Well like reflex and I have been saying all year, finally the team has come to the same conclusion. Luongo blows.

Of course other teams fans think that
- annoyance_101

You guys are the new San Jose Sharks.

I don't see Schneider being a worse option than Luongo at this point. And there's a decent chance he'll be better. Trade Lou.

and fire Vingeault for F sakes.

I don't see Schneider being a worse option than Luongo at this point. And there's a decent chance he'll be better. Trade Lou.

and fire Vingeault for F sakes.
- Morris

5 division titles, two Presidents trophies and game 7 of the Finals.

Fire the coach!

5 division titles, two Presidents trophies and game 7 of the Finals.

Fire the coach!
- bureforearthsprez

In all fairness 5 division titles means very little considering the division. However I do agree with the rest. Only reason you fire AV is if he has lost the room.

5 division titles, two Presidents trophies and game 7 of the Finals.

Fire the coach!
- bureforearthsprez

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Unless these are end goals.

You guys are the new San Jose Sharks.
- Drij

When have the Sharks won the presidents trophy 2 years running and made it to the 7th game of the cup? Please tell everyone cause i'm sure they'd love to know where you got the comparison

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Unless these are end goals.
- Morris

You're the f%&king best.

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Unless these are end goals.
- Morris

Do you REALLY think AV was solely responsible for them losing game 7? AV's not the problem, in fact putting schneider in goal this year showed how much he learned from last year

Do you REALLY think AV was solely responsible for them losing game 7? AV's not the problem, in fact putting schneider in goal this year showed how much he learned from last year
- annoyance_101

No, I don't think he was solely responsible. I think he is a component in their inability to win the cup.

Do you REALLY think AV was solely responsible for them losing game 7? AV's not the problem, in fact putting schneider in goal this year showed how much he learned from last year
- annoyance_101

i think last year he was a big part of their demise

he let all the diving go on, and in the end it became such a side show it just added some much uneeded drama . Not to mention you can only poke a ref soo many times untill he pokes back

i dont know how you fix the canucks, if i did id be a millionaire but i think they need more size, grit and an attitude to just play hockey and forget about the extra bs

When have the Sharks won the presidents trophy 2 years running and made it to the 7th game of the cup? Please tell everyone cause i'm sure they'd love to know where you got the comparison
- annoyance_101

Both are good teams that choke in the playoffs every year.
Sharks window is closed, canucks window is closing fast.

When have the Sharks won the presidents trophy 2 years running and made it to the 7th game of the cup? Please tell everyone cause i'm sure they'd love to know where you got the comparison
- annoyance_101

I think the comparison was how much we suck in the playoffs. Backing your team up with regular season stats is very Shark fan-esque

Both are good teams that choke in the playoffs every year.
Sharks window is closed, canucks window is closing fast.
- Drij

So nothing about the presidents trophy winning sharks? I'm shocked...

I think the comparison was how much we suck in the playoffs. Backing your team up with regular season stats is very Shark fan-esque
- FinAddict

When have the Sharks won the presidents trophy 2 years running? Not many teams have done that, whens the last time the Sharks have gone to the 7th game of the finals? (Hint: that isn't a regular season stat)

Schneider EASILY. I think he's better, PLUS he doesn't have a sh1t contract.

So nothing about the presidents trophy winning sharks? I'm shocked...
- annoyance_101

Are you trying to prove that the nucks choke harder than the sharks?

No, I don't think he was solely responsible. I think he is a component in their inability to win the cup.
- Morris

I think the fact that they haven't won yet is wildly overblown. 1 in 16 teams gets to win it every year. That's less than 7% if everyone's on an even playing field which in this day and age, they almost are. It's the hardest trophy to win in sports and the fact that they took it to within one game of winning is a testament of their ability and his ability, and not the opposite. Hell just look at the quality of teams ALREADY bounced from this year's playoffs. Is there some fatal flaw in every team? God no. It's just THAT hard. You do not give nearly enough respect to the process IMO.

I think the fact that they haven't won yet is wildly overblown. 1 in 16 teams gets to win it every year. That's less than 7% if everyone's on an even playing field which in this day and age, they almost are. It's the hardest trophy to win in sports and the fact that they took it to within one game of winning is a testament of their ability and his ability, and not the opposite. Hell just look at the quality of teams ALREADY bounced from this year's playoffs. Is there some fatal flaw in every team? God no. It's just THAT hard. You do not give nearly enough respect to the process IMO.
- bureforearthsprez

this

When have the Sharks won the presidents trophy 2 years running? Not many teams have done that, whens the last time the Sharks have gone to the 7th game of the finals? (Hint: that isn't a regular season stat)
- annoyance_101

So the canucks have had more success then the sharks, but they they are still treading along the same path.

So the canucks have had more success then the sharks, but they they are still treading along the same path.
- Drij

No, they arent, Sharks have never made it as far as the Canucks have, ever, its a dumb comparison...if they had done similar things in the regular season and playoffs, then I'd probably agree, but San Jose has never won back to back presidents trophy and gone to the 7th game of the finals...

I think the fact that they haven't won yet is wildly overblown. 1 in 16 teams gets to win it every year. That's less than 7% if everyone's on an even playing field which in this day and age, they almost are. It's the hardest trophy to win in sports and the fact that they took it to within one game of winning is a testament of their ability and his ability, and not the opposite. Hell just look at the quality of teams ALREADY bounced from this year's playoffs. Is there some fatal flaw in every team? God no. It's just THAT hard. You do not give nearly enough respect to the process IMO.
- bureforearthsprez

There's an Esplen blog with some of your Canuck compatriots asking for the same thing.

I don't know that he's lost the room, but there's a couple tangible things that seem to be happening over and over:

A) Diving, cheeky stuff, whining and complaining. I don't think it helps your team but he's been unwilling or unable to stop it.
B) Having laugher performances or blowout losses in absolutely key games. It's beneath the talent of the team.
C) Benching or underutilizing players: many complaints about how they handled Ballard last year, Hodgson this year, and the Schneider/Luongo thing has come to a head in the worst possible way.

He may still be the guy, but it's not like there's no good reason to fire him. Coach success is not a pure function of team performance, it's about a team trying to actualize their goals and being mysteriously unable to in ways that don't seem to have much to do with how talented their players are.

There's an Esplen blog with some of your Canuck compatriots asking for the same thing.

I don't know that he's lost the room, but there's a couple tangible things that seem to be happening over and over:

A) Diving, cheeky stuff, whining and complaining. I don't think it helps your team but he's been unwilling or unable to stop it.
B) Having laugher performances or blowout losses in absolutely key games. It's beneath the talent of the team.
C) Benching or underutilizing players: many complaints about how they handled Ballard last year, Hodgson this year, and the Schneider/Luongo thing has come to a head in the worst possible way.

He may still be the guy, but it's not like there's no good reason to fire him. Coach success is not a pure function of team performance, it's about a team trying to actualize their goals and being mysteriously unable to in ways that don't seem to have much to do with how talented their players are.
- Morris

Good post.



However there is a lot of tangelable reasons to keep him. Back to back presidents trophys, Jack Adams etc.

If I was gillis I would consult with some of the leaders on the team like the sedins kesler or salo and ask how they feel.

That being said.....I think we need a shakeup.

There's an Esplen blog with some of your Canuck compatriots asking for the same thing.

I don't know that he's lost the room, but there's a couple tangible things that seem to be happening over and over:

A) Diving, cheeky stuff, whining and complaining. I don't think it helps your team but he's been unwilling or unable to stop it.
B) Having laugher performances or blowout losses in absolutely key games. It's beneath the talent of the team.
C) Benching or underutilizing players: many complaints about how they handled Ballard last year, Hodgson this year, and the Schneider/Luongo thing has come to a head in the worst possible way.

He may still be the guy, but it's not like there's no good reason to fire him. Coach success is not a pure function of team performance, it's about a team trying to actualize their goals and being mysteriously unable to in ways that don't seem to have much to do with how talented their players are.
- Morris

I definitely appreciate your points. They're valid to a degree. The diving and chirping was unacceptable at the start of the series but was pretty much stamped out by the end.

I have no problem in how he utilizes players. Ballard is a risk taker, it's obvious he doesn't play the Canucks system well and the entire team has bought in. He creates his own problems. Hodgson's icetime was also fair despite Canuck fan complaints. Not because he didn't deserve more, but he's behind an Art Ross, Hart and Selke trophy. That's just the way it is.

You also have to look at who would be better. Is there a coach out there who is better than AV at this point? So significantly better that you take a chance changing the two? I'm not sure there is.

To me this was not a coaching failure. To me this was part personelle failure and part just plain being beat. A very bad matchup against a very underrated LA Kings.

Do you REALLY think AV was solely responsible for them losing game 7? AV's not the problem, in fact putting schneider in goal this year showed how much he learned from last year
- annoyance_101

And if he put him in net for game 7 your organization might actually have its first cup by now