OMG THAT'S HILARIOUS! THATS THE FUNNIEST THING I'VE READ ALL DAY! What's laughable is how you apparently don't follow the Islanders, then come on message boards undeservedly bashing your own GM. Some fan you are. Like Islander fans need opposing fans to have more misconceptions about our team, thanks.
- isles10289

You are so ridiculously numb, you are one of two people on this site(Islander fans included) that think s Snow is doing a good job. You've been laughed off the Islander boards numerous times. Me bashing Snow as a GM actually shows how much of a fan I really am, he has done nothing and his plan is not working. He has done more bad than good and once again our team is not in the playoffs, this is a result oriented buisness and the results speak for themselves, next year will be more of the same with the same unqualified coach, same defense, and one line. I''ve been watching this team since the seventies so you can shove that "don't follow the Islanders" comment up your ! Its "fans" like you that enable the BS thats going on with this team.

I hate how the media go on about "weak".

It's a top heavy draft, similar to last year, just doesn't have the depth that 2011 had through the 2nd round. (players like Saad in the 2nd?)

Remember at this time last year how everyone was pumping up 2012 and talking crap about 2011. Happens eveeeerry year.
- Brian Huddle

But also, I don't think it's as much of a top heavy draft, besides Yakupov being the obvious #1. Mock drafts have Grigorenko ranging anywhere from 2 to 10; I've seen a scouting report with Trouba 4th, and another with him 14th. This draft could go anywhere, it actually seems to be more level throughout the first 15 or so picks than top heavy.

You are so ridiculously numb, you are one of two people on this site(Islander fans included) that think s Snow is doing a good job. You've been laughed off the Islander boards numerous times. Me bashing Snow as a GM actually shows how much of a fan I really am, he has done nothing and his plan is not working. He has done more bad than good and once again our team is not in the playoffs, this is a result oriented buisness and the results speak for themselves, next year will be more of the same with the same unqualified coach, same defense, and one line. I''ve been watching this team since the seventies so you can shove that "don't follow the Islanders" comment up your ! Its "fans" like you that enable the BS thats going on with this team.
- Cptmjl

1.) Laughed off of HockeyBuzz? LOL. When I get enough of the imbeciles on here, I go to other sites where fans know what's going on.

2.) How is his plan not working? Please, explain it to me. What else would you like him to do? I KNOW! LET'S TRADE STROME, NINO, AND THE 4TH PICK FOR NASH! The plan is a slow and steady rebuild; he said it would take 5 years, and he didn't lie. The team was 5 points out of a playoff spot late in the season- they're not that far away.

3.) Again, you sit here and bash Snow, but what would you like him to do? They don't have any money. Wang loses $20M a year owning this team, and is still trying to get a new arena, etc. It's not feasible for them to throw $60M at Ryan Suter and another $40M at Zach Parise like some fans somehow think could happen. I'm not an enabler, but I believe in the rebuild, unlike your inpatient arse who bashes Milbury, but would trade Spezza and Chara for Yashin (the quick fix) all over again.

That's true; I guess that's a good question- if you could pick one, would you take Strome or Galchenyuk? I'd pick Strome, not only because he's a year further in his development but also because I think his offensive ceiling is higher.
- isles10289

I definitely think Galchenyuk has higher ceiling, but Strome is further in his development.

Oh oh Brian... Brian! Conflict on your thread. this never happens!

Oh, I know, signing Matt Moulson and PA Parenteau for nothing when anyone could have had them was a really stupid move. Grabbing Nabokov on waivers was really dumb on Snow's part, even though Nabokov has since decided TO STAY LONGER. And on and on. Please pay attention to the current Islanders- it's not 2001 anymore, thanks.
- isles10289

Its people like you that will constantly bring up Moulson and PA(who very well may not be an Islander shortly, you need to keep up with current events). If you think Nabakov who had a decent quarter of a season solves our problems in net you're shot.
Ok, now lets see what Snow has done besides PA and Moulson... Capuano(who will be our coach again next year ), Mottau, Rolston, Eaton, Bailey, DiPietro signed for another ten years(go ahead blame Wang), Gordon, Reasoner, Not made the playoffs since 2006, have not won a series since hes been GM, has drafted in the top five(excpet for 2008 which he had the option too)for five years in a rowband the team is in the same situation again, I'll stop there. Is there anyone who would think this is a resume of a good GM?

3.) Again, you sit here and bash Snow, but what would you like him to do? They don't have any money. Wang loses $20M a year owning this team, and is still trying to get a new arena, etc. It's not feasible for them to throw $60M at Ryan Suter and another $40M at Zach Parise like some fans somehow think could happen. I'm not an enabler, but I believe in the rebuild, unlike your inpatient arse who bashes Milbury, but would trade Spezza and Chara for Yashin (the quick fix) all over again.
- isles10289

The topic of Parise has come up before, especially considering it was well documented that Zach actually wanted to play for the Isles during his draft, and the Isles passed on him to take Nilsson. I could actually see Parise join the ranks there and end up doing exactly what he wanted to occur when he was drafted. Would that be a bad thing? Doesn't do anything outside of add a big boy contract, improve the offense and add a clutch forward to the ranks.

Its people like you that will constantly bring up Moulson and PA(who very well may not be an Islander shortly, you need to keep up with current events). If you think Nabakov who had a decent quarter of a season solves our problems in net you're shot.
Ok, now lets see what Snow has done besides PA and Moulson... Capuano(who will be our coach again next year ), Mottau, Rolston, Eaton, Bailey, DiPietro signed for another ten years(go ahead blame Wang), Gordon, Reasoner, Not made the playoffs since 2006, have not won a series since hes been GM, has drafted in the top five(excpet for 2008 which he had the option too)for five years in a rowband the team is in the same situation again, I'll stop there. Is there anyone who would think this is a resume of a good GM?
- Cptmjl

Long list of players, yet you don't give him credit for Andrew MacDonald, a solid top 4 d-man signed for $500,000 A YEAR. How about Travis Hamonic in the late 2nd round, or Casey Cizikas in the 6th? Or Kevin Poulin, who is one of Patrick Roy's favorite young goalies in the world, in the 6th round also? People bashed him for Nabokov, but he was great this year and is back for more next year.

But AGAIN you didn't answer my question. Please, tell me what Snow could be doing differently. Let's hear it. I guess drafting really well and laying the groundwork for a long term contender isn't good enough for you. Please please please tell me what Snow could be doing differently. He tried to add Ehrhoff; he wasn't interested. He offered the most money for Michalek and Martin; both said no thanks. He offered the most money for Smyth and Chris Drury; again both said no. I don't know what you think Snow could be doing differently. You are just happy to complain.

The topic of Parise has come up before, especially considering it was well documented that Zach actually wanted to play for the Isles during his draft, and the Isles passed on him to take Nilsson. I could actually see Parise join the ranks there and end up doing exactly what he wanted to occur when he was drafted. Would that be a bad thing? Doesn't do anything outside of add a big boy contract, improve the offense and add a clutch forward to the ranks.
- Lohaus

I'm not saying I don't want him on the Islanders; I'm saying it's unrealistic to think they could afford to sign him. If they signed him, I'd be ecstatic, but Islander fans expect moves like that, then bash Snow, even though it's impossible to think he'd come to the Isles over, say, the Red Wings, plus it's impossible to think the Islanders could afford him. Just because they have cap space doesn't mean they have actual, tangible money.

1.) Laughed off of HockeyBuzz? LOL. When I get enough of the imbeciles on here, I go to other sites where fans know what's going on.

2.) How is his plan not working? Please, explain it to me. What else would you like him to do? I KNOW! LET'S TRADE STROME, NINO, AND THE 4TH PICK FOR NASH! The plan is a slow and steady rebuild; he said it would take 5 years, and he didn't lie. The team was 5 points out of a playoff spot late in the season- they're not that far away.

3.) Again, you sit here and bash Snow, but what would you like him to do? They don't have any money. Wang loses $20M a year owning this team, and is still trying to get a new arena, etc. It's not feasible for them to throw $60M at Ryan Suter and another $40M at Zach Parise like some fans somehow think could happen. I'm not an enabler, but I believe in the rebuild, unlike your inpatient arse who bashes Milbury, but would trade Spezza and Chara for Yashin (the quick fix) all over again.
- isles10289

1)I won't bother

2)No, he did. Even he said if we don't make the playoffs(last year)this season will be considered a failure, guess what happened? The rebuild has showed zero progress, you picking a particular moment in the season where we were five points out is hysterical, you look like an ass.

3) If you think Wang is losing 20 million dollars a year you are even less informed than I thought. I believe in a rebuild, I hate MIlbury and thought he did an awful job(of course). I am not saying to trade the farm, never did. You do have to do other things besides draft and find ways to reach the salary cap floor to be considered a good GM. Let me ask you, if Snow were fired tommorow do you think another team would sign him as GM? Didn't think so...

I'm not saying I don't want him on the Islanders; I'm saying it's unrealistic to think they could afford to sign him. If they signed him, I'd be ecstatic, but Islander fans expect moves like that, then bash Snow, even though it's impossible to think he'd come to the Isles over, say, the Red Wings, plus it's impossible to think the Islanders could afford him. Just because they have cap space doesn't mean they have actual, tangible money.
- isles10289

Well, this kind of goes against your previous post. You said they were offering bigger money at FA's who signed elsewhere (like Smyth, Drury, Michalek etc...) so it seems to me that they do have money to spend, just not any willing takers. In Parise you have that guy, at least had that guy.

I look at Parise and I figure 7-7.5 mill long term gets it done. If he ended up there, I also think your team's record improves and not just based on the skill of the player. Parise, to me anyways, is a battler and a kid who won't accept losing. You have another one already in Tavares who is like that as well. The newer players could change that culture around.

If Parise could lock in, and money wasn't really the issue, it could be a huge move for turning this ship into the right direction because you already have a guy who has said previously he wanted to play there. I guess, to me, thats the difference.

On another note, I don't see Suter in the Isles future.

1)I won't bother

2)No, he did. Even he said if we don't make the playoffs(last year)this season will be considered a failure, guess what happened? The rebuild has showed zero progress, you picking a particular moment in the season where we were five points out is hysterical, you look like an ass.

3) If you think Wang is losing 20 million dollars a year you are even less informed than I thought. I believe in a rebuild, I hate MIlbury and thought he did an awful job(of course). I am not saying to trade the farm, never did. You do have to do other things besides draft and find ways to reach the salary cap floor to be considered a good GM. Let me ask you, if Snow were fired tommorow do you think another team would sign him as GM? Didn't think so...
- Cptmjl

http://newyork.cbslocal.c...or-without-the-islanders/

Wang has lost $250M in the ten years since owning the team. So how am I less informed?

Again, all I'm asking you to do is tell me what Snow should do. Please, for the love of God, I just want you, instead of calling me names, to tell me what Snow should do differently. Apparently, you can't do that. So if Snow can't do anything differently, why are you hating on him?

When this young, exciting team makes the playoffs soon, you're going to come on here talking so much game about how great the Islanders are, yet I hope you remember how much you complained about how they got there, because I'm sure your revisionist history will take over.

Long list of players, yet you don't give him credit for Andrew MacDonald, a solid top 4 d-man signed for $500,000 A YEAR. How about Travis Hamonic in the late 2nd round, or Casey Cizikas in the 6th? Or Kevin Poulin, who is one of Patrick Roy's favorite young goalies in the world, in the 6th round also? People bashed him for Nabokov, but he was great this year and is back for more next year.

But AGAIN you didn't answer my question. Please, tell me what Snow could be doing differently. Let's hear it. I guess drafting really well and laying the groundwork for a long term contender isn't good enough for you. Please please please tell me what Snow could be doing differently. He tried to add Ehrhoff; he wasn't interested. He offered the most money for Michalek and Martin; both said no thanks. He offered the most money for Smyth and Chris Drury; again both said no. I don't know what you think Snow could be doing differently. You are just happy to complain.
- isles10289

Andrew Mcdonald, solid? What games have you been watching? He had a good first year and was pretty terrible last year. What could Snow be doing? Alot, fire Capuano, get a real coach, get some real veteran players who can actually play and mentor our prospects, get a real defense, get someone besides Martin who can actually hit, get players that are'nt scared to play along the boards, get some players who won't get their asses wooped up and down the ice like every player on this team minus Martin. If Snow cant't get players because they "say no" get a capable GM who can. Past GM's signed players, players who were sought after and mid tier players. Snow has proven he can't. His drafting CANNOT be said to be incredible yet and many think has been subpar in fact. Besides Taveras and Hamonic (I like Martin but guys like him are not that tough to come by)what drafting have we seen that could be called "great"(Taveras was of course a no brainer)? Don't assume you know my point of view when you don't, it shows how narrow minded YOU are!

Well, this kind of goes against your previous post. You said they were offering bigger money at FA's who signed elsewhere (like Smyth, Drury, Michalek etc...) so it seems to me that they do have money to spend, just not any willing takers. In Parise you have that guy, at least had that guy.

I look at Parise and I figure 7-7.5 mill long term gets it done. If he ended up there, I also think your team's record improves and not just based on the skill of the player. Parise, to me anyways, is a battler and a kid who won't accept losing. You have another one already in Tavares who is like that as well. The newer players could change that culture around.

If Parise could lock in, and money wasn't really the issue, it could be a huge move for turning this ship into the right direction because you already have a guy who has said previously he wanted to play there. I guess, to me, thats the difference.

On another note, I don't see Suter in the Isles future.
- Lohaus

Apparently, in all those instances, Snow went to Wang to ask him to put his own money in, and he agreed to, so yeah, I'm sure he would agree to throw in more money for Parise. But again, the Red Wings, Rangers, etc. are expected to be bidding on Parise. He is going to get paid either way. Why would he come to the Islanders? I understand he wanted to in the draft, but now, as an established star? I'm just saying Islander fans who expect Parise and will undoubtedly bash Snow when he signs in Detroit are unrealistic.

I would love to see some Winterhawks vs. Knights action...

Ross vs McKegg

I think the best team of all 3 leagues are the Winterhawks. My cup winners.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/13/long-island-developers-planning-to-develop-nassau-hub-with-or-without-the-islanders/

Wang has lost $250M in the ten years since owning the team. So how am I less informed?

Again, all I'm asking you to do is tell me what Snow should do. Please, for the love of God, I just want you, instead of calling me names, to tell me what Snow should do differently. Apparently, you can't do that. So if Snow can't do anything differently, why are you hating on him?

When this young, exciting team makes the playoffs soon, you're going to come on here talking so much game about how great the Islanders are, yet I hope you remember how much you complained about how they got there, because I'm sure your revisionist history will take over.
- isles10289

Actually, you were calling me names, those numbers are BS and anyone with any knowledge about this team is aware of it, its just another Wang ploy to garner support. The guy gets concessions, parking, has the most lucrative cable deal in the NHL and maintains the lowest payroll.

Well, this kind of goes against your previous post. You said they were offering bigger money at FA's who signed elsewhere (like Smyth, Drury, Michalek etc...) so it seems to me that they do have money to spend, just not any willing takers. In Parise you have that guy, at least had that guy.

I look at Parise and I figure 7-7.5 mill long term gets it done. If he ended up there, I also think your team's record improves and not just based on the skill of the player. Parise, to me anyways, is a battler and a kid who won't accept losing. You have another one already in Tavares who is like that as well. The newer players could change that culture around.

If Parise could lock in, and money wasn't really the issue, it could be a huge move for turning this ship into the right direction because you already have a guy who has said previously he wanted to play there. I guess, to me, thats the difference.

On another note, I don't see Suter in the Isles future.
- Lohaus

First sentence says it all, thank you!

Apparently, in all those instances, Snow went to Wang to ask him to put his own money in, and he agreed to, so yeah, I'm sure he would agree to throw in more money for Parise. But again, the Red Wings, Rangers, etc. are expected to be bidding on Parise. He is going to get paid either way. Why would he come to the Islanders? I understand he wanted to in the draft, but now, as an established star? I'm just saying Islander fans who expect Parise and will undoubtedly bash Snow when he signs in Detroit are unrealistic.
- isles10289

No one is bashing Snow for not signing, people with common sense don't like the fact that he does NOTHING, wake up. Everyone was on board for the rebuild, this is not a rebuild. You cannot only draft players, you have to add players which Snow has proven not to be capable of.

Apparently, in all those instances, Snow went to Wang to ask him to put his own money in, and he agreed to, so yeah, I'm sure he would agree to throw in more money for Parise. But again, the Red Wings, Rangers, etc. are expected to be bidding on Parise. He is going to get paid either way. Why would he come to the Islanders? I understand he wanted to in the draft, but now, as an established star? I'm just saying Islander fans who expect Parise and will undoubtedly bash Snow when he signs in Detroit are unrealistic.
- isles10289

The realist in me says he won't become an Islander. I won't lie. He seems like a character kid though, that’s why I would expect Snow, or whoever in the Isles, to at least be listened to. I've heard talk from Parise he wants to be on a perennial contender. No offence, but that’d eliminate the Islanders from any talk which is why I made the comment of how he had wanted to be an Islander.

its tough though. When your team isn't playing well consistently because you cant get guys to sign on to a losing team, but you can't get better unless you have better players. Damned if you do and dammed if you don't. Only thing I do know is the Isles have left me scratching my head a couple times in the draft. That’s, if nothing else, is on the team and not just Snow. The scouts give him the information to go off of.

Well, this kind of goes against your previous post. You said they were offering bigger money at FA's who signed elsewhere (like Smyth, Drury, Michalek etc...) so it seems to me that they do have money to spend, just not any willing takers. In Parise you have that guy, at least had that guy.

I look at Parise and I figure 7-7.5 mill long term gets it done. If he ended up there, I also think your team's record improves and not just based on the skill of the player. Parise, to me anyways, is a battler and a kid who won't accept losing. You have another one already in Tavares who is like that as well. The newer players could change that culture around.

If Parise could lock in, and money wasn't really the issue, it could be a huge move for turning this ship into the right direction because you already have a guy who has said previously he wanted to play there. I guess, to me, thats the difference.

On another note, I don't see Suter in the Isles future.
- Lohaus

Andrew Mcdonald, solid? What games have you been watching? He had a good first year and was pretty terrible last year. What could Snow be doing? Alot, fire Capuano, get a real coach, get some real veteran players who can actually play and mentor our prospects, get a real defense, get someone besides Martin who can actually hit, get players that are'nt scared to play along the boards, get some players who won't get their asses wooped up and down the ice like every player on this team minus Martin. If Snow cant't get players because they "say no" get a capable GM who can. Past GM's signed players, players who were sought after and mid tier players. Snow has proven he can't. His drafting CANNOT be said to be incredible yet and many think has been subpar in fact. Besides Taveras and Hamonic (I like Martin but guys like him are not that tough to come by)what drafting have we seen that could be called "great"(Taveras was of course a no brainer)? Don't assume you know my point of view when you don't, it shows how narrow minded YOU are!
- Cptmjl

My first law school final is tomorrow morning, so I have to wrap this up, but I'm sure TEH GRITZZZZ will make the Islanders a better team. You are the kind of fan who will complain about everything until they make the playoffs, then be thrilled. People point to Ken Hitchcock with the Blues, but people forget that the Blues were a good team, slumping, to begin with. Ken Hitchcock would not have put the Isles in the playoffs this year. Again, on defense, he's tried! Ehrhoff, Martin, Michalek, etc. He's also drafted a few solid guys on their way, so lets see. That's how small market teams build. And I get adding toughness, but it's not that big a deal. How will some fourth liner who is not on the ice at the time deter a big hit on Tavares? Considering the amount of concussions and huge hits this year, the deterrent that other teams apparently have isn't working so well. And great drafting? We won't know if it's great for another 10-20 years, but it looks great now. Cizikas and Poulin as 6th rounders? Hamonic as a 2nd rounder? The Islanders now have one of the deepest farm systems in the NHL, and not because they are drafting high up- it's because Snow has a knack for finding value where others miss it (late draft picks, Moulson, Parenteau, Grabner- even Streit to an extent. $4M a year for Streit? THAT WAS A STEAL). I've never said Snow is Bill Torrey's twin, but the constant Snow bashing is just moronic. Again, I've gotta run for now, but being realistic, there's not much Snow could be doing differently under the circumstances.

The realist in me says he won't become an Islander. I won't lie. He seems like a character kid though, that’s why I would expect Snow, or whoever in the Isles, to at least be listened to. I've heard talk from Parise he wants to be on a perennial contender. No offence, but that’d eliminate the Islanders from any talk which is why I made the comment of how he had wanted to be an Islander.

its tough though. When your team isn't playing well consistently because you cant get guys to sign on to a losing team, but you can't get better unless you have better players. Damned if you do and dammed if you don't. Only thing I do know is the Isles have left me scratching my head a couple times in the draft. That’s, if nothing else, is on the team and not just Snow. The scouts give him the information to go off of.
- Lohaus

Snow has left alot of people scratching their heads at the draft(of course besides ISLES2089). He fired Jankowski(head of scouting) who seemed to have been doing a good job so him depending on scouts exclusively seems to be a thing of the past for the Islanders? The little Chinese kid running up and down the aisles and Kevin Connely announcing the pick doesn't help with Snows credibility either.

My first law school final is tomorrow morning, so I have to wrap this up, but I'm sure TEH GRITZZZZ will make the Islanders a better team. You are the kind of fan who will complain about everything until they make the playoffs, then be thrilled. People point to Ken Hitchcock with the Blues, but people forget that the Blues were a good team, slumping, to begin with. Ken Hitchcock would not have put the Isles in the playoffs this year. Again, on defense, he's tried! Ehrhoff, Martin, Michalek, etc. He's also drafted a few solid guys on their way, so lets see. That's how small market teams build. And I get adding toughness, but it's not that big a deal. How will some fourth liner who is not on the ice at the time deter a big hit on Tavares? Considering the amount of concussions and huge hits this year, the deterrent that other teams apparently have isn't working so well. And great drafting? We won't know if it's great for another 10-20 years, but it looks great now. Cizikas and Poulin as 6th rounders? Hamonic as a 2nd rounder? The Islanders now have one of the deepest farm systems in the NHL, and not because they are drafting high up- it's because Snow has a knack for finding value where others miss it (late draft picks, Moulson, Parenteau, Grabner- even Streit to an extent. $4M a year for Streit? THAT WAS A STEAL). I've never said Snow is Bill Torrey's twin, but the constant Snow bashing is just moronic. Again, I've gotta run for now, but being realistic, there's not much Snow could be doing differently under the circumstances.
- isles10289

Hope you don't plan on becoming a defense attorney? Might want to go back to school for something else

My first law school final is tomorrow morning, so I have to wrap this up, but I'm sure TEH GRITZZZZ will make the Islanders a better team. You are the kind of fan who will complain about everything until they make the playoffs, then be thrilled. People point to Ken Hitchcock with the Blues, but people forget that the Blues were a good team, slumping, to begin with. Ken Hitchcock would not have put the Isles in the playoffs this year. Again, on defense, he's tried! Ehrhoff, Martin, Michalek, etc. He's also drafted a few solid guys on their way, so lets see. That's how small market teams build. And I get adding toughness, but it's not that big a deal. How will some fourth liner who is not on the ice at the time deter a big hit on Tavares? Considering the amount of concussions and huge hits this year, the deterrent that other teams apparently have isn't working so well. And great drafting? We won't know if it's great for another 10-20 years, but it looks great now. Cizikas and Poulin as 6th rounders? Hamonic as a 2nd rounder? The Islanders now have one of the deepest farm systems in the NHL, and not because they are drafting high up- it's because Snow has a knack for finding value where others miss it (late draft picks, Moulson, Parenteau, Grabner- even Streit to an extent. $4M a year for Streit? THAT WAS A STEAL). I've never said Snow is Bill Torrey's twin, but the constant Snow bashing is just moronic. Again, I've gotta run for now, but being realistic, there's not much Snow could be doing differently under the circumstances.
- isles10289

Poulin is unproven as well Cizikas, don't over value PROSPECTS, I love Hamonic but believe it or not GM's picking good players in the 2nd round is not unusual! . You avoided all of my questions (which is par for the course with you) while I answered every one of yours with a reasonable response. Your knowledge about the team and hockey in general is obviously very limited.

Brian

HF has Jaden Schwartz as the 8th best prospect, what the hell? Is he really that good?