Just arrived at the road job I'm working today, no time to back read. What did Kronwall get 10 games?

looks like he may have actually cleaned his game up. now he literally just stands and turns his back into people. look at this hit on hemsky. hemsky is supplying all of the momentum. no idea how kronwall is that strong that he can just stand there and not even budge.

also, notice the turtle job he does lol.
- OrangeBlack27

I'm not gonna look for it but he threw a similar hit on a Canuck player this season. Completely spun his body around and basically hit the guy with his back. While far from "textbook" in that case it's also not illegal.

sure, a little overstated. but huge difference between that and the launching into people he used to do.
- OrangeBlack27

Launching like leaving his feet? I'm not familiar with all of Kronwall's hits...

Has he ever been suspended?

body-on-body hit. not a straight shoulder to the head. there's a big difference between that hit last night and say the cook hit on savard.
- OrangeBlack27

Clean solid hit...Voracek isn't playing timbit hockey anymore, this is the big leagues and you gotta keep your head up or else you're gonna be laying flat on the ice

Just arrived at the road job I'm working today, no time to back read. What did Kronwall get 10 games?
- PLindbergh31

He has to play in Russia now...

And he's not allowed to drink any Vodka...

And he's only allowed to talk to women with hairy lips and sideburns...

I'm most annoyed by Kronwall's reluctance to drop the gloves. I don't respect a player just because he knows how to get in a position to lay a big hit. Any idiot on skates can do that. If he's willing to lay those hits and then answer the bell afterwards, I could respect the guy a bit more. But the way he turtles or refuses to drop gloves (against Schenn of all people). It's pathetic, really.

I'm not sure about that. I didn't like the Paciorety hit on Letang. I think that deserved 3 games. Last night's didn't. It's a real tough job, but I think they've got it right more than wrong this season. The real problem lies with the general respect level of the players. Heck, Cooke seems to have finally got the message this season. So the suspensions might have worked in his case.
- rockychocbill

I think it also goes back to the fact that the "armor" these guys wear under their jerseys makes them feel invincible. If they had padding that protected against sticks and pucks, but doesn't double as a weapon, the respect factor in the league would go up.

Clean solid hit...Voracek isn't playing timbit hockey anymore, this is the big leagues and you gotta keep your head up or else you're gonna be laying flat on the ice
- keatondixon

Then the NHL has been lying to us by saying they want to remove headshots.

I don't mind Kronwall not getting suspended, but I do mind the inconsistency in what is deserving of a suspension and what is not. Voracek needs to be aware and big hits are a part of hockey, but it's getting really frustrating trying I figure out what is and isn't allowed.

He has to play in Russia now...

And he's not allowed to drink any Vodka...

And he's only allowed to talk to women with hairy lips and sideburns...
- wolfhounds

So no suspension as logic would dictate.

So no suspension as logic would dictate.
- PLindbergh31

Let Rinaldo lay that hit then let's talk 'logic'.

I'm most annoyed by Kronwall's reluctance to drop the gloves. I don't respect a player just because he knows how to get in a position to lay a big hit. Any idiot on skates can do that. If he's willing to lay those hits and then answer the bell afterwards, I could respect the guy a bit more. But the way he turtles or refuses to drop gloves (against Schenn of all people). It's pathetic, really.
- steelydan

If any idiot on skates can lay a big hit, someone on the Flyers should have destroyed Zetterberg, or Franzen with a monster hit.

Kronwall doesn't fight it's not his game, sure it's kinda chickenpoop to not answer for your actions, but his actions weren't dirty, he laid a huge clean hard check on a player that put himself in a prone position, nothing more, nothing less.

I think it also goes back to the fact that the "armor" these guys wear under their jerseys makes them feel invincible. If they had padding that protected against sticks and pucks, but doesn't double as a weapon, the respect factor in the league would go up.
- Lexington Flyer

The hard outer plastic on the elbow and shoulder pads was banned a few seasons ago. It's not really the equipment imo, unless you go back to playing without helmets. You're not thinking about what equipment you're wearing when you're playing. Kronwall would probably do the same thing if he was wearing his Pee Wee pads.

Let Rinaldo lay that hit then let's talk 'logic'.
- wolfhounds

Ahhh... Conspiracy. Shanahan was the second gunmen on the grassy knoll.

I had a much bigger issue with Vlasic not being suspended for boarding Briere. Textbook case, that was puzzling to me.

We can be sure that hits will continually be graded inconsistently.
- bradleyc4

you said it sister

Then the NHL has been lying to us by saying they want to remove headshots.
- wolfhounds

Headshot? Maybe you should go watch the replay a couple more times ...

I'm flabbergasted there is no suspension for Kronwall. I give up. I thought it was a textbook example of a hit the NHL is trying to eliminate. I guess I have no clue what the rule is anymore. Very frustrating.
- MJL

Might be late on this but was there any explanation to why there is no suspension?

If any idiot on skates can lay a big hit, someone on the Flyers should have destroyed Zetterberg, or Franzen with a monster hit.

Kronwall doesn't fight it's not his game, sure it's kinda chickenpoop to not answer for your actions, but his actions weren't dirty, he laid a huge clean hard check on a player that put himself in a prone position, nothing more, nothing less.
- PLindbergh31

It's actually very hard to do because the game is so fast and guys have learned to spin away and dodge hits. Once in a while the stars align themselves like last night and a guy ends up seeing them.

I'm not sure about that. I didn't like the Paciorety hit on Letang. I think that deserved 3 games. Last night's didn't. It's a real tough job, but I think they've got it right more than wrong this season. The real problem lies with the general respect level of the players. Heck, Cooke seems to have finally got the message this season. So the suspensions might have worked in his case.
- rockychocbill

I didn't see the hit on Letang. Obviously there are always going to be contextual differences, which is why the stuff is so hard to pin down. But they have to draw a line when it is not a blind side hit, elbows are down, guy has the puck. Is contact to the head legal or not. Sometimes it can't be avoided if you decide to throw the hit. So does a guy have to back off then if the offensive guy is leading with his head, as Jake kinda was last night? Or can he be legally lit up like Jake was. They just need to be consistent one way or the other...of course the NHL's disciplinary arm has only been consistent in its inconsistency for as long as I can remember.

Launching like leaving his feet? I'm not familiar with all of Kronwall's hits...

Has he ever been suspended?
- wolfhounds

He has never been suspended to my knowledge. But he seems to have cleaned up his hits since this time (jak posted this earlier. way to go, thumbsy!):



Just looked at the hit he threw on Havlat in the playoffs a few years ago. Pretty sure he left his feet, even if only a little, to deliver the hit.

Loved Hatcher. If you pissed him off, you better go hide!
- wolfhounds

Why do the bruins need turco? Haven't been following them at all, but what's the point of he can't play in playoffs? Do they have goalie injuries?

Let Rinaldo lay that hit then let's talk 'logic'.
- wolfhounds

No question if that was Rinaldo, he would of been suspended. Maybe bc of his reputation but what makes Kronwalls any better? Dude constantly is laying people out and until someone does something about it this will continue. The hit is very questionable and could of gone either way, imo.

I don't mind Kronwall not getting suspended, but I do mind the inconsistency in what is deserving of a suspension and what is not. Voracek needs to be aware and big hits are a part of hockey, but it's getting really frustrating trying I figure out what is and isn't allowed.
- funmaster18

yup

It's actually very hard to do because the game is so fast and guys have learned to spin away and dodge hits. Once in a while the stars align themselves like last night and a guy ends up seeing them.
- rockychocbill

Kronwall does it like once a week though. He's very good at what he does. He really should answer the bell once in a while, though.

Plus, he's a hipster.