LOL, well that is brutal if true. No idea if you are serious, because I am not up with my CBJ news. If you are not being faceious then that is bad!! A pro NHL tender show know his sh.t better than that haha.
- taleisyreXIII

http://aol.sportingnews.c...jackets-vancouver-canucks

I don't know how a professional hockey club doesn't realize what regulation size pads are.

I think this is exactly what is wrong with the suspension system Shanny has going. If you start suspending players based on the ACT rather than the RESULT I think you see a lot of change. By suspending on the result rather than the act tho, many players are getting away with things and feel like they can keep doing it. If that changes along with the idea that you can't suspend star players, then you will see change in the league. Whether it is Giroux, Crosby, Stamkos, Teows or Torres, the suspension should be the same based only on the act itself. I just can't subscribe to the notion of suspending based on whether or not there was an injury seeing as it obviously hasn't worked.
- vipeviper

They do not suspend on result any more then the act. Steckle on Sid, Cooke on Savard(I know its before the heavy crack down but still), Nystrom on Letang, Patches on Letang. Just to name a couple Pens related situations. It is league wide and its not exactly what u say there.

Agree 100%

It also encourages diving if you base it on result
- nhindian

During playoffs especially I would love to hear a solution to this. Look at the Smith situation in Phoenix: He obviously wasn't hurt yet Shaw got 3 games due to Smith being down so long. There has to be a way to deal with that, whether it involves the league attending practices and judging for themselves how hurt a player is or what.

I think this is exactly what is wrong with the suspension system Shanny has going. If you start suspending players based on the ACT rather than the RESULT I think you see a lot of change. By suspending on the result rather than the act tho, many players are getting away with things and feel like they can keep doing it. If that changes along with the idea that you can't suspend star players, then you will see change in the league. Whether it is Giroux, Crosby, Stamkos, Teows or Torres, the suspension should be the same based only on the act itself. I just can't subscribe to the notion of suspending based on whether or not there was an injury seeing as it obviously hasn't worked.
- vipeviper

I'm not disagreeing with you. But we all know that's the case, and I was just explaining why the suspensions are do different. That is a huge factor, even though it's wrong.

They do not suspend on result any more then the act. Steckle on Sid, Cooke on Savard(I know its before the heavy crack down but still), Nystrom on Letang, Patches on Letang. Just to name a couple Pens related situations. It is league wide and its not exactly what u say there.
- taleisyreXIII

They absolutely do suspend more on result than act. You're telling me Shaw would have gotten 3 games had Smith jumped right up and gotten back in net? Or that Torres would have gotten 25 if Hossa had jumped up and started throwing punches rather than getting stretchered off?

Neal has been suspended before.

Those hits weren't even close to being the same.

Hossa left on a stretcher, Coots and/or Giroux were fine.

Not every hit has to come back to an incident involving a Penguin.
- canadianpenfan

Amen brother...the Flyer board has devolved into an in depth analysis of every hit laid by a Penguin with cries of SUSPENSION!!!!! It would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

I think this is exactly what is wrong with the suspension system Shanny has going. If you start suspending players based on the ACT rather than the RESULT I think you see a lot of change. By suspending on the result rather than the act tho, many players are getting away with things and feel like they can keep doing it. If that changes along with the idea that you can't suspend star players, then you will see change in the league. Whether it is Giroux, Crosby, Stamkos, Teows or Torres, the suspension should be the same based only on the act itself. I just can't subscribe to the notion of suspending based on whether or not there was an injury seeing as it obviously hasn't worked.
- vipeviper

Agreed. I posted largely the same thing a few days ago.

They absolutely do suspend more on result than act. You're telling me Shaw would have gotten 3 games had Smith jumped right up and gotten back in net? Or that Torres would have gotten 25 if Hossa had jumped up and started throwing punches rather than getting stretchered off?
- vipeviper

Smith was not hurt for the record haha. I will admit they may add a lil if the result is an injury, but they seem to miss as many as they get right. This leads me to believe that they don't really have a good grasp on things. Example: Keith on Sedin!! That was worth 20, but didnt happen despite your all important injury.

They absolutely do suspend more on result than act. You're telling me Shaw would have gotten 3 games had Smith jumped right up and gotten back in net? Or that Torres would have gotten 25 if Hossa had jumped up and started throwing punches rather than getting stretchered off?
- vipeviper

Also Miller DIDNT jump up and finish after Lucic ploughed him over. You can do this on every single situation in the league. They have as much a clue as u and I do about all this. They need a standardized suspension pyramid or something.

Smith was not hurt for the record haha. I will admit they may add a lil if the result is an injury, but they seem to miss as many as they get right. This leads me to believe that they don't really have a good grasp on things. Example: Keith on Sedin!! That was worth 20, but didnt happen despite your all important injury.
- taleisyreXIII

But that is the other part of what I was saying. Keith isn't Torres. Keith is a star player. If Torres threw that elbow he is getting 20 games due to the injury and his status as a star. It won't work if they only change one part of it. They have to be willing to suspend star players as well.

But that is the other part of what I was saying. Keith isn't Torres. Keith is a star player. If Torres threw that elbow he is getting 20 games due to the injury and his status as a star. It won't work if they only change one part of it. They have to be willing to suspend star players as well.
- vipeviper

Is Lucic a star, or Miller....Is Sedin a bigger star than Keith? I just think its all over the place and one cannot sit there and speculate on how the NHL deals suspensions, when it appears that even they do not know!!

Also Miller DIDNT jump up and finish after Lucic ploughed him over. You can do this on every single situation in the league. They have as much a clue as u and I do about all this. They need a standardized suspension pyramid or something.
- taleisyreXIII

Miller did get up and went over to confront Lucic as he was being taken to the bench. I believe he even finished that period?

But that is the other part of what I was saying. Keith isn't Torres. Keith is a star player. If Torres threw that elbow he is getting 20 games due to the injury and his status as a star. It won't work if they only change one part of it. They have to be willing to suspend star players as well.
- vipeviper

Torres gets the 25 because he has DONE IT OVER AND OVER more than the injury!! Keith hasnt done this over and over before....that to me is the only difference...the injuries are the same!! So the league doesnt really increase it because of the injury so much!!

Miller did get up and went over to confront Lucic as he was being taken to the bench. I believe he even finished that period?
- vipeviper

Didnt finish the game I think, was out for many games with a concussion!! This is a redic argument!!

Effing rain...my grass is geting so long I'm going to find lions hunting gazelles in there when I go to mow it...

Torres gets the 25 because he has DONE IT OVER AND OVER more than the injury!! Keith hasnt done this over and over before....that to me is the only difference...the injuries are the same!! So the league doesnt really increase it because of the injury so much!!
- taleisyreXIII

You really think Torres gets 25 if Hossa played the next game? Why do you think Torres asked for his hearing to be moved to Friday, AFTER the next game? It was so that if Hossa dressed his suspension would be looked at differently!

Honestly vipeviper, I am not sure what your whole point is. Is it sour grapes? Are you worried your team might yet lose to the Pens? It could happen, teams are fairly equal all things considered. But griping about suspensions and penalties is baffling to me. If you really honestly believe that the Flyers are getting the short end of the stick in the series(or in general) when it comes to officiating, then I will say BAHAHAHAHA to you sir. I have watched many games this year, all 82 pens games in the reg season and about another 40 non pens games. Many with the Flyers, Caps, Rangers, Leafs. Ill tell you right now, your boys can do no wrong sometimes, despite still having the most penalties in the league. The Winter Classic was a joke!! As for this series, I will kindly remind you of the OFFSIDE that cost us a whole game. Not to mention the myriad of other very questionable situations(many in the 3rd last night!!). If you wanna gripe with your bretheren on the Philly board, go for it. But I see no use for your whinning over here!

You really think Torres gets 25 if Hossa played the next game? Why do you think Torres asked for his hearing to be moved to Friday, AFTER the next game? It was so that if Hossa dressed his suspension would be looked at differently!
- vipeviper

Honestly vipeviper, I am not sure what your whole point is. Is it sour grapes? Are you worried your team might yet lose to the Pens? It could happen, teams are fairly equal all things considered. But griping about suspensions and penalties is baffling to me. If you really honestly believe that the Flyers are getting the short end of the stick in the series(or in general) when it comes to officiating, then I will say BAHAHAHAHA to you sir. I have watched many games this year, all 82 pens games in the reg season and about another 40 non pens games. Many with the Flyers, Caps, Rangers, Leafs. Ill tell you right now, your boys can do no wrong sometimes, despite still having the most penalties in the league. The Winter Classic was a joke!! As for this series, I will kindly remind you of the OFFSIDE that cost us a whole game. Not to mention the myriad of other very questionable situations(many in the 3rd last night!!). If you wanna gripe with your bretheren on the Philly board, go for it. But I see no use for your whinning over here!
- taleisyreXIII

I don't think he's whining about the Flyers getting the short end of the stick.

Honestly vipeviper, I am not sure what your whole point is. Is it sour grapes? Are you worried your team might yet lose to the Pens? It could happen, teams are fairly equal all things considered. But griping about suspensions and penalties is baffling to me. If you really honestly believe that the Flyers are getting the short end of the stick in the series(or in general) when it comes to officiating, then I will say BAHAHAHAHA to you sir. I have watched many games this year, all 82 pens games in the reg season and about another 40 non pens games. Many with the Flyers, Caps, Rangers, Leafs. Ill tell you right now, your boys can do no wrong sometimes, despite still having the most penalties in the league. The Winter Classic was a joke!! As for this series, I will kindly remind you of the OFFSIDE that cost us a whole game. Not to mention the myriad of other very questionable situations(many in the 3rd last night!!). If you wanna gripe with your bretheren on the Philly board, go for it. But I see no use for your whinning over here!
- taleisyreXIII

Wow dude. You've obviously got something else entirely going on in your head. I have said nothing that has even a little bit to do with ANYTHING you just said. You have found a way to troll on your own team's forum. Nothing I have said was whining. I cam on here and was holding some intelligent conversation with some of your fellow Pens fans until you came in with a loose screw. Fact of the matter is that the way suspensions are doled out in the NHL are completely mishandled and something needs to change for the sake of the game. That and that alone is what I was discussing with other fans.

And congratulations on all of the games you have watched in your obviously long career. Your hockey knowledge from watching games is outstanding.

EDIT: And if you honestly think a missed offsides call when you were up 3-0 is the SOLE reason you lost game 1 then you have showcased exactly how LITTLE you know about the game.

You really think Torres gets 25 if Hossa played the next game? Why do you think Torres asked for his hearing to be moved to Friday, AFTER the next game? It was so that if Hossa dressed his suspension would be looked at differently!
- vipeviper

I feel Torres should have been given 20 at least no matter what happened to Hossa. I feel he should have been given 20 last year when he smoked Seabrooke. He didnt last year. He didnt on his first hit this year. He didnt on his second hit this year. But he did on the third one! I think inspite of the seerious injury, he was getting at least 15-20. They may have tacked on 5 for the injury. Cooke got 17 for his hit last year. I dont think Mcdonaugh(spelling) was out long or at all?

My head hurts after reading this page.

Wow dude. You've obviously got something else entirely going on in your head. I have said nothing that has even a little bit to do with ANYTHING you just said. You have found a way to troll on your own team's forum. Nothing I have said was whining. I cam on here and was holding some intelligent conversation with some of your fellow Pens fans until you came in with a loose screw. Fact of the matter is that the way suspensions are doled out in the NHL are completely mishandled and something needs to change for the sake of the game. That and that alone is what I was discussing with other fans.

And congratulations on all of the games you have watched in your obviously long career. Your hockey knowledge from watching games is outstanding.
- vipeviper

Not so sure i insulted you like you just did to me. Nice for you to go below the belt first, now I can say typical Flyers fan and feel good about it haha.

Wow dude. You've obviously got something else entirely going on in your head. I have said nothing that has even a little bit to do with ANYTHING you just said. You have found a way to troll on your own team's forum. Nothing I have said was whining. I cam on here and was holding some intelligent conversation with some of your fellow Pens fans until you came in with a loose screw. Fact of the matter is that the way suspensions are doled out in the NHL are completely mishandled and something needs to change for the sake of the game. That and that alone is what I was discussing with other fans.

And congratulations on all of the games you have watched in your obviously long career. Your hockey knowledge from watching games is outstanding.

EDIT: And if you honestly think a missed offsides call when you were up 3-0 is the SOLE reason you lost game 1 then you have showcased exactly how LITTLE you know about the game.
- vipeviper

I do think it cost us the game!! And most ppl would agree. I do not feel your team gains any momentum as a result of going into the third period down 3-0. I feel that as the first game of the series keeping the momentum for two straight periods and not letting up a goal gains the pens even that much more of an advantage. As a result it could be argued the flyers may not even have scored the two they did in the third.

Not so sure i insulted you like you just did to me. Nice for you to go below the belt first, now I can say typical Flyers fan and feel good about it haha.
- taleisyreXIII

I'm out. I have better thigns to do than argue with you. I am open to good dialogue but have no time for Trolls. I came over to HB from ESPN hoping the people would be a little more mature but you have shown that my assumption was WAY off base. You're turning what was a good calm conversation about how to improve the best sport around into a Richard measuring contest. Trust me, you're not going to find allies even among your fellow Pens fans if you consistently do this on forums.