYI

I can't comment. Basketball might as well be cricket for all I know about the sport and the teams that play it.

This team has had a horrid record with all the injuries, in the last ten years so has Edmonton, Los Angeles, Florida, Phoenix, Columbus and many NHL franchises who never got the media beating this team did because the Isles have Dolan's media and Botta's grudge from a distance who takes that to fringe outlets. The Leafs media may hate their team and blast them, but they also sell the product in a positive light too.

That's the difference. Tavares wins player of the month, Dolan's media does not write one feature, same on Moulson's 30 goals.

Someone pulled a Botta up there the other writers would eat them alive despite not going to a playoff since 03-04 and getting beaten out by the Isles in 06-07. The Isles beat them head to head that last week too.
- NYI

Firstly, there's a reason why "injuries are no excuse" is one of the most overused cliches in sports. Let's stop calling this all just a run of bad luck.

And what does any of this have to do with anything? Columbus is ignored in the hockey media too except when making big trades or wondering when Nash is going to be traded. Florida was ignored until it went crazy in free agency and won its division. Phoenix only made headlines for where it was going to be moved to until the team started building something worth talking about. LA was not even an afterthought in its local market until this year. The theme is, if you're irrelevant, no one talks about you, and if they do, it's usually not flattering. If you're winning, they talk about what you're doing right.

You expect Moulson scoring 30 goals to be a major story for an irrelevant team? Islanders games stop meaning anything in November these days. What happens after that is pretty inconsequential unless a record's being broken or something. By the way, here's Dolan-owned Newsday's story with the giant headline about Tavares being player of the month, for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.newsday.com/sp...ar-of-the-month-1.3499251

Never said Wang was a model owner, just a fair accounting of what's he's done on and off the ice and how he keeps spending and trying. He's done his part whether it works out or not since 2000.
- NYI

We're the lowest-spending team by a mile (actual money spent, not cap figure). Don't bother to list the reasons, because that's not the point. The point is you said he keeps spending. Clearly he's not anymore.

You call it a fair accounting, I say unrealistically rosy, but oh well.

Oh geez, you're going to start with this shat? "racist and derogatory". The kid is fat and he is most certainly Asian. Get over it.
- Cptmjl

Oh, I'm not butt hurt. Pretty sure I know what Asian and Fat mean? If you're fat and unhappy about it, go to the gym and do something about it. If you're offended you are probably unhappy. Get your fat ass up and diet/workout. If you're Asian, great. Good for you. Theres nothing racist about any of this, if anyone wants to spin it into a "racist comment" and they are offended I say go ahead and be offended. When you say "butt hurt" what are you trying to say??? I'm sure I can spin some politically correct nonsense out of this statement?
- Cptmjl

look up the words racist and derogatory....

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Credit where it's due... Rags fought back & tied that game up... Devils were lucky to win this one. Thankfully.

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"Eight year disgrace" is a far cry from 20 years of futility. And you don't think the Rangers got a bad rep for how they conducted themselves then? Overpaying for every vet out there and flopping? People have been ripping them for that up until this year, when they finally made a deep run and shut people up. Like the Islanders should do if they want to be taken seriously.

The Isles were mostly healthy this year, at least the players that mattered. Injuries were no more significant than other teams...the team didn't even use it as an excuse this year like they have previously. They still finished 26th. So, you would love to see them healthy for three months...well, you did, how'd they look?

Jeez, look at the Penguins this year. Without Crosby almost the entire time, they lost most of their defense, key players in and out all year. They still got over 100 points. To put those injuries in perspective, imagine if the Isles played all season without Tavares, Moulson in and out of the lineup, Streit and Hamonic trading major injuries back and forth. Think we'd even have the meager point total we managed this year, let alone get 100 points for the first time in I don't even know how long?




You bring up the Islanders making the playoffs a few times as if that's something to crow about, or on par with these other teams' peaks... the Isles still weren't a very good team most of those years. The only year the team was a credible threat since the turn of the millenium was 2001-02, and even that was a first-round exit. Every other year in this "run" was 8th place, very easy first round exit. Heck just earlier today I was told how horrible it is to aspire to that.

I don't fault teams for going through long valleys, like Pittsburgh, Chicago, even the Islanders. But there's gotta be a peak at some time, no? Pitt and Chi both went from legit contender, to bottom feeder, to SC champ since the last time we had a real peak, which I guess would be 1993.




I can't comment. Basketball might as well be cricket for all I know about the sport and the teams that play it.



Firstly, there's a reason why "injuries are no excuse" is one of the most overused cliches in sports. Let's stop calling this all just a run of bad luck.

And what does any of this have to do with anything? Columbus is ignored in the hockey media too except when making big trades or wondering when Nash is going to be traded. Florida was ignored until it went crazy in free agency and won its division. Phoenix only made headlines for where it was going to be moved to until the team started building something worth talking about. LA was not even an afterthought in its local market until this year. The theme is, if you're irrelevant, no one talks about you, and if they do, it's usually not flattering. If you're winning, they talk about what you're doing right.

You expect Moulson scoring 30 goals to be a major story for an irrelevant team? Islanders games stop meaning anything in November these days. What happens after that is pretty inconsequential unless a record's being broken or something. By the way, here's Dolan-owned Newsday's story with the giant headline about Tavares being player of the month, for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.newsday.com/sp...ar-of-the-month-1.3499251



We're the lowest-spending team by a mile (actual money spent, not cap figure). Don't bother to list the reasons, because that's not the point. The point is you said he keeps spending. Clearly he's not anymore.

You call it a fair accounting, I say unrealistically rosy, but oh well.
- UIF

The simple fact is the Rangers always try to win even if they made bad decisions. Charles has stopped trying to win a long time ago. You cannot have Snow and Cappy still working for you if you care about winning and do not say there are doing a great job. Having a small payroll is one thing having Snow and Cappy running your team is a whole other story. If Wang would have focused on having a good team he would have had more then enough supporters in his fight to get a new building. Now with the Isles in the dumps for years Wang is getting very little support and Kate Murray get to do nothing.

This thread is an abomination.

Sorry I didn't write that in 2,000 words. Are you kidding me?

look up the words racist and derogatory....

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- XxNYIxX

Bd Is best isles writer out there. Of course he article going to be awesome.

Tells it like it is. I agree. We don't realize that rebuild is going just fine. He just need to get some good vets on board. Resigning staios again would be sign that nothing has changed here.

I must say I enjoyed watch devils win the game last night. Haven't that rangers annoying chanting crowd yell at broduer after that giveaway goal then go radio silent as carter scored was great.

Looks like queen henrik has ran out of gas. Hope rags get eliminated Friday.

How nice would parise look in isles sweater.

Bd Is best isles writer out there. Of course he article going to be awesome.

Tells it like it is. I agree. We don't realize that rebuild is going just fine. He just need to get some good vets on board. Resigning staios again would be sign that nothing has changed here.

I must say I enjoyed watch devils win the game last night. Haven't that rangers annoying chanting crowd yell at broduer after that giveaway goal then go radio silent as carter scored was great.

Looks like queen henrik has ran out of gas. Hope rags get eliminated Friday.

How nice would parise look in isles sweater.
- Spartiarti

Parise is smart enough to not sign on with this sinking ship.

Who knew Charles Wang making four playoffs in five years before the league became the poster child for man games lost to injury was now Howard Milstein?

Seems the players working here right now disagree, who would be calling their agents demanding to get away from Wang/Snow if they were this bad.

Good thing Msg owns Newday so we know the truth behind the paywall or with games on Msg+++++++10 or from a bitter, vengeful failed former media relations coordinator who the media dumped on his watch with a huge axe to grind who took Charles Wang's money to blog for them before turning down what he called a very generous offer.

For a minute I thought Wang owned the Knicks and was demanding another 11m tax exemption like Msg has received since 1981 when they were threatening to move.

Funny the first time the Isles missed the playoffs Milbury resigned in 2006.
Charles Wang's record:
Tavares-Signed/Resigned
Moulson-Signed/Resigned
Grabner-Signed
Nielsen-Signed/Resigned
Okposo-Signed/Resigned
Bailey-Signed/Resigned
Streit-Signed
Hamonic-Signed
Nelson-Signed/Resigned
MacDonald-Signed
Strome-Signed
Niederreter-Signed
Nabkov-Tolled-Resigned
Martin/Signed-now RFA

Parenteau-Wants to be resigned.

Donovan/Signed
Ness/Signed'
Kabanov/Signed.
Poulin/Signed
Nilsson/Signed
Koskinen/Signed

Paul Martin-tried to sign-left Devils/signed with Pittsburgh
Ehrhoff-tried to sign took massive front-loaded money with Buffalo, leaving Vancouver.

Who knows what other good UFA they tried to sign?

What a horrible owner for signing everyone he could, when he could have kept his cash in the bank.

You do know what front-loading contract is and why it's something the Isles and 20+ teams do not offer including Montreal and Toronto who seem to have the Isles problem landing big names unless it's Chris Campoli.

When James Wisniewski get's 36 million with a 10m dollar check for 2011-12 that's what front-loading is. That has nothing to do with the building which Snow said was ONE problem when Smyth got his front-loaded money from Colorado and was gone as soon as they paid the biggest portions of the contract.

Brad Richards is making thirty million dollars for 2011-12 of his sixty million, that's what front-loading is. Ehrhoff twenty million for 2011-12.

All Bridgeport prospects-Signed.
Joensuu-Signed
Rakhshani-Signed
DiBenedetto-Signed
Marcinko-Signed

Charles Wang saved Bridgeport again from Roy Boe, bought management rights has lease until 2021 and is renovating in what is now a profitable building.

Seems the players all want to be here and like working for Charles Wang and Garth Snow, who was spending over 45m dollars before this league had a cap floor.

Jack Capuano a year ago got a team eighteen games under five hundred all the way to four games under with 620 man games lost and was hired with Bylsma and just as qualified to win with the right players.

Sure Charles Wang hates spending he gave Yashin, Peca, DiPietro all that money so people could hate him when he could have left it in the bank and kept Connolly and Pyatt who plays in Phoenix where the league BOG (meaning Charles Wang) let's them spend.

This is while the Caps get revenue sharing while Charles Wang get's Kate Murray.

Funny cheapo Wang did another lighthouse tournament flying in kids from all over the world and housing them for a week with no media coverage. The Coliseum hosts the NYC Cops/Fireman game while Bloomberg shows up at Msg to hand the Garden eleven million dollars.

Seems all the former players loved being here with Peca, Osgood, Yashin and other all praising this owner and their time here. The alumni sure loved coming back to the point Wang was criticized for that too.

Absolutely, let's follow the Florida plan after ten years without playoffs, give an over 35 defender a four year sixteen million dollar contract, let's go take Brian Campbells contract and give Bergenheim eleven million over four years which Tampa would not give him. Let's do the Chicago plan with a competent gm and overpay badly for Huet, Campbell and not sign players on time after firing the coach after four games.

Let's go sign Souray so he can lose here instead or Dallas, that's what a real gm does.

Let's do that 2005-06 Pittsburgh plan and go sign Leclaire, Palffy, and a ton of retreads including Andy Hilbert who finished up that year with Crosby. Isles were in the same lottery for Crosby.

We saw this game in 2000, the fans demanded action and Milbury had a job to save and wanted more than 6,000 fans so Wang spent 130m on players. The trade market is far worse today because of front-loading contracts for top players. Incredible gm Steve Yzerman had to sign Gervais, Bergeron for his defense with Gilroy and Eric Brewer.

If Snow were a real gm he would have done that.

Snow had to bring back returning Eaton, Mottau, Jurcina and made a very poor choice with Staios in a weak UFA market over faster Hillen, Martinek and he lost Katic in camp. Wishart should have been here.

He gambled and lost on Rolston and Reasoner, their second half numbers a year ago were fair gambles that could have helped.

Bottom line he's had very bad luck with injuries, some great decisions and some mistakes.

As for the Coliseum, yes we know. Wang should pay in full and be the only owner who has to renovate a building he does not own many times since 2000, he should be the only New York/New Jersey/Brooklyn or potential Canadian owner who should not receive one penny of taxpayer assistance while everyone else got big taxpayer money or bonds while Wang and Rechler got to lose 20m dollars and do 200 meetings on the Lighthouse, then Wang got to run around all last summer on a referendum no other local team needed for a taxpayer funded facility.

I got an idea. One of you give Charles Wang 200m for the team here and in Bridgeport, then call up Nassau and offer Mangano 400m for a new arena with no development rights and pray that's enough for Mangano, Murray, D'Amato and Mondello to leave the team alone because they will want more or Smg to get everything in your building or no lease because they have their own development plans with Hofstra's Stuart Rabinowicz.

Then we better see some fat front-loaded contracts and 1975 ticket prices or you will not attend one game so another 100-200m for players starting with 70 million front-loaded for Parise to replace Moulson for Tavares.

After that you have to buy Newsday from Cablevision or you receive no coverage which means at least another 600m to regain your own newspaper separate of Msg while they still hide every game they can.

Then another 100m in marketing, buying WFAN put the games on their station when the Mets are not playing.

So that's 1.5 billion dollars, someone call Charles Wang and do it if you believe you have a better plan.
- NYI

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- niteislander

Really?

Like who in a terrible UFA class? Give me a name for last summer and this one and don't tell me Parise because he going to want 20m-30m for 2012-13 pre lockout money so he don't lose 24 percent of his contract and givebacks like the last CBA.

Did you want Snow to offer an over 35 like Javonovski sixteen milllion dollars for four years or go make a trade for Campbell's contract?

Did you want Snow to go give Kaberle what Carolina did, who traded him as quick as possible and their gm said signing him was a huge mistake?

How about McCabe who no team would touch.

Did you want to bring back Wisniewski for more than what Tavares got front-loaded (do you even understand front-loading contracts?) Ehrhoff got a massive overpayment that Vancouver would not give him and had a terrible season.

I guess the Isles could have given Nystrom the money they gave Pandolfo or brought back Torres at 1m to kick Martin off the team.

Did you want Snow to match what Tampa gave Gervais or Bergeron.

Wang offered over twenty million for Ehrhoff, don't tell me he did not try and spend.

Let's see your plan.
- NYI

yes that would have been much better... and I realize that hindsight is 20/20 and truthfully most on here would have me as a koolaide drinker or Wang/snow Appologist too...the Arena, Politics, etc. are a mess and that is truly not their fault.

but last year was the first time I was actually angry at this team's owner and GM. My reasons for this were 2 fold. The "Vets" we signed did not add to the team. They took away from the team and the "plan". If we played that terrible with our own guys out there on Defense (Haley, Gillies, Rhett, Joensue, etc.).. I could have dealt with that and been OK with it as part of the rebuild, but we signed Pando, Wallace, Staios, etc. These guys were terrible and added nothing to this team. Wallace was supposed to (at the very least) prevent Nino from getting his head beat in... He did not.. He let him get killed shift after shift. I remember shifts where after the whistle he was skating to the bench and JT was screaming at the guy who just buried Nino after the whistle.. Wallace was skating to the bench..WTF.

This goes into my second reason. This team had some grit and toughness that helped them gel the year before with Haley, Zenon Konopka, etc. Those guys on the team helped the young guys know that someone had their back. How does wang/snow/Cap not see his players getting pushed around all over the ice. How does he not see the cheapshots, the after whistle nonsense on the franchise players. The only thing I can think of is Wang does not like fighting in the NHL so refuses to have those players on the team. That is not a good thing for the Islanders.