Getzlaf, Perry, MacDonald, Giguere, Pahlsson, Kunitz, Penner, Moen, Rob Niedermayer...

Yeah, I'd say Murray did his fair share and definitely the better candidate to rebuild a team.
- Unholy_Goalie

Didn't say that he didn't strongly contribute but who knows if Murray would have finished the job. My guess is he would have stuck by his Federov signing, thus struggling to find cap room to pick up the other pieces that clearly got them over the hump.

This is an old argument.....and believe me, I don't have the Burke pompoms out right now.

Stopped reading right about here.


- Unholy_Goalie

They wouldn't, you'll see when they trade him during the offseason, then they find out Schneider doesn't have the endurance to last a whole season. If they trade Luongo, the Canucks will not make the playoffs next year.

Luongo would bring two positives to the Leafs. One, he's a huge improvement over who they have now and two, his cap hit is manageable.

The rest of the story however, isn't so joyful. His contract lasts for far too long, he's 33, he has a NTC, he would still cost a lot to acquire and his playoff resume isn't so great despite being behind one of the best teams in the league.

It's clear that he would be an improvement, as you can see his numbers when he played for piss poor Florida, but the negatives outweigh the positives. Acquiring Luongo would be a desperation move from Burke to once again abandon the future and save his own ass.
- Unholy_Goalie

And keep Allaire in the fold while saving face....Allaire would be the trump card in getting Lou to approve a Leafs trade

Luongo is top 5, period.
- ThePresident

Luongo is barely top 10 anymore. 12 goalies had a better save percentage this year and 13 with a better GAA.

Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne, Kiprusoff, Thomas; that's closer to the top 5.

Didn't say that he didn't strongly contribute but who knows if Murray would have finished the job.
- Domidives

The comment wasn't about finishing the job. It was about rebuilding and between the two, Murray is the guy better suited for that job.

If they trade Luongo, the Canucks will not make the playoffs next year.
- ThePresident

Okay.

And keep Allaire in the fold while saving face....Allaire would be the trump card in getting Lou to approve a Leafs trade
- JIMI-JAMES

Sorry, just can't see Luongo putting all his chips in because of a goalie coach when so many other things are uncertain.

The Leafs should be more concerned with finding the NEXT top 10 goalie rather than trying to acquire one who is fading out of the picture. This is why the Leafs can never seem to get ahead. They're focus is always on who is good right now instead of who will be good tomorrow.
- Unholy_Goalie

Worked out real well with Raycroft, Toskala, Gustavvson, and Reimer. I don't know about you but experimenting for the last 7 years is not something I'd like to continue. A proven goaltender is the starting point.

And keep Allaire in the fold while saving face....Allaire would be the trump card in getting Lou to approve a Leafs trade
- JIMI-JAMES

There are a lot more factors at play than who the goaltending coach is. Do you really think Luongo wants to deal with the media BS all over again? If he has to choose somewhere to go, he's going to go somewhere that appreciates him or at worst is quiet enough that it doesn't matter whether he succeeds or not. Tampa Bay or Columbus is more up his alley than the circus that is Toronto.

Luongo is barely top 10 anymore. 12 goalies had a better save percentage this year and 13 with a better GAA.

Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne, Kiprusoff, Thomas; that's closer to the top 5.
- Unholy_Goalie

Luongo is a better goalie skill wise, the majority of the ones you mentioned or in the league outside of Lundqvist and Luongo are more a product of the team in front of them, or the defensive system.

Worked out real well with Raycroft, Toskala, Gustavvson, and Reimer. I don't know about you but experimenting for the last 7 years is not something I'd like to continue. A proven goaltender is the starting point.
- ThePresident

Raycroft cost us Rask whom we drafted. Toskala cost us a 1st round pick. Gustavsson was a worthless shot in the dark UFA and Reimer is a half decent prospect.

Notice a trend there? Our best goalies are the ones that we draft ourselves. It just kills the process when they get traded or aren't given enough time to develop.

A 33 year old goaltender is not a starting point. That's a shortcut to the playoffs.

Luongo is a better goalie skill wise
- ThePresident

Yeah, Luongo totally proved he had more skill than Thomas last year. Just like he proved he has more skill than Quick this year. Or Rinne.

Raycroft cost us Rask whom we drafted. Toskala cost us a 1st round pick. Gustavsson was a worthless shot in the dark UFA and Reimer is a half decent prospect.

Notice a trend there? Our best goalies are the ones that we draft ourselves. It just kills the process when they get traded or aren't given enough time to develop.

A 33 year old goaltender is not a starting point. That's a shortcut to the playoffs.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well it certainly worked withj Cujo and Belfour.

Well it certainly worked withj Cujo and Belfour.
- ThePresident

They won more Cups than we have fingers. And stayed just as long too.

Raycroft cost us Rask whom we drafted. Toskala cost us a 1st round pick. Gustavsson was a worthless shot in the dark UFA and Reimer is a half decent prospect.

Notice a trend there? Our best goalies are the ones that we draft ourselves. It just kills the process when they get traded or aren't given enough time to develop.

A 33 year old goaltender is not a starting point. That's a shortcut to the playoffs.
- Unholy_Goalie

The only goalie we drafted that turned out actually good is Rask, and we are yet to see if he has the endurance to be a starter. Who else Potvin, a mediocre goalie, Pogge? Reimer? Centomo? Gustavvson(signing), Ford? You're dreaming if you think the Leafs have a stellar record of drafting goalies. Luongo will have a better career then any of those mentioned, even for the next 7 years.

They won more Cups than we have fingers. And stayed just as long too.
- Unholy_Goalie

They gave us the best chance we've had to make the playoffs and actually have a chance at the Cup then any prospect we've had or bandaid goalie we've had since. It's best to acquire a proven goalie.

Yeah, Luongo totally proved he had more skill than Thomas last year. Just like he proved he has more skill than Quick this year. Or Rinne.


- Unholy_Goalie

Not so much the goaltending as the much as it is the team in front of him, he can only do so much. Fact of the matter is, Boston and the Kings are better teams then the Canucks overall.

Please remeber where this speculation/discussion originates. Berger. Is he really qualified to be a Leaf insider?
- bloatedmosquito

Nope, Shannon on Prime Time Live mentioned it a few weeks ago

The only goalie we drafted that turned out actually good is Rask, and we are yet to see if he has the endurance to be a starter. Who else Potvin, a mediocre goalie, Pogge? Reimer? Centomo? Gustavvson(signing), Ford? You're dreaming if you think the Leafs have a stellar record of drafting goalies. Luongo will have a better career then any of those mentioned, even for the next 7 years.
- ThePresident

The Leafs would have a better record of drafting and developing goalies if they gave it a try for once rather than cutting corners and signing the next veteran that crosses their path.

They gave us the best chance we've had to make the playoffs and actually have a chance at the Cup then any prospect we've had or bandaid goalie we've had since. It's best to acquire a proven goalie.
- ThePresident

They also lasted how long? And won what?

If you want to cut corners, make the playoffs and get beat, Luongo is the guy. If you want to take the time it takes to draft and develop a goalie that lasts 10 years like New York did with Lundqvist, or Nashville did with Rinne or LA did with Quick, pass on Luongo.

The only goalie we drafted that turned out actually good is Rask, and we are yet to see if he has the endurance to be a starter. Who else Potvin, a mediocre goalie, Pogge? Reimer? Centomo? Gustavvson(signing), Ford? You're dreaming if you think the Leafs have a stellar record of drafting goalies. Luongo will have a better career then any of those mentioned, even for the next 7 years.
- ThePresident

Felix!!

Luongo would bring two positives to the Leafs. One, he's a huge improvement over who they have now and two, his cap hit is manageable.

The rest of the story however, isn't so joyful. His contract lasts for far too long, he's 33, he has a NTC, he would still cost a lot to acquire and his playoff resume isn't so great despite being behind one of the best teams in the league.

It's clear that he would be an improvement, as you can see his numbers when he played for piss poor Florida, but the negatives outweigh the positives. Acquiring Luongo would be a desperation move from Burke to once again abandon the future and save his own ass.
- Unholy_Goalie

Defensively...I think Luongo has covered up MANY of their issues. When he got to Vancouver; they made the playoffs. If/when Vancouver trades him, I think they're going to realize just how good he was and how they took it for granted.

I say this knowing full well Schenider is "supposed" to be good and could turn out as a solid #1. He sure looks to be right now.

But yes, his contract term and NTC is a big mistake. But I wouldn't put it past Burke to do it...he's ready to force himself into the playoffs it seems.

The Leafs should be more concerned with finding the NEXT top 10 goalie rather than trying to acquire one who is fading out of the picture. This is why the Leafs can never seem to get ahead. They're focus is always on who is good right now instead of who will be good tomorrow.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes but can't they do both?

Not so much the goaltending as the much as it is the team in front of him, he can only do so much. Fact of the matter is, Boston and the Kings are better teams then the Canucks overall.
- ThePresident

Your argument doesn't make any sense. You do know that the Canucks have won the Presidents trophy two years in a row right? So if you're saying it's the team and not the goalie, then guess what, Luongo is at the top of that list.

Yes but can't they do both?
- The Law

Not if they have a guy who has the net for the next 10 years. Nor can they do it if they trade assets just to acquire him.