Isles picks over the last decade or so with what i remember saying what I would have done. I wasn't right either on some of these but a couple were terrible on their part. 2010 Isles selected Nino Niederreitter. I was okay with this pick. 2009 John Tavares. Had to be Tavares. Their second pick was Calvin De Haan. I was okay with it, but I would have picked Kassian. I always thought Kassian was a difference maker and the Isles needed size up front. I've never been a huge DeHaan fan, he was okay for me, but I was suprrised to see him go as high as he did. 2008 Josh Bailey. THis was a huge mistake. The pick was Cody Hodgson. I think anyone who followed the draft at all knew the pick was him. No one else should have even been discussed. 2007 - Traded the pick 2006 Kyle Okposo. I would have taken Peter Mueller. I hadn't seen Okposo play, I saw enough of Mueller to like what i saw. Its sort of a wash though. 2005 Ryan O'Marra. I'm fine with this pick. o'Marra had a very strong 2 way career and got off the rails from injuries too early in his career. Got dealt to Saginaw for them to make a big run and he went down. Real shame actually. 2004 Petteri Nokelainen. I was skeptical of this pick, along with all three of the dyanmic Finnish trio because they just seemed to be so over hyped. I didn't really have an opinion of who I'd take but Wolski was on the board and I did like him and his combo of size and skill. 2003 Robert Nilsson. This was the defining draft. The pick was Parise. Kid wanted to be there, his dad played there, he was super excited about going and they went totally off the board to pick a bust.
Isles picks over the last decade or so with what i remember saying what I would have done. I wasn't right either on some of these but a couple were terrible on their part. 2010 Isles selected Nino Niederreitter. I was okay with this pick. 2009 John Tavares. Had to be Tavares. Their second pick was Calvin De Haan. I was okay with it, but I would have picked Kassian. I always thought Kassian was a difference maker and the Isles needed size up front. I've never been a huge DeHaan fan, he was okay for me, but I was suprrised to see him go as high as he did. 2008 Josh Bailey. THis was a huge mistake. The pick was Cody Hodgson. I think anyone who followed the draft at all knew the pick was him. No one else should have even been discussed. 2007 - Traded the pick 2006 Kyle Okposo. I would have taken Peter Mueller. I hadn't seen Okposo play, I saw enough of Mueller to like what i saw. Its sort of a wash though. 2005 Ryan O'Marra. I'm fine with this pick. o'Marra had a very strong 2 way career and got off the rails from injuries too early in his career. Got dealt to Saginaw for them to make a big run and he went down. Real shame actually. 2004 Petteri Nokelainen. I was skeptical of this pick, along with all three of the dyanmic Finnish trio because they just seemed to be so over hyped. I didn't really have an opinion of who I'd take but Wolski was on the board and I did like him and his combo of size and skill. 2003 Robert Nilsson. This was the defining draft. The pick was Parise. Kid wanted to be there, his dad played there, he was super excited about going and they went totally off the board to pick a bust. - Lohaus
From 2007 on was Snow, Okposo back was Milbag. DeHaan was a stretch but we'll see? Snow has done nothing to warrant anyone saying he is doing a great job. Anyone who says that is pretty shot. The draft is a bit of a crap shoot, which most know. Its hard to base an opinion on drafting(even though it has not been impressive anyway)for a GM's overall job, I can base it on everything else though! So far he has done next to nothing and pretty much said he will continue to do just that, inactivity to some fans(Isles0289 included very few left thankfully)somehow comes across as intelligence and Snow knowing more than the rest of the NHL? The undying support is something I'll never understand? I am a fan and have been for more than thirty years but that doesn't mean I have to blindly support someone who is not doing their job which he is not.
From 2007 on was Snow, Okposo back was Milbag. DeHaan was a stretch but we'll see? Snow has done nothing to warrant anyone saying he is doing a great job. Anyone who says that is pretty shot. - Cptmjl
The Hamonic pick though was a good one. I didn't really know much of him before he got drafted, saw him at the WJC though and he impressed me big time there. He's a keeper for sure.
I also liked Matt Martin heading there. He was a warrior in Sarnia, used to be the wingman for Stamkos along with Dibennedeto. I had a feeling he could be a player because he was willing to put his head on the line every shift to change the game.
The Hamonic pick though was a good one. I didn't really know much of him before he got drafted, saw him at the WJC though and he impressed me big time there. He's a keeper for sure.
I also liked Matt Martin heading there. He was a warrior in Sarnia, used to be the wingman for Stamkos along with Dibennedeto. I had a feeling he could be a player because he was willing to put his head on the line every shift to change the game. - Lohaus
As in my previous post Hamonic was a great pick and I love Martin. After the WJC it was actually shocking he(Hamonic) made it to the second round, was thinking he'd be a late first? DiBennideto is a waste, hes trying to find himself in the AHL but its not looking good. My point being for all of theseposts is I can't say Snow is a great GM due to his drafting. It hasn't been horrible(questionable, yes. But we''ll see how these players pan out)but doesn't warrant him being called a great GM because of it either.
Oh oh Brian... Brian! Conflict on your thread. this never happens! - Lohaus
People are usually so loving in my threads.
Brian
HF has Jaden Schwartz as the 8th best prospect, what the hell? Is he really that good? - Lahey
He's definitely up there. Not sure if I'd have him THAT high, but yea, he's likely a Top 20 prospect currently drafted. The hard part for Schwartz is whether or not his game will translate. He's going to have a hard time with his size, trying to get to the inside. I noticed it a lot in the World Juniors... being pushed to a perimeter game.
It's a top heavy draft, similar to last year, just doesn't have the depth that 2011 had through the 2nd round. (players like Saad in the 2nd?)
Remember at this time last year how everyone was pumping up 2012 and talking crap about 2011. Happens eveeeerry year. - Brian Huddle
This is really important. It is now clear that last year was both a strong and deep draft. Yet, prior to the draft people were dumping all over it saying it was so weak. Need to understand that insiders pump out loads of misinformation. For example, every year head scouts go to Sweden during the mid season and report that they did not see anything special beyond the obvious top two or three players. Yet, a bunch of kids get taken and year after year prove out as great talent.
Speculation on whether a draft is strong is undermined by the insiders who have a vested interest in wanting others to not search too deeply.
This is really important. It is now clear that last year was both a strong and deep draft. Yet, prior to the draft people were dumping all over it saying it was so weak. Need to understand that insiders pump out loads of misinformation. For example, every year head scouts go to Sweden during the mid season and report that they did not see anything special beyond the obvious top two or three players. Yet, a bunch of kids get taken and year after year prove out as great talent.
Speculation on whether a draft is strong is undermined by the insiders who have a vested interest in wanting others to not search too deeply. - spatso
The bonus with following the OHL closely is that when you see a draft list come out with several OHLers on it at various spots, you can tell based on that what the true depth is. As Brian noted, when you see a kid like Saad set to go in the 2nd round, you knew the quality of the draft was good. The upper tier of drafts can vary and often people invested in the drafted judge a draft based on that top tier, which in this years case isn't overly high end, but I think most people who paid attention last year accepted that there was little drop off in the extremely large tier that happened after pick 10. I'm not nearly as excited about the depth of this years draft as I was of last years.
That being said, I think next year's top tier is potentially wicked. McKinnon is sick and Monahan is that big 2 way center all teams covet. Not to mention Seth Jones, who by all indications, is a true impact number 1 D.
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That being said, I think next year's top tier is potentially wicked. McKinnon is sick and Monahan is that big 2 way center all teams covet. Not to mention Seth Jones, who by all indications, is a true impact number 1 D. - Lohaus
That being said, I think next year's top tier is potentially wicked. McKinnon is sick and Monahan is that big 2 way center all teams covet. Not to mention Seth Jones, who by all indications, is a true impact number 1 D. - Lohaus
Too bad they didn't finish a spot or two worse. That 5th pick reminds me of Ottawa last year picking 6th. Looks like it may work out with Zibanejad, but at the same time, thinking if we picked 2 spots up we'd have Larssen is something I can't help but wonder about. It'll be a quality pick regardless though but I guess we'll see if it addresses what their needs are. - Lohaus
Are you still happy with Z or would you rather have Couturier?
Are you still happy with Z or would you rather have Couturier? - QuebecPride
I always wanted Couturier, but I trust the scouts here. I'd never seen Zibanejad play previous to being drafted so I had no real opinion on him. The thing that always bothers me though is that people tend to evaluate a draft based on the first year. Is Couturier better than Zibanejad right now? Sure, but he's also a year older than him as well. Maybe Zibby walks into Ottawa next year and shows off why we took him. At the beginning of last year, during his 9 game run at the beginning, he was a kid, needed to add muscle and and needed to get stronger in general. He played well at the WJC, he apparently made strides in the SEL and then got brought to Bingo for a bit. Next year we'll see where he is at. All indications are he can play that physical brand of hockey either at center or on the wing and provide skill all at the same time. I'm confident he'll be good for us and it never concerns me at all if one player makes the jump before another.
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Ohhhhh BABY! - Brian Huddle
He sucks Brian. He's almost old enough to be drafted this year so he is done. Sorry, thems the rules. He and Yakupov will have to sit in the bust corner. Or so all the Forsberg nut huggers would say.
I always wanted Couturier, but I trust the scouts here. I'd never seen Zibanejad play previous to being drafted so I had no real opinion on him. The thing that always bothers me though is that people tend to evaluate a draft based on the first year. Is Couturier better than Zibanejad right now? Sure, but he's also a year older than him as well. Maybe Zibby walks into Ottawa next year and shows off why we took him. At the beginning of last year, during his 9 game run at the beginning, he was a kid, needed to add muscle and and needed to get stronger in general. He played well at the WJC, he apparently made strides in the SEL and then got brought to Bingo for a bit. Next year we'll see where he is at. All indications are he can play that physical brand of hockey either at center or on the wing and provide skill all at the same time. I'm confident he'll be good for us and it never concerns me at all if one player makes the jump before another. - Lohaus
The year in difference can mean a lot, but I still think Couturier will be the better of the two.
Dorion received a lot of praise for his Karlsson pick. I'm not sure the same could be said of the Z pick.
And this year's Zibanejad is Faksa, no offence Huddle
He sucks Brian. He's almost old enough to be drafted this year so he is done. Sorry, thems the rules. He and Yakupov will have to sit in the bust corner. Or so all the Forsberg nut huggers would say. - AdamFrench
Wasn't Forsberg named player of the tournament at the U-18?
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Wasn't Forsberg named player of the tournament at the U-18? - QuebecPride
Was he? I missed that bit when I watched the US kick the poop out of his team and Collberg laugh his way up the rankings by being better then him, even in his own end.
The year in difference can mean a lot, but I still think Couturier will be the better of the two.
Dorion received a lot of praise for his Karlsson pick. I'm not sure the same could be said of the Z pick.
And this year's Zibanejad is Faksa, no offence Huddle - QuebecPride
Time will tell. I know that the organization is very excited about the leaps Zibanejad made this year and there is a lot of talk that both our swedes, Silfverberg and Zibanejad, will be part of the starting 12 come next October (which would put Zibby at the same age as Couturier starting his career). A lot to be positive about the development right now. I don't get to caught up in how Couturier is fairing right now. I don't think anyone thinks Huberdeau, Scheiffele and Strome are busts, all taken before Couturier. Some guys just take a year or two more and like I said, Couturier is a year older anyways.
Time will tell. I know that the organization is very excited about the leaps Zibanejad made this year and there is a lot of talk that both our swedes, Silfverberg and Zibanejad, will be part of the starting 12 come next October (which would put Zibby at the same age as Couturier starting his career). A lot to be positive about the development right now. I don't get to caught up in how Couturier is fairing right now. I don't think anyone thinks Huberdeau, Scheiffele and Strome are busts, all taken before Couturier. Some guys just take a year or two more and like I said, Couturier is a year older anyways. - Lohaus
Its not the months that is the issue, Couturier has essentially another full year of development in junior, as opposed to anyone else born before September 15.
it eventually balances out, but its a factor between playing 2 years of junior and 3.
