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mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

May 2 @ 6:36 PM ET
First paragraph :

"La fumée blanche peut apparaître au-dessus du Centre Bell puisque Geoff Molson et Serge Savard ont terminé leur réflexion. Ils ont trouvé leur homme, un Montréalais de surcroît, dans la cour des Blackhawks de Chicago. Marc Bergevin aura maintenant toute une commande sur les bras, celle de sortir le Canadien de la dèche."

Speaking about some white smoke over Bell Centre (wtf?) and making a reference to male semen is enough for me to stop reading.

- Dgrdnr

I'm surprised he hasn't ripped Bergevin for not speaking perfect French.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 2 @ 6:53 PM ET
More scouts in the Q, a french canadian player before an anglo, when both have the same talent level. Keeping Timmins.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 2 @ 6:55 PM ET
Nice one of QP's heros and where he gets his wealth/lack of knowledge from. Is this the same guy Asp said was decent a few pages back?
- ShootingSemin


I hate Bertrand Raymond, François Gagnon, Michel Langevin, Stéphane Langdeau and Réjean Tremblay with a passion.

Less Gagnon, as sometimes he says something interesting, but the rest are just there to bash the habs daily.
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

May 2 @ 6:55 PM ET
More scouts in the Q, a french canadian player before an anglo, when both have the same talent level. Keeping Timmins.
- QuebecPride


He never said anything like that. It's just the media (and you) putting these words in his mouth. I am glad however that they're finally getting more scouts in the Q.
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

May 2 @ 6:56 PM ET
I hate Bertrand Raymond, François Gagnon, Michel Langevin, Stéphane Langdeau and Réjean Tremblay with a passion.

Less Gagnon, as sometimes he says something interesting, but the rest are just there to bash the habs daily.

- QuebecPride


T'as oublié Flynn pis l'autre insignifiant dont j'oublie le nom mais qui travaille aussi à RDS.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 6:56 PM ET
More scouts in the Q, a french canadian player before an anglo, when both have the same talent level. Keeping Timmins.
- QuebecPride


don't they do that now?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
He never said anything like that. It's just the media (and you) putting these words in his mouth. I am glad however that they're finally getting more scouts in the Q.
- PRICEless

He did on le 5a7 on RDS, He said, at equal talent, they look at the Quebec player for sure.
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

May 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
don't they do that now?
- Oilhab


Problem with this is that there is no such thing as two players with the "same talent". Individual players have specific, individual skillsets and abilities. There's a reason for draft ranks.

It aint like they're gonna check out all the quebec kids and compare them to all the anglo kids in order to find wich ones have similar talents... They'll just pick the best player available. Wich is why its important to have scouts in the Q, so the good Quebec players dont fly under our nose.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
don't they do that now?
- Oilhab

They do but they will increase their scouting of the Q. They gave Giroux as an example.
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

May 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
He did on le 5a7 on RDS, He said, at equal talent, they look at the Quebec player for sure.
- Symba007


Dayum i missed that... Well i'm disapoint.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 7:02 PM ET
He did on le 5a7 on RDS, He said, at equal talent, they look at the Quebec player for sure.
- Symba007


How often does that happen though, that an Anglo and Franco of exact same talent level would be available at the same time.

It's all Politicing to appease the QP's of the world.
Dgrdnr
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Newly appointed ambassador of the Nordiques thread
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 2 @ 7:02 PM ET
I hate Bertrand Raymond, François Gagnon, Michel Langevin, Stéphane Langdeau and Réjean Tremblay with a passion.

Less Gagnon, as sometimes he says something interesting, but the rest are just there to bash the habs daily.

- QuebecPride


Add Michel Bergeron to the list.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:02 PM ET
Problem with this is that there is no such thing as two players with the "same talent". Individual players have specific, individual skillsets and abilities. There's a reason for draft ranks.

It aint like they're gonna check out all the quebec kids and compare them to all the anglo kids in order to find wich ones have similar talents... They'll just pick the best player available. Wich is why its important to have scouts in the Q, so the good Quebec players dont fly under our nose.

- PRICEless

talent is subjective for a kid in juniors, unless you have scouts who push a player, it's easy to overlook someone. I don't want them to only draft Quebec players, most just want, when possible, to grab the good ones.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 7:03 PM ET
Problem with this is that there is no such thing as two players with the "same talent". Individual players have specific, individual skillsets and abilities. There's a reason for draft ranks.

It aint like they're gonna check out all the quebec kids and compare them to all the anglo kids in order to find wich ones have similar talents... They'll just pick the best player available. Wich is why its important to have scouts in the Q, so the good Quebec players dont fly under our nose.

- PRICEless


You beat me to it.

They did have scouts in the Q, they had one and Timmins
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 7:04 PM ET
Dayum i missed that... Well i'm disapoint.
- PRICEless


Remember when they drafted those french kids and brought them up through the system together. that was great times and it worked out well for all of them.

Now what were their names... All i can remember is them being called 3 Amigos.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:04 PM ET
You beat me to it.

They did have scouts in the Q, they had one and Timmins

- Oilhab

Timmins travels around NA to scout player AND he does players development. All Bergevin said was that the Habs will have more scouts in Quebec.

I fully expect them to hire Stephane Leroux as a new scout for the Q.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:05 PM ET
Rememebr whne they draft those french kids and brought them up through the system together! that was great times and it worked well for all of them.

Now what was there names... All i can remember is them being called 3 Amigos.

- Oilhab

Dagenais, Ribeiro and Theodore?
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 7:06 PM ET
Timmins travels around NA to scout player AND he does players development. All Bergevin said was that the Habs will have more scouts in Quebec.

I fully expect them to hire Stephane Leroux as a new scout for the Q.

- Symba007


When he was at home, I would assume he would catch some Local Junior games in the evenings.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 7:06 PM ET
Dagenais, Ribeiro and Theodore?
- Symba007


There we go, those guys were great for the habs.

The habs need more of that.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

May 2 @ 7:10 PM ET
There we go, those guys were great for the habs.

The habs need more of that.

- Oilhab


Maybe the culture and how they are brought up are more important and should be evaluated first, rather then just throwing more Francos into the fire to have their heads explode.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:10 PM ET
There we go, those guys were great for the habs.

The habs need more of that.

- Oilhab

One of the Habs weakness is still players development, they let those kids without much mentoring in MTL at 19-20yrs old and wonder why they go crazy. Just look at those 3, Higgins, SK/AK and the list goes on.

That's one part of Timmins job where he needs to do A LOT more or give that task to someone else.
Dgrdnr
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Newly appointed ambassador of the Nordiques thread
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 2 @ 7:12 PM ET
One of the Habs weakness is still players development, they let those kids without much mentoring in MTL at 19-20yrs old and wonder why they go crazy. Just look at those 3, Higgins, SK/AK and the list goes on.

That's one part of Timmins job where he needs to do A LOT more or give that task to someone else.

- Symba007


This
ShootingSemin
Location: Never disagree with the mass p
Joined: 06.22.2010

May 2 @ 7:14 PM ET
No no, Asp was talking about Francois Gagnon
- Symba007

Awe, sorry my bad.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 7:14 PM ET
This
- Dgrdnr

it's also a question of leadership by the veterans. Some of those leaders could take home some of those kids as they come up for a year or two.
ShootingSemin
Location: Never disagree with the mass p
Joined: 06.22.2010

May 2 @ 7:17 PM ET
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- OriginalIk[47] Prior to 1945 (the year Pius XII changed the form of ballot to use anonymous oaths, first carried out in 1958), when the ballots were of the more complex type illustrated above, the sealing wax which was used in those ballots had an effect in making the smoke from burning the ballots either black or white, depending on whether damp straw was added or not. This explains the confusion over the color of the smoke in the conclave of 1958, with coloring chemicals added beginning in 1963.



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